Stats Files - 2024

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,109]

Thanks as always, @Demon Dynasty 👍👍👍

'Stats' are always 'in the eye of the beholder' but surely your latest post and interpretation above should allow us to calm down a bit. I will.

[DeeZone 9,798]

Thanks DD I agree with Timothy R-A, we weren’t monstered as much as the score board showed. Forward efficiency and accuracy were our killers but the loss of Christian Petracca has sent us all into a spiral and I’m not sure what will pull us out of it.!!!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

11 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD I agree with Timothy R-A, we weren’t monstered as much as the score board showed. Forward efficiency and accuracy were our killers but the loss of Christian Petracca has sent us all into a spiral and I’m not sure what will pull us out of it.!!!

They have to get Rivers into the middle.  Maybe not full time but needs to play some serious minutes there if we're to have any chance of making the eight imv DZ.

Turner and / or Marty can cover his role from the bench when he's playing through there.

The answers probably don't presently lie at Casey but the following should also take place for mine from the North game as a trial run in that match and assess where we go from there...

Fullarton replaces Petty.

Tommo comes in for Howes.

Moniz for Bowey.  We need another run and gun defender off HB, especially if we're going to push Rivers into the middle as.per the above.

Even if we don't, Bowey is too stop and prop and (partially) killing off any speed on the ball.  Speed up the transition and get some line breaking run going which might help improve our forward entries & chances a tad.

Kolt replaces Tracc.  Probably too early but no choice but to try now.

McAdam for Chandler.

Probably a week too early but if he can't perform against North he probably won't later on against better teams and this could be the confidence game he needs to have!  Ditto Fullarton.

Chandler's form in the last seven weeks bar one game is not AFL worthy, big stint needed at Casey to work on many aspects of his game in the second half of season and go from there.

Sestan for Laurie who has been unable to take the next step so far and unsure as to why he was selected in the first place.

Woe as sub

Tracc out is obviously a massive blow.

However, this last part of the season imv is more about Goodwin's ability to see the light and realise that he needs to bring in some fresh players who have shown a bit at Casey and get some leg speed across HB (Moniz) and even in the middle (Kolt...not super quick but a step up on Vines & Clarry.  Plus Rivers who does have the burst speed) where possible.

He has trialled the likes of Pickett and ANB through the middle which is great but too much CBA time for Pickett is robbing us of his small forward abilities and the odd goal plus the preesure he brings i50.  Tale away serious minutes from our number one pressure guy inside 50 and good luck with that!

Bringing in Rivers for some serious mid minutes to counter some of Pickett's should help us correct this over balance and improve our forward set up somewhat.

Hopefully Melk is back within three to four weeks, including a few at Casey, and that way we have back up for and pressure on McAdam or Chin.

Edited June 16 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 9,798]

Agree DD I would love to see all those changes to refresh the side and give us the chance to finish the year running. Reward effort and send underperforming players back to Casey to rekindle their form and desire for the contest, will make us stronger in the long term.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Agree DD I would love to see all those changes to refresh the side and give us the chance to finish the year running. Reward effort and send underperforming players back to Casey to rekindle their form and desire for the contest, will make us stronger in the long term.

I can't see all or much of the above happening but that's just my take DZ. 

Oh one more change.  Woe actually comes in for Sparrow IF he can string a few quality games together at Casey and Sparrow continues his poor form.

I would then swap them over with Sparrow as the sub.

Edited June 16 by Demon Dynasty

[Kent 2,909]

On 12/06/2024 at 09:30, Demon Dynasty said:

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 13, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Not looking good. 

With the loss of Gus, our season was always riding on the fitness and form of the three amigos in the middle.

We have now lost Tracc.  Viney has been on the decline (injuries?) since Rnd 4 vs the Crows and Clarry is a shadow of his former self and, if we had a replacement, i would suggest needs a long stint at Casey.

We also needed Sparrow to come on but unfortunatley he instead has regressed badly and is really only getting games due to a lack of depth.  Chandler same.

Time to see what we have downstairs and give some of the developing / other role players a go such as Sestan (VG on the weekend), Moniz (serviceable) and Fullo (did ok!).  Looks like we are also attempting to develop BBB into a forward / ruck chop out option at Casey.  Is that necessary though given his knee and where he's at in his career?

