On 02/04/2025 at 12:55, Sesto said:

I won’t speak for everyone, but the thing that irritates me most about Goody is not his deadpan delivery, it’s his persistent use of corporate-style word salad. I find it intensely annoying,

Then why watch it?

  On 29/03/2025 at 11:33, Beetle said:

Listened to Greeny on the way in today being interviewed on 3AW. A tough listen in itself, despite the commendable job he’s done standing in as President.

When asked about Goodwin he replied with the standard rhetoric response “the players absolutely love Goody”.

That’s all great and everything, but im a little sick of hearing it after results like today. Maybe the playing group love Goody because he’s a little too much of a soft touch and lets them get away with a little too much?

I’ve never played at this level but what I knew while playing was the you should “respect” your coach, to the point that you feared them and constantly tried to gain their approval. I can’t say that i ever loved a coach but I did respect a coach enough to run through a brick wall for them.

I know the above is a generational thing, but this team has way too many players expecting to get selected the following week no matter what their performance is like.

I think Goody has at least a few games grace to demonstrate he still has the players.

on your point, the it’s true that you can be a leader whom the people love, but who they simultaneously don’t respect - which often comes from not making the tough calls.

  On 02/04/2025 at 20:13, bing181 said:

Then why watch it?

It’s been a long time since I’ve watched a Goody press conference, but his more egregious examples do tend to pop up elsewhere - usually in the context of ‘wtf?’.

I’d move Richardson on and see if I could get Adam Simpson in as football Director

Edited April 2Apr 2 by Roost it far

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:07, Roost it far said:

I’d move Richardson on and see if I could get Adam Simpson in as football Director

I'd seriously offer Adam Simpson the potential coaching gig!

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:26, picket fence said:

I'd seriously offer Adam Simpson the potential coaching gig!

Yes Picket

Very impressive in interview

Simpson or Longmire

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:26, picket fence said:

I'd seriously offer Adam Simpson the potential coaching gig!

Let Goodwin see out the year. Then search through the best assistant’s and then make a decision.

I want the next great coach not the last. We need fresh ideas I think but although I’m cooling on Goodwin he deserves the year to see how he manages what’s proving a tough period.

While he might not be as rigid as Goodwin, Simpson is a big believer in the contested ball, forward half game style. Which makes me nervous.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0UHFsPtf4ZRB48VlAsG4P2 Go to 16:22

Would rather just look at the best assistants across the competition. The most exciting teams in the comp are all coached by guys who were just assistants before getting the big job. There's talent out there if you look for it.

Goodwin is in his 9th year as senior coach, but for all intents and purposes was the senior coach in Roos' last year, so arguably 10.

How long is too long to be subjected to the same voice ? There are exceptions to every rule, such as Sheedy and Chris Scott, but in my view he's had a good run. The message may be getting stale.

So much has happened since the premiership that it's hard not to think that the club and players needs a new voice.

It also needs some clean air. How good would some clean air be ?

I expect we'll get back on track at some point during this year, it may even be tomorrow night, but in my view it's time for a change. Reinvigoration won't be guaranteed, but for me, Goodwin has run his course.

Edited April 2Apr 2 by Gator

  On 02/04/2025 at 23:29, Gator said:

Goodwin is in his 9th year as senior coach, but for all intents and purposes was the senior coach in Roos' last year, so arguably 10.

How long is too long to be subjected to the same voice ? There are exceptions to every rule, such as Sheedy and Chris Scott, but in my view he's had a good run. The message may be getting stale.

So much has happened since the premiership that it's hard not to think that the club and players needs a new voice.

It also needs some clean air. How good would some clean air be ?

I expect we'll get back on track at some point during this year, it may even be tomorrow night, but in my view it's time for a change. Reinvigoration won't be guaranteed, but for me, Goodwin has run his course.

I agree. With all the off-field nonsense that's gone on I think it shows this group could use a fresh start. It's probably not just Goodwin that needs to go but one of Oliver or Petracca too. Possibly both. There are so many players at the club who have been good citizens and worked hard only to watch the two biggest stars at the club make things all about them and despite their form these guys are still being prioritised above other players.

