5 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

Thoughts on how Windsor has been going off half back? I've been concerned for many weeks with how he has been going down back, and there were several moments today that has led me to conclue he doesn't have the temperment to handle the pressure back there. I think for his sake, and for the betterment of the team, he needs to return to the wing or half forward where he proved to be a real weapon for us in his first

6 hours ago, Doug Reemer said:

It’s clear to me we have three massive problems to fill in the offseason.

High Performance Coach (Griffiths)

Skills Coach (Williams)

Forward Coach (Chaplin)

Football Operations (Richardson)

All 4 have to go. Hopefully the rumours are true and Bartel is coming to replace Richardson.

If thats the case, the club needs to throw the farm at Tom Hawkins to be the forwards coach.

We need to get a Fitness coach that can get us fit! And I’m not sure what Choco has done post 21 but it’s been two fifths of [censored] all.

A week is a long time in football. Lets Petty, Melk & Viney come back in at the expense of Jeffo, Fristch & Oliver.

I love Clarry, but he looks like he is towing a caravan.

Id be incline to use Melky as forward coach

Every week, I watch with frustration as Tracc bombs the ball forward. Over the years, you can count on one hand how many times he has short passed to a teammate who might be in a better position. That being said, he did one on Saturday. Have you seen this? To me, he's still following the old gameplan.

The umpiring in this match was nothing short of horrendous. I was genuinely gobsmacked to see the free kick count even on the final stat sheet. However it is always the free kicks that you don't get that kill you. That blatant non-call on the trip to Kozzy in the goal square was inexcusable. Wasn’t tripping once considered a reportable offence? Melbourne should be demanding a “please explain” from AFL House. Once again… FREE KICK HAWTHORN

It's looking like the drafting and now selection of Jefferson is a bust. He does not present as a physical forward and seriously lacks any of second efforts. He looks devoid of confidence and his form at Casey has not warranted a recall. Petty and/or Melksham should return to replace him.

Harvey Langford is an absolute star. If he continues along this trajectory he is a lock for the Rising Star award this year. Plays like a 10 year veteran. Stick him permanently in the midfield rotation.

54 minutes ago, damienjr said:

Every week, I watch with frustration as Tracc bombs the ball forward. Over the years, you can count on one hand how many times he has short passed to a teammate who might be in a better position. That being said, he did one on Saturday. Have you seen this? To me, he's still following the old gameplan.

Not just Trac,put in Viney and Clarrie

Once again our goal kicking and efficiency going inside 50 let us down and ultimately cost us the game. How we lost that game but 35 points when we could have and should have been 35 points up going into the last quarter is everything that is wrong with this football team. We obviously have the ability to match it with the best teams we just cannot execute to the point where we are dangerous and punishing to opposition teams.

Does Selwyn Griffth our fitness boss come under scrutiny now after yet another 4th quarter fade out?

Should a formal complaint be made to the AFL about the poor quality of umpiring in our match?

Lastly, how good is Harvey "The Bison" Langford?! The kid must be favourite now for the Rising Star Award? ❤️💙

11 hours ago, Doug Reemer said:

All 4 have to go. Hopefully the rumours are true and Bartel is coming to replace Richardson.

wasn't this a rumor a long time ago, haven't heard anything on it since

2 hours ago, jaydenh10 said:

wasn't this a rumor a long time ago, haven't heard anything on it since

I’ve got it on good authority, that it is very much happening.

Also hearing Ollie Lord to Melb from Port

Cant seem to leave a voicemail so ill jump on here.

Overall I thought it was a great effort from the boys, and always knew (from years of MFCSS) that our inaccuracy would come back to bite us. Such clearance and midfield domination but once again cant translate that into scores.

Just love the youth in this team, Langford, Lindsay and Windsor. If we can keep these 3 together and add them to McVee, Bowey, Kozzy(Hopefully) we will have some real talent in the coming years.

Once again faded out in the last quarter so we really need to start asking serious questions about fitness. But as I just mentioned we have quite a few youngsters in the backline so give them another preseason it will help with playing out the 4 Quarters. There really wasn't much resistance from the middle and it just kept coming in to the Defensive 50. Hawks had 20 of the last 24 Inside 50s which I cant see any defence coping with and once they got 3 goals up everyone knew the game was done. To lose by 35 when controlling so much of the day was also disappointing. Would we have won if we kicked straight? who knows but we should've been 4 goals up at half time and kept the scoreboard pressure on.