Others are in the mix but haven't really shown they are ready yet such as Kolt.  Smacca had a good game also but still needs to build a tank, defensive pressure at ground level and consistency before he gets another call up imho.  About two to three weeks and then back in or do we risk bringing him in earlier?

Woey & Tommo should never have been dropped for KB and need to come straight in.

The players who should not be playing and shouldn't have been played for many weeks now which i have harped on about for a while...

Petty - poorly managed from his too early return after 1 shizen casey game

Chandler - Also poorly managed. It was obvious he was on a massive slide off his early form from about three weeks ago

Turner - not after the Freo game, either needed to go down back to allow Rivers to spend more time in the middle or out of the team to work on his fitness / game at Casey

Bowey - gone over this one before, gets to the right spots but just isn't damaging at all and makes us too slow to transition, allowing the oppo to get numbers forward almost every time.  Puts zero speed on the ball with his stop and prop short game.

Howes - just not at the pressure / intensity level for AFL right now for mine.  More time at Casey needed to work on these aspects.

Billings - VFL player at best and when he went back to Casey he did NOT show enough to get the recall...not sure what Goodwdin was watching / thinking here. He adds and brings nothing.

Laurie - Same as Billings but also a turnover king, even at VFL level under little to no pressure at times.  5 turnovers against the pies and DE at a horrible 57%, thats 17% below AFL average.

Add Hunter and Schache to this list also.

Personally i'd delist those last four at season's end.

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn	4.352	2	3.350	29.9	7	5
C Oliver	3.844	3	5.002	-23.2	1	-2
Steven May	3.760	4	3.213	17.0	8	4
A Tomlinson	3.558	5	2.915	22.1	14	9
Jake Lever <	3.483	6	3.131	11.2	9	3
Jack Viney	3.337	7	3.707	-10.0	4	-3
C Salem <	3.332	8	2.993	11.3	12	4
T Rivers	3.296	9	3.696	-10.8	5	-4
Ed Langdon	3.083	10	3.057	0.9	10	0
T McDonald	3.000	11	2.054	46.1	27	16
A N-Bullen	2.990	12	2.532	18.1	20	8
Judd McVee	2.937	13	2.320	26.6	22	9
J Bowey <	2.785	14	2.820	-1.2	15	1
T Woewodin < >	2.577	15	1.406	83.3	34	19
T Sparrow	2.515	16	2.811	-10.5	16	0
K Pickett	2.443	17	2.101	16.3	26	9
B Howes	2.386	18	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.273	19	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.202	20	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.181	21	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.098	22	2.265	-7.4	23	1
J V Rooyen	2.036	23	2.170	-6.2	25	2
B Fritsch	1.862	24	2.324	-19.9	21	-3
L Hunter* <	1.838	25	2.939	-37.5	13	-12
B Laurie* < >	1.605	26	2.235	-28.2	24	-2
S McAdam*	1.483	27	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	28	1.941	-28.3	28	0
H Petty <	1.238	29	2.718	-54.5	19	-10
C Spargo*	1.200	30	1.886	-36.4	29	-1
D Turner	1.180	31	1.825	-35.3	31	0
K Tholstrup*	1.100	32	-	-	-	-
J Schache*	0.700	33	1.525	-54.1	33	0
J Melksham	-	-	1.599	-	32	-
Team Rating	66.91		69.86	-4.2
Top 6	23.47		24.43	-3.9
Bottom 6	13.58		15.17	-10.5

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Why the he'll can't Tomlinson  get a game Turner is a fail on those Stats

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

10 hours ago, Kent said:

Why the he'll can't Tomlinson  get a game Turner is a fail on those Stats

Turner is being played as a forward with little effect bar the one match Kent.  Can't see him holding his spot this week surely!?

On Tommo i'd have him in for most games ahead of Howes, unless match ups insist on a more agile player to cover a small forward maybe?

Bottom line with Tommo is he never drops his work rate and effort.  That's a rare asset and a great one to have in a team where so many have shaat the bed in the last month and failed to turn up.

You could even play Tommo forward in place of Turner.  How could he be any worse!  Answer... he wouldn't!  And probably at least gets the ball to ground more often and takes out a few of the oppo's backmen in the process.

Same with Moniz for Bowey.  At least trial it for a good block of games. 

What's to lose?  Season's pretty much shot now and Moniz deserves a run with Bowey not having any real weapons or serious form since his return.