I sympathise with what Petracca went through last year but I do feel he's probably damaged a lot of his relationships at the club, as has Oliver. One thing Goodwin has always struggled with is managing the egos of his players.

Some clear air could completely revitalise the club as it did with Collingwood and GWS in recent times.

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:59, Roost it far said:

Let Goodwin see out the year. Then search through the best assistant’s and then make a decision.

I want the next great coach not the last. We need fresh ideas I think but although I’m cooling on Goodwin he deserves the year to see how he manages what’s proving a tough period.

Im ok with that as long as we can see improvement doesn't have to necessarily mean wins.

But if these 10 goal floggings continue the club will have no choice unfortunately, the pressure will be unbearable.

Only issue is a payout.

  On 02/04/2025 at 23:45, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Im ok with that as long as we can see improvement doesn't have to necessarily mean wins.

But if these 10 goal floggings continue the club will have no choice unfortunately, the pressure will be unbearable.

Only issue is a payout.

Nup sorry, but after our capitulations of the last 3 years, incremental improvements aren't going to cut it. We need WINS and lots of them, otherwise the coaching future of Goodwin at MFC could be all but over.

  On 02/04/2025 at 23:29, Gator said:

Goodwin is in his 9th year as senior coach, but for all intents and purposes was the senior coach in Roos' last year, so arguably 10.

How long is too long to be subjected to the same voice ? There are exceptions to every rule, such as Sheedy and Chris Scott, but in my view he's had a good run. The message may be getting stale.

So much has happened since the premiership that it's hard not to think that the club and players needs a new voice.

It also needs some clean air. How good would some clean air be ?

I expect we'll get back on track at some point during this year, it may even be tomorrow night, but in my view it's time for a change. Reinvigoration won't be guaranteed, but for me, Goodwin has run his course.

I've been a Goodwin supporter but I'm coming around to this way of thinking. Ten years is a long time to lead an organisation.

I've read about a theory in organisational psychology that I think applies to our current predicament. Leaders can become personally invested in 'projects' they oversee. If a project the leader is invested in is underperforming, a leader may continue to support the project trying to make it a success rather than acknowledge failure. The more that has already been invested - and the more the success of the project is linked to the leader and their reputation - the more the leader continues to invest ('sunken cost' fallacy). Whereas, a new leader can view the organisation more objectively and be free to cease projects or cut staff when needed ("failures of the previous administration").

I wonder if the above explains Goodwin's slowness in previous seasons to adapting our once supreme game plan despite evidence we needed to. Also, while acknowledging Goodwin's relationship with the players has been a strength, I wonder what decisions a new coach - without close connection to the players - may make regarding senior players and would this be in our better interest?

I think he's got this year but without recognisable player buy-in and effective execution of a new game plan, I think there's an increasingly strong argument for a fresh face to be our next premiership coach.

Thinking of all the players currently well down on form:

Petracca

Viney

Oliver

Rivers

Petty

Lever

Fritsch

Salem

JVR

Gawn

That is literally our spine. And mostly mid to late 20s. All of those players would walk into the top 22 at any club in the top 8 and probably top 4.

If we can't compete for a top 8 spot with this playing group then you absolutely need to start looking at the coaching group. It's rare that a playing group doesn't "love" their coach.

  On 02/04/2025 at 23:43, KozzyCan said:

I agree. With all the off-field nonsense that's gone on I think it shows this group could use a fresh start. It's probably not just Goodwin that needs to go but one of Oliver or Petracca too. Possibly both. There are so many players at the club who have been good citizens and worked hard only to watch the two biggest stars at the club make things all about them and despite their form these guys are still being prioritised above other players.

I sympathise with what Petracca went through last year but I do feel he's probably damaged a lot of his relationships at the club, as has Oliver. One thing Goodwin has always struggled with is managing the egos of his players.

Some clear air could completely revitalise the club as it did with Collingwood and GWS in recent times.

Spot on with this part.