I haven't seen the pressure ratings of the game and look forward to Binmans deep dive into these stats, but felt we were all over them in the 2nd and 3rd.

I also wanted to do some research on our past forwards and current forwards. As I wanted to know where JVR and Fritch stand against our past forwards of Hogan and Weidemann. I was hoping to see JVR stand equal with where Hogan was at a similar point in his career. But unfortunately Hogan had a better tale that what JVR Does.

Hogan by his 3rd year was averaging around 2 goals per game. He'd played 50 games and kicked about 100 goals. He played 4 seasons for the dees averaging 2.1 goals per game. He went to Freo for 2 years but had medical issues and kicked 18 goals in 19 games. He then went to GWS and in his first 3 seasons there he played 50 games and kicked 104 goals. Then last year (Being his 10th year in the system) had a breakout year and kicked 77 goals and has kicked 18 this year averaging 3.1 goals per game.

Weidemann took 5 years to get to 49 games and kicked 49 Goals. So 1 goal per game and although providing some great memories in the 2018 finals didn't really do much and deserved to be traded.

Fritsch in his first 3 years played 61 games and kicked 59 goals. The next year he kicked 59 goals and averaged around 2 goals per game until this season where he has dropped back to 1 goal per game.

JVR has now played 46 games in his 3rd season after being held back in Casey for a season as well. He has kicked 62 goals, averaging 1.3 Goals per game. But in 2025 he's played 5 games and kicked 4 goals.

Not sure what all that means, but I really do feel JVR needs to get moving and start to get around the 2 goals per game this season, hone the craft, bulk up and get to that 3 goals per game that Hogan is producing. If he continues with his 1 or 2 a game he may find himself at Casey more often than not. Does he keep his spot this week - not if Petty is fit for a return I wouldn't think. Love him and want so much for him to succeed, but seems devoid of confidence. Haven't seen him fly at packs like he has in the past couple of seasons.

What this means is similar for Fritsch. If you cant kick multiple goals a game, lets get Petty and Disco up Forward and persist with that for a few weeks. Or keep Jeffy in and keep Disco back(as he is pretty clean off half back)

Look forward to the pod and 2 last things -

Free Kick Hawthorn

Bring back the trip

Is it time to get real with where the team is at? Everyone would agree tigers are in a full rebuild and yet they have managed to defeat suns, blues and wc. While most would say Dees don’t need to go down that path and we can rebuild on the fly and yet we have beaten tigers, wc and freo with a much more senior list, both teams have had bad losses in between but on balance the tigers have probably been the more impressive so far.

Should Dee’s be doing a massive cull this year like tigers did at the end of last season, at this stage it feels like we may as well fully commit as the results aren’t any better unless we think the team is going to immediately spike next year. By my reckoning we shouldn’t holding onto any more than half of the senior players in Viney, Gawn, trac, may, lever, Oliver, Pickett(only if he wants out), Langdon, tmac, fritsch and melksham. Obviously this will mean some favourites will be going and some with some years left but if tigers are anything to go by it’s for the best.

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3 hours ago, Rohstarrr said:

Cant seem to leave a voicemail so ill jump on here.

Overall I thought it was a great effort from the boys, and always knew (from years of MFCSS) that our inaccuracy would come back to bite us. Such clearance and midfield domination but once again cant translate that into scores.

Just love the youth in this team, Langford, Lindsay and Windsor. If we can keep these 3 together and add them to McVee, Bowey, Kozzy(Hopefully) we will have some real talent in the coming years.

Once again faded out in the last quarter so we really need to start asking serious questions about fitness. But as I just mentioned we have quite a few youngsters in the backline so give them another preseason it will help with playing out the 4 Quarters. There really wasn't much resistance from the middle and it just kept coming in to the Defensive 50. Hawks had 20 of the last 24 Inside 50s which I cant see any defence coping with and once they got 3 goals up everyone knew the game was done. To lose by 35 when controlling so much of the day was also disappointing. Would we have won if we kicked straight? who knows but we should've been 4 goals up at half time and kept the scoreboard pressure on.

I haven't seen the pressure ratings of the game and look forward to Binmans deep dive into these stats, but felt we were all over them in the 2nd and 3rd.

I also wanted to do some research on our past forwards and current forwards. As I wanted to know where JVR and Fritch stand against our past forwards of Hogan and Weidemann. I was hoping to see JVR stand equal with where Hogan was at a similar point in his career. But unfortunately Hogan had a better tale that what JVR Does.