Edited June 16 by Demon Dynasty

[whatwhat say what 22,731]

10 hours ago, Kent said:

Why the he'll can't Tomlinson  get a game Turner is a fail on those Stats

because as a tall defender he's hopeless 1:1 against any size opponent and he has one means of disposing of the ball - kicking it long and as far away from himself as possible

i know there's 'tomlinson truthers' on this site but unfortunately if we want to be a good side he won't be in it

he's not even as good a defender as sam frost

they're both unreliable with and without the ball

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 15, 2024 MCG - Demons vs Kangaroos

Scoring Efficiency	Demons	Kangaroos
Disposals Per Goal	26.0	35.7
% In50s Goal	23.4	20.8
Conversion %	73.3	58.8

Average Attributes
Melbourne	Attribute	North Melbourne
186.9cm	Height	188.5cm
86.0kg	Weight	85.3kg
25yr 4mth	Age	24yr 9mth
106.2	Games	82.7

Melbourne	Games	North Melbourne
8	Less than 50	9
5	50 to 99	6
1	100 to 149	5
5	150 to 200	2
4	200 or more	1

Our efficiency may have gotten us over the line in the end.

Team Rating, Top 6 players rating, bottom 6 players rating (from the best 22) are all at record lows.  Certainly the lowest for this season and, without trolling through past results, potentially since 2017? 

I can't see us getting close to the Lions but we could be bolstered down back with the return of Lever (assuming he makes it) and potentially a few more in form players coming in via Casey if some perform at a high enough standard tomorrow.

Rivers spending significant time through the middle for the second time this season, achieving the No.1 rating for the second week running!  Keep it going please Simon.  That's a great result for Rivers and for us.

However, this positive news was offset big time by the performance of Clarry.  That would be up there with his worst ever (statistical) performance since joining the club.  What can we do here?  Sestan for Clarry with a good showing against North tomorrow at Casey?

Another very poor result for Bowey.  44% off his 2023 season rating.  Moniz would surely be close to getting a call up if he performs again tomorrow yes?  Langdon, Windsor and JVR not great as well although JVR at least presented well on a few occasions, clunked a couple and made the most of his shots with fairly limited game time (68%).

Very nice work from Maysie coming in at No.2 for the Demons and keeping Larkey goalless while also posting their worst rating of the night (bar their sub).

Incredibly that was not Petty's worst rating for the season.  That came in round 7 vs the Tigers when he posted a negative rating with a -0.22    Posting a lower rating than the debutante Brown on 10% game time as sub! 

Viney wins the turnover king award today with 8.

Petty, Clarry, Langdon and Xerri all finishing with a hefty 7 turnovers.  The Roos just edging out the Demons with a total of 70 vs the Demons with 67.

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
T Rivers	4.450	1	3.696	20.4
S May	3.500	2	3.213	8.9
Max Gawn	3.150	3	3.350	-6.0
C Salem < 78%	2.925	4	2.993	-2.3
A N-Bullen	2.875	5	2.532	13.5
Jack Viney	2.850	6	3.707	-23.1
J McVee	2.625	7	2.320	13.1
A Tomlinson	2.550	8	2.912	-12.4
T McDonald	2.475	9	2.054	20.5
T Sparrow	2.175	10	2.811	-22.6
B Fritsch	2.025	11	2.324	-12.9
K Tholstrup	1.950	12	-	-
B Howes	1.925	13	-	-
K Pickett	1.900	14	2.101	-9.6
Ed Langdon	1.875	15	3.057	-38.7
K Chandler	1.875	15	2.265	-17.2
J Bowey	1.575	17	2.820	-44.1
J V Rooyen	1.525	18	2.170	-29.7
D Turner	1.375	19	1.825	-24.7
C Windsor	1.200	20	-	-
C Oliver	0.600	21	5.002	-88.0
K Brown > 10%	0.425	22	-	-
H Petty	0.275	23	2.718	-89.9
Team Score	47.83		69.86	-31.5
Top 6	19.75		24.43	-19.2
Bottom 6	6.70		15.17	-55.8

 

