PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Have to cover Butters.

Maybe a role for Sparrow and Billings this week?

He's their main play maker and tore us a new one last time

[Demonland 72,171]

[DutchDemons 1,430]

4 hours ago, Clayton van Oliver said:

Love the expat love fellas. Can echo all those who describe how integral you are to keeping us all attached to our club. Thank you! 

P.S @DutchDemons and I have the international MFC museum in Amsterdam for anyone visiting 😂

excuse the mess, but this is what he means, the middle one is a signed Gawn guernsey :-D

 

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[DistrACTION Jackson 8,729]

@binman loved the analysis of the stats guy (think is name is Daniel Hoyne?) speaking with Gerard Healy about our new plan to score more from the back half. I think the one thing that the media are sleeping on is just how good our half backs actually are. McVee, Rivers, Howes and Bowey are all elite kicks and are going to be so dangerous. I actually believe that is the best group of half back users in the competition

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

54 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

McVee, Rivers, Howes and Bowey are all elite kicks and are going to be so dangerous. I actually believe that is the best group of half back users in the competition

hmm, i wouldn't call them elite - i'd call them neat

they all don't bite off more than they can chew and make 'sensible' decisions rather than 'risky' ones

perhaps with greater experience will come greater desire to take the game on, in the mould of blakey from the swans, williams or saad from carlton, and naicos or crisp from the filth

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,729]

5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

hmm, i wouldn't call them elite - i'd call them neat

they all don't bite off more than they can chew and make 'sensible' decisions rather than 'risky' ones

perhaps with greater experience will come greater desire to take the game on, in the mould of blakey from the swans, williams or saad from carlton, and naicos or crisp from the filth

That is a fair assessment, but let's not forget they are 22, 20, 21 & 20.......

[Webber 10,465]

Great pod again, boys. Your consistent level of detail is hugely impressive, across the podcast spectrum I reckon, not just footy. Perfect accompaniment to a Tuesday morning exercise session!
 

Thanks @george_on_the_outer for the shout-out on medical/injury stuff. I am indeed a physiotherapist (not an orthopaedic surgeon….don’t have quite the ego for that 😉), of 35 years and counting in sports/orthopaedic work. Am basically the wallpaper at a Melbourne practice that specialises in knees, including a huge amount of post-surgical rehab. This includes long relationships with all those surgeons you hear about in the AFL media. As such, I’m happy to throw my expertise around Demonland FWIW, particularly if it helps to counter misinformation, panic and sheer speculation (all of which hardly ever crop up on Demonland of course). 

 

 

[binman 42,906]

2 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

That is a fair assessment, but let's not forget they are 22, 20, 21 & 20.......

Exactly.

And IMHO, McVee, Rivers, Howes and Bowey area all future A graders. 

For me this is another key thing thing the media is completely missing about the dees - how  much scope for improvement we have because we have so many quality young players in our starting 23 that will develop into serious AFL footballers. 

On Saturday we had four players under the age of 21 - JVR, Windsor,  McVee and Howes. And Koz and Rivers are both still only 22.  Bowey will come back in when fit and he is only 21.

All seven players are in our best 23, meaning almost a third of our best team are 22 or under. That's crazy given we won a flag in 2021 and were top 4 in 2022 and 2023.

And Sparrow is only 23 and Chandler turned 24 in January (meaning nine of our best 23 are under 24 or under).

So much upside.  Upside that not other serious top 4 contender, with the possible exception of the Giants, can match. 

Compare and contrast to the Pies for instance. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,729]

27 minutes ago, binman said:

Exactly.

And IMHO, McVee, Rivers, Howes and Bowey area all future A graders. 

For me this is another key thing thing the media is completely missing about the dees - how  much scope for improvement we have because we have so many quality young players in our starting 23 that will develop into serious AFL footballers. 

On Saturday we had four players under the age of 21 - JVR, Windsor,  McVee and Howes. And Koz and Rivers are both still only 22.  Bowey will come back in when fit and he is only 21.

All seven players are in our best 23, meaning almost a third of our best team are 22 or under. That's crazy given we won a flag in 2021 and were top 4 in 2022 and 2023.

And Sparrow is only 23 and Chandler turned 24 in January (meaning nine of our best 23 are under 24 or under).

So much upside.  Upside that not other serious top 4 contender, with the possible exception of the Giants, can match. 

Compare and contrast to the Pies for instance. 

100% agree. Which is why I'm not as concerned about the Gawn/May retirements.

The real end of the 'era' will be Trac, Viney, Salem, Oliver, Fritsch, Lever, Langdon, ANB, Billings etc. 

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[binman 42,906]

2 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

100% agree. Which is why I'm not as concerned about the Gawn/May retirements.

The real end of the 'era' will be Trac/Viney/Salem/Oliver/Fritsch/Lever/Langdon

Mmm, Gawn and may will be hard to cover, as i'm not convinced we have cover for tmem in term sof young players. 

But we both may and maxy are on big coin, so we will have some capital to to say target Darcy at Freo down the track (i cant see the Jackson Darcy combo working out long term).

And perhaps go after a Taylor or another other quality key defender.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,729]

13 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, Gawn and may will be hard to cover, as i'm not convinced we have cover for tmem in term sof young players. 