Hogan by his 3rd year was averaging around 2 goals per game. He'd played 50 games and kicked about 100 goals. He played 4 seasons for the dees averaging 2.1 goals per game. He went to Freo for 2 years but had medical issues and kicked 18 goals in 19 games. He then went to GWS and in his first 3 seasons there he played 50 games and kicked 104 goals. Then last year (Being his 10th year in the system) had a breakout year and kicked 77 goals and has kicked 18 this year averaging 3.1 goals per game.

Weidemann took 5 years to get to 49 games and kicked 49 Goals. So 1 goal per game and although providing some great memories in the 2018 finals didn't really do much and deserved to be traded.

Fritsch in his first 3 years played 61 games and kicked 59 goals. The next year he kicked 59 goals and averaged around 2 goals per game until this season where he has dropped back to 1 goal per game.

JVR has now played 46 games in his 3rd season after being held back in Casey for a season as well. He has kicked 62 goals, averaging 1.3 Goals per game. But in 2025 he's played 5 games and kicked 4 goals.

Not sure what all that means, but I really do feel JVR needs to get moving and start to get around the 2 goals per game this season, hone the craft, bulk up and get to that 3 goals per game that Hogan is producing. If he continues with his 1 or 2 a game he may find himself at Casey more often than not. Does he keep his spot this week - not if Petty is fit for a return I wouldn't think. Love him and want so much for him to succeed, but seems devoid of confidence. Haven't seen him fly at packs like he has in the past couple of seasons.

What this means is similar for Fritsch. If you cant kick multiple goals a game, lets get Petty and Disco up Forward and persist with that for a few weeks. Or keep Jeffy in and keep Disco back(as he is pretty clean off half back)

Look forward to the pod and 2 last things -

Free Kick Hawthorn

Bring back the trip

Apologies. Skype is no more. It has moved on to Microsoft Teams and the number will work until I run out of credit but unfortunately there is no way to leave a voicemail any more.

Also apologies because I saw this late after putting together the questions and the run sheet.

Great points. Please ask some of them in the weeks to come. I'm sure these same issues will be present unfortunately.

On 10/05/2025 at 17:12, Vipercrunch said:

Thoughts on how Windsor has been going off half back? I've been concerned for many weeks with how he has been going down back, and there were several moments today that has led me to conclue he doesn't have the temperment to handle the pressure back there. I think for his sake, and for the betterment of the team, he needs to return to the wing or half forward where he proved to be a real weapon for us in his first year.

Agree we need his positivity and class in the forward and centre areas. We have half backs to burn but limited class and finish ING. M Ove him Goody please.

13 hours ago, smurf said:

It's looking like the drafting and now selection of Jefferson is a bust. He does not present as a physical forward and seriously lacks any of second efforts. He looks devoid of confidence and his form at Casey has not warranted a recall. Petty and/or Melksham should return to replace him.

Talk about writing a young player off in about 5 words, Yes he is devoid of confidence.

Disco should be in our forward line JVR needs a run in the backline and Petty up forward is probably the best option.

With Lever returning in a week or two I wonder if giving Adams a go is the right time.

Thoughts?

16 hours ago, Doug Reemer said:

I’ve got it on good authority, that it is very much happening.

Also hearing Ollie Lord to Melb from Port

I'm holding you to this Doug, them's some pretty tasty rumours if true.

Only about 30 minutes in, but George even more negative than Andy in this one.

3 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Only about 30 minutes in, but George even more negative than Andy in this one.

That's because I had just got over a migraine and didn't want to do or say anything that might make it return.

Once again, thanks for the podcast fellas. But please, after 4 years, can you pronounce Jacob van Rooyen's name the way he (and not the footy broadcasters) pronounce it. It's pronounced van roy en.

Also, Andy, it's Gerard Whateley, not Wheatly.

Just now, Palace Dees said:

Also, Andy, it's Gerard Whateley, not Wheatly.

I believe that I did spell it that way in my notes.

1 minute ago, Demonland said:

I believe that I did spell it that way in my notes.

Maybe so, but It's how it was pronounced in the broadcast is my point. 🙂

6 minutes ago, Palace Dees said:

Maybe so, but It's how it was pronounced in the broadcast is my point. 🙂

I was just getting him back for mispronouncing my surname when he interviewed me for Channel 10 news 29 years ago.