Kangas

Player	Rating	Rank
L D-Uniacke	6.125	1
Jy Simpkin	4.375	2
C Comben	4.100	3
G Wardlaw	4.000	4
Zac Fisher	3.600	5
H Sheezel	3.425	6
T Xerri	3.025	7
E Ford	2.925	8
W Phillips	2.750	9
T Powell	2.450	10
A Corr	2.425	11
B Scott	2.425	11
L McDonald	2.350	13
L Shiels	2.350	13
C Zurhaar	2.175	15
C Taylor	2.150	16
J Archer	2.025	17
P Curtis	1.950	18
D Tucker	1.675	19
B Teakle	1.425	20
D Stephens > 35%	1.175	21
N Larkey	1.050	22
T Pink < 43%	0.575	23
Team Score	59.95
Top 6	25.63
Bottom 6	9.30

 

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
L D-Uniacke	6.125	1
T Rivers	4.450	2
Jy Simpkin	4.375	3
C Comben	4.100	4
G Wardlaw	4.000	5
Zac Fisher	3.600	6
S May	3.500	7
H Sheezel	3.425	8
Max Gawn	3.150	9
T Xerri	3.025	10
C Salem < 78%	2.925	11
E Ford	2.925	11
A N-Bullen	2.875	13
Jack Viney	2.850	14
W Phillips	2.750	15
J McVee	2.625	16
A Tomlinson	2.550	17
T McDonald	2.475	18
T Powell	2.450	19
A Corr	2.425	20
B Scott	2.425	20
L McDonald	2.350	22
L Shiels	2.350	22
T Sparrow	2.175	24
C Zurhaar	2.175	24
C Taylor	2.150	26
B Fritsch	2.025	27
J Archer	2.025	27
P Curtis	1.950	29
K Tholstrup	1.950	29
B Howes	1.925	31
K Pickett	1.900	32
Ed Langdon	1.875	33
K Chandler	1.875	33
D Tucker	1.675	35
J Bowey	1.575	36
J V Rooyen	1.525	37
B Teakle	1.425	38
D Turner	1.375	39
C Windsor	1.200	40
D Stephens > 35%	1.175	41
N Larkey	1.050	42
C Oliver	0.600	43
T Pink < 43%	0.575	44
K Brown > 10%	0.425	45
H Petty	0.275	46

< Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & foxssports.com.au

Edited June 22 by Demon Dynasty

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v North Melbourne (Round 15, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20241504

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	63.3	71.7	-8.4
Kicking Efficiency	60.0	63.7	-3.7
Metres Gained	5301	5565	-264
Inside 50s	47	48	-1
Shots At Goal	16	18	-2
Shots Per Inside 50	34.0	37.5	-3.5
Contested Possessions	135	143	-8
Ground Ball Gets	85	95	-10
Intercepts	71	67	+4
Intercept Marks	12	14	-2
Centre Clearances	10	13	-3
Stoppage Clearances	25	29	-4
Contested Marks	10	11	-1
Marks Inside 50	9	9	+0
Hitouts	35	30	+5
Hitouts To Advantage	8	9	-1
Tackles	67	67	+0
Tackles Inside 50	15	13	+2
Def One On One Loss %	42.9	60.0	-17.1

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	2	3	-1
Loose Ball Get	18	9	+9
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	2	2	0
Free For	5	2	+3
Total	29	20	+9
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	5	5	0
Loose Ball Get	6	17	-11
Contested Mark	2	2	0
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Free For	3	2	+1
Total	17	26	-9
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	15	11	+4
Loose Ball Get	45	55	-10
Contested Mark	10	11	-1
Contested Knock On	4	3	+1
Free For	16	14	+2
Total	90	94	-4
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	9	-3
Loose Ball Get	19	20	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	6	7	-1
Gather From Hitout	6	8	-2
Contested Knock On	3	0	+3
Free For	5	5	0
Total	45	49	-4

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	55.0	70	1	29%		+3	+10.6
North Melbourne	62.7	67	1	71%	+7.6

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	16	11.3.69	68.8%	54.0	+15.0	3.38	+0.94
North Melbourne	18	10.6.66	55.6%	61.7	+4.3	3.43	+0.24
General Play
Melbourne	4	2.1.13	50.0%	7.6	+5.4	1.89	+1.36
North Melbourne	6	5.1.31	83.3%	21.9	+9.1	3.65	+1.52
Set Position
Melbourne	12	9.2.56	75.0%	46.5	+9.5	3.87	+0.79
North Melbourne	12	5.5.35	41.7%	39.8	−4.8	3.31	−0.40