Just watched 360

Simpson and long mire doing analysis and disecting teams

Very impressive I gotta say

  On 02/04/2025 at 14:12, PaulRB said:

We need the team to continue to work to implement the new game style that they’ve been working on for the past year, and recruiting for. We need to resist the pressure on Goody, trust that this evolution depends in part on our best 22 playing, especially those players, the quick and agile with good skills.

Pickett, Windsor and McVee are big outs, so Picket and Windsor back in are big ins.

Hold tough! Have faith in the team, the coach and their plan. This can turn quickly.

Absolutely.

Unfortunately, far too many in the modern world like an immediate fix or they get frustrated and want to blow everything up. The immediate fix is rarely how life works.

  On 03/04/2025 at 00:08, picket fence said:

Nup sorry, but after our capitulations of the last 3 years, incremental improvements aren't going to cut it. We need WINS and lots of them, otherwise the coaching future of Goodwin at MFC could be all but over.

You might be right @picket fence but I just can't see Brad Green being the one to cull SG, only if it gets outta control and he gets the directive from Steven Smith.

What usually happens in this scenario is the new President normally brings in his own man, so I reckon Goody might see the year out.

If Goody goes, I reckon there might be a massive exodus of players who will use it as an excuse to bail eg. Kozzie, Tracc, Oliver etc.

Hope this doesn't happen but it will definitely be at play.

Edited April 3Apr 3 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:26, picket fence said:

I'd seriously offer Adam Simpson the potential coaching gig!

The guy who oversaw the richest club wallow in mediocrity for 4 years?

And yet you want to get rid of Goody?

The grass is always greener apparently...

  On 03/04/2025 at 02:07, Adam The God said:

The guy who oversaw the richest club wallow in mediocrity for 4 years?

And yet you want to get rid of Goody?

The grass is always greener apparently...

The Eagles were hit hard by injuries during COVID which was the worst time because every club's football department were gutted to cut costs, at the AFL's demand. We were the exact opposite and won the flag. They never recovered. Their biggest mistake was not having a first round pick for years on end... hardly Simpson's fault. He coached them to two Grand Finals including a flag against the Pies at the 'G in one of the all time greats. They were flying for pretty much all of the 2010s. He and his team squandered post COVID, sure, but it was timing more than anything that hurt them.

  On 02/04/2025 at 22:56, Kent said:

Yes Picket

Very impressive in interview

Simpson or Longmire

If this was to happen I would be stoked. I think Goodys time is up, I have never been a fan even when we won it it 2021. I think there are better candidates out there (Simpson/Longmire). I think the time is now for a change.

  On 03/04/2025 at 02:12, praha said:

The Eagles were hit hard by injuries during COVID which was the worst time because every club's football department were gutted to cut costs, at the AFL's demand. We were the exact opposite and won the flag. They never recovered. Their biggest mistake was not having a first round pick for years on end... hardly Simpson's fault. He coached them to two Grand Finals including a flag against the Pies at the 'G in one of the all time greats. They were flying for pretty much all of the 2010s. He and his team squandered post COVID, sure, but it was timing more than anything that hurt them.

Ah yeah, I love how we can use injuries for other teams, but our injuries are considered making excuses for ourselves.

Again, it seems grass is always greener.

  On 03/04/2025 at 02:17, Adam The God said:

Ah yeah, I love how we can use injuries for other teams, but our injuries are considered making excuses for ourselves.

Again, it seems grass is always greener.

Read my post again. Having injuries during COVID seasons was the worst time to be hit. And I've never personally said our injuries at the moment aren't a reasonable excuse for our struggles.

  On 03/04/2025 at 02:25, praha said:

Read my post again. Having injuries during COVID seasons was the worst time to be hit. And I've never personally said our injuries at the moment aren't a reasonable excuse for our struggles.

You may not have, others have.

It's one set of rules for everyone else and not us, like we operate in a vacuum.

If we take Longmire I’m done. He’s finished as a top level coach. There’s a use by date on everything and he’s reached his. Football Director, sure but if we go for a new coach grab the best assistant available.