Part 9: Jason Taylor - Visionary or Over-rated - 2021

[Cranky Franky 2,089]

3 hours ago, Demonsterative said:

Personality of a gnat! An angry little gnat 😜

Oh dear personal attack instead of arguing your case about the trades.

Says it all really.

[IRW 1,387]

14 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

If you really think that we have had the money and contract availability to attract a topline trade, tell us the facts and figures. Instead of this CONSTANT carping. Where in your posts is there one line of SUPPORT for the club, or its staff, or its players. You are a classic example of, with friends like this, who needs enemies.

 

One problem the club does have is that we don't have a lot of contract space because the coaches - who you also consistently revile - manage to get our good players to commit to the club long-term.  I can't imagine why, given that our coaches, like our staff and our players, are no good (according to you).

Every Club has to balance the same issues.

How they do it is part of their job , not an escape clause

A good Club, with an attractive enviroment ( read clubhouse/ base) and a coach players want to work with and learn from  can be confident of managing payments and contract length in a way that gives the recruiters flexibility .

I'd wager that there arnt many duds in footy departments and drafting operations but some are well ahead of the mean.

[Ollie fan 3,468]

45 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Oh dear personal attack instead of arguing your case about the trades.

Says it all really.

Arguing your case!!!! Arguing your case!!!!????

We have asked you several times to tell us what we should have done, not just what you think we did wrong. You consistently dodged that question. Don't talk about "arguing your case"!!

 And as for your personal shots about people like me being happy with these "dud trades": I am VERY happy that after decades of supporting - yes, Cranky, supporting not carping - I have of recent years been able to go to the games - yes, I do go - and almost always see a competitive and committed team with a good chance of winning. I am VERY happy about that.

Edited July 29 by Ollie fan

[Demonsterative 3,020]

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

Oh dear personal attack instead of arguing your case about the trades.

Says it all really.

I’m not making the statements Cranky therefore I don’t have a case to present. 
 

[Little Goffy 14,634]

20 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

You can't help yourself, can you; you must complain - this time, in a thread about Jason Taylor's recruiting in 2021 you talk about Tim Lamb's trades in various years. 

You have to give credit where it is due; Cranky Franky managed to complain, in a thread about the 2021 draft/trade period, about five of our players and four of Hawthorn's players without a single one of them being from the 2021 draft/trade period.

Nine throws and not one in the dartboard.

Right now I'm picturing Cranky Franky going into a KFC and demanding a Big Mac, and when they won't give it to him saying it proves they are too timid to handle his opinions on the cheese.

[whatwhat say what 22,896]

this draft was a ripper for us, particularly if one of more of howes, woewodin or moniz-wakefield goes on to be a regular senior player, given that the expectation of both van rooyen and mcvee is that they'll be 200+ game players

unrelated to this time period, heard on the weekend that chol signed a 4 year $2-2.5m deal with dingley which is heavily front-loaded and has a trigger for a 5th year - we were never in the market for him

 

[DeeZone 10,074]

14 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

I don't deal in hypotheticals just facts.

You & Ollie should get a room.  You're obviously happy with the 5 dud trades (or is it 7). 

 

Hi CF Deespicable is doing a rolling draft & trade revue, he has just completed an excellent review from 2014 - 2021, he hasn’t covered 2023 yet so why are you focusing solely on ‘23??

[monoccular 17,569]

19 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

McAdam might still work out. Billings is miss. Schache and Fullerton aren't physical enough. I'd delist 3 of he them asap, which means Fullerton & Billings play in 2025 as they have contracts and delete them after that.

You say Billings and Fullarton will play 2025 = probably at Casey.

18 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Maybe you should set up a committee to hunt down traitorous supporters

ANYHOW the issue is 5 dud trades have cost us big time this year.

And that's not counting Goodwin totally stuffing up with Grundy & James Jordon so arguably 7 disastrous trades.

Cranky - this is a DRAFT review for 2021, not a critique of our trades 2023.

And please pray tell how YOU would have handled Brundy and Jordon differently given the midfield we had in 2022.

Thanks

15 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

I don't deal in hypotheticals just facts.

You & Ollie should get a room.  You're obviously happy with the 5 dud trades (or is it 7). 

 

I don't think they said anything at all about the "5 or 7 dud trades".   I don't expect that many will be happy with the trade outcomes, but as per topic most are very happy with the 2021 DRAFTS.

[Cranky Franky 2,089]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

 

And please pray tell how YOU would have handled Brundy and Jordon differently given the midfield we had in 2022.

Thanks

Goodwin showed a lack of imagination with Jordon by pigeonholing his role. Longmire saw him in the first scratch match & saw potential as a tagger (ditto Bedford)

Trying to rest Grundy & Gawn forward was absurd & doomed to fail as neither has ever been much chop as a forward. Our forward line was mostly dysfunctional with and without them.

This was obvious from the start so the plan should have always been to rotate them from the bench. Blind freddy could see this.

If they'd done that we might have won the flag & Grundy would still be with us.

[Ollie fan 3,468]

If you rotated ruckmen from the bench, you are immediately playing with half a man down as the general rotations require all four bench sports to be rotated. Not to mention that both men play best when they are on the field for long periods. Blind Freddy would realise that.

 

You couldn't have both Jordon and Bedford as taggers - you need to have creative players; yes, have a tagger but you should only have one. So keeping them both is not realistic. 
 

Maybe this year we could have used one or other of them as a tagger but last year, it wasn't necessary or appropriate - don't forget (well, Cranky, you will forget, or perhaps you will use this as another opportunity to bag anyone and everyone) that until we lost 90% of our forward line due to injury, we were a top four team that even after losing those players, lost two finals by less than a goal each, including to the eventual premier. There was no scope or reason to play either of them as a tagger given the success we were having. That is why they weren't played and looked for opportunity elsewhere. But perhaps Goody should have realised that we would lose one player for ever and one player due to off-field misbehaviour; that Clarry would for many reasons including a severe hand injury be far less effective than usual and that Trac would suffer life-threatening injuries. How he didn't foresee all that is beyond me and deserving of severe criticism.

 

 

(I know you are not smart enough to realise it so I'll spell it out for you: the last sentence was IRONY).

[spirit of norm smith 16,565]

Drafting 10/10. JT. 👏👏👏

This was exactly what the Demonlanders wanted. JVR. HOWES. WOEY JNR. + AMW. 👏👏👏

Bonus was JT picking McVee in the rookie draft.  👏👏👏