But we both may and maxy are on big coin, so we will have some capital to to say target Darcy at Freo down the track (i cant see the Jackson Darcy combo working out long term).

And perhaps go after a Taylor or another other quality key defender.

Exactly. I think we will go free agency/trades to cover those guys, but I also won't write off Adams/Verrall just yet. We've seen Howes come in this year after a couple of years at Casey so sometimes it can click. Plus big guys take a bit longer.

I'm more saying I don't think we should start panicking about those two finishing up just yet.

[Webber 10,465]

32 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, Gawn and may will be hard to cover

I might be optimistic here, but I think Verrall (for his age) is showing outstanding signs as a future ruckman. Despite the underwhelming Casey game on Sunday, he showed (to me at least), surprising physicality and competitive spirit against Meek (a man-mountain), and exceptional endeavour in second efforts. He is however raw and clearly learning every minute, but to me, as a potential no. 1 ruckman, he’s got me excited. Don’t forget how Maxy presented as a 19 year old. 

[Chook 15,013]

40 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, Gawn and may will be hard to cover, as i'm not convinced we have cover for tmem in term sof young players. 

But we both may and maxy are on big coin, so we will have some capital to to say target Darcy at Freo down the track (i cant see the Jackson Darcy combo working out long term).

And perhaps go after a Taylor or another other quality key defender.

Top tier ruckman are very rare, and although we've had the luxury of having one of the best ever ruckmen it's only a point of difference rather than a requirement for a premiership. If we have to live without the best ruckman in the competition well then that's obviously not ideal but it's not as if we'll never win a clearance or be able to kick long down the line as a result.

[Deeoldfart 8,016]

Many thanks for another insightful and enjoyable pod guys!  It kept Mrs DoF and I totally engrossed for a couple of hours, on the first leg of a road trip from Canberra to Adelaide for Rounds 3/4.  Go Dee’s!

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[Chook 15,013]

Tried to listen to this poddy last night to lull me to sleep (not a comment on the quality of the podcast - it's just a habit I've gotten myself into). I think I lasted about 15 minutes so I'll give it another crack tonight.

[Demonland 72,171]

55 minutes ago, Chook said:

Tried to listen to this poddy last night to lull me to sleep (not a comment on the quality of the podcast - it's just a habit I've gotten myself into). I think I lasted about 15 minutes so I'll give it another crack tonight.

I don't know whether to be insulted or to start a business as a sleep therapist. 😜

[Traja Dee 108]

11 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

@binman loved the analysis of the stats guy (think is name is Daniel Hoyne?) speaking with Gerard Healy about our new plan to score more from the back half. I think the one thing that the media are sleeping on is just how good our half backs actually are. McVee, Rivers, Howes and Bowey are all elite kicks and are going to be so dangerous. I actually believe that is the best group of half back users in the competition

Hi @binman, can you please give the name of the stats podcast you replayed on this week's episode. The concept was fascinating and I'd like to hear it again.

Thanks for the show - it's wonderful escapism for me and many other tragic Dees, particularly after a win.

[Demonland 72,171]

7 minutes ago, Traja Dee said:

Hi @binman, can you please give the name of the stats podcast you replayed on this week's episode. The concept was fascinating and I'd like to hear it again.

Thanks for the show - it's wonderful escapism for me and many other tragic Dees, particularly after a win.

SEN has a segment each week with Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data (not sure what day or time).  The segments are eventually posted to YouTube/Spotify/SEN Website. On YouTube the segments are time coded in the episode description so you can jump straight to any Dees segment.

Here are the shows from Opening Round and Round 1. Round 2 has not been posted yet.

 

[binman 42,906]

31 minutes ago, Demonland said:

SEN has a segment each week with Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data (not sure what day or time).  The segments are eventually posted to YouTube/Spotify/SEN Website. On YouTube the segments are time coded in the episode description so you can jump straight to any Dees segment.

Here are the shows from Opening Round and Round 1. Round 2 has not been posted yet.

 

 

[binman 42,906]

2 hours ago, Chook said:

Tried to listen to this poddy last night to lull me to sleep (not a comment on the quality of the podcast - it's just a habit I've gotten myself into). I think I lasted about 15 minutes so I'll give it another crack tonight.

My wife has the same reaction when I talk to her about footy.

Well, a few things actually now that I come to think about it.

[Palace Dees 2,311]

Just got around to listening to the podcast.  Once again, great listening and a must for all demon fanatics.  As usual,  I agreed with 90%+ of what was broadcast, which beats any other podcast/program.  

Yes, you are right, there is a but.

I think it was George, when critiquing the Hawthorn game, stated he thought Hawthorn wasted pick 5 on Nick Watson. 

Wow!!!  What an incredibly quick and harsh judgement on the kid. Nick was universally touted by clubs, and draft gurus, as a unique talent. He has played 180 minutes of AFL, not 180 games. We are quite rightly singing the praises of 2024 debutant, Blake Howes on Demonland. The difference being, he is in his 3rd year at a successful club. Watson is playing in a rabble of a team, and arguably a club.

Cal Twomey gave him the nickname of The Wizard, which is impossible to live up to at this stage of his career. Unfortunately, this is mentioned EVERY time he goes near the ball. It puts unreal expectations of him. 

I believe he will be a very, very good player. A 200 game/400 goal career would not surprise.  Let's just give him the time all fair judges here would if he was one if ours.