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	174	-11
2	185	195	-10
3	224	197	+27
4	181	218	-37
Match	189	195	-6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Alex Neal-Bullen	33	80	54.4
Kade Chandler	23	61	47.2
Trent Rivers	23	52	24.9
Jack Viney	19	45	60.0
Tom Sparrow	20	45	46.0
Ed Langdon	24	45	31.2
Caleb Windsor	21	44	33.5
Koltyn Tholstrup	15	41	40.0
Clayton Oliver	15	38	45.3
Kysaiah Pickett	20	35	42.0
Christian Salem	11	25	27.0
Harrison Petty	13	22	27.6
Max Gawn	9	22	24.7
Adam Tomlinson	8	20	23.2
Jacob van Rooyen	7	18	16.2
Jake Bowey	9	15	15.4
Tom McDonald	6	14	21.2
Blake Howes	4	9	17.2
Daniel Turner	6	9	12.7
Bayley Fritsch	5	7	15.6
Kynan Brown	4	7	7.0
Judd McVee	6	6	14.7
Steven May	1	0	9.2

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	50%	50%
2	43%	57%
3	57%	43%
4	40%	60%
Match	47%	53%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	0.0.0	+0
Centre Bounce	1.0.6	0.2.2	+4
Stoppage (Other)	5.1.31	3.1.19	+12
Turnover	5.3.33	7.4.46	-13

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	2.6	0	1.6
Centre Bounce	6	10.8	2	6.9
Stoppage (Other)	31	22.4	19	19.9
Turnover	33	40.9	46	48.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	6	10.8	2	6.9
Kick-in	D50	0	2.6	0	1.6
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	2.0	0	1.8
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	2.0	0	2.3
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	7	12.2	7	8.8
Stoppage (Other)	F50	18	6.2	12	7.1
Turnover	D50	7	7.6	18	8.2
Turnover	Centre	6	7.1	12	8.7
Turnover	Wing	18	19.9	15	24.4
Turnover	F50	2	6.3	1	6.8

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	13	12.3	18	11.6
Centre	12	19.9	14	17.9
Wing	25	32.1	22	33.1
F50	20	12.5	13	13.9

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	13	12.3	18	11.6
Defensive midfield	12	18.4	19	17.9
Centre bounce	6	10.8	2	6.9
Attacking midfield	19	22.7	15	26.3
Forward 50	20	12.5	13	13.9

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
25	30.7	37	29.4

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	21	84%	85.0%	64.9%
Trent Rivers	20	80%	7.8%	3.0%
Clayton Oliver	17	68%	71.1%	81.4%
Jack Viney	14	56%	67.8%	72.1%
Tom Sparrow	13	52%	36.7%	44.9%
Kysaiah Pickett	9	36%	38.8%	11.2%
Jacob van Rooyen	4	16%	13.1%	7.6%
Alex Neal-Bullen	2	8%	15.0%	2.1%
Christian Salem	0	0%	17.6%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	4.2%	0.7%
Koltyn Tholstrup	0	0%	4.1%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			4.4%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	84	82%	82.8%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	18%	13.9%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	4.8%	2.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	84	30	7	26.5%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	5	1	28.6%	31.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	31.8%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Tristan Xerri	77	20	5
Brynn Teakle	24	10	4
Luke Davies-Uniacke	1	0	0
Nick Larkey	1	0	0

[MrFreeze 1,952]

3 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v North Melbourne (Round 15, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20241504

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	63.3	71.7	-8.4
Kicking Efficiency	60.0	63.7	-3.7
Metres Gained	5301	5565	-264
Inside 50s	47	48	-1
Shots At Goal	16	18	-2
Shots Per Inside 50	34.0	37.5	-3.5
Contested Possessions	135	143	-8
Ground Ball Gets	85	95	-10
Intercepts	71	67	+4
Intercept Marks	12	14	-2
Centre Clearances	10	13	-3
Stoppage Clearances	25	29	-4
Contested Marks	10	11	-1
Marks Inside 50	9	9	+0
Hitouts	35	30	+5
Hitouts To Advantage	8	9	-1
Tackles	67	67	+0
Tackles Inside 50	15	13	+2
Def One On One Loss %	42.9	60.0	-17.1

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	2	3	-1
Loose Ball Get	18	9	+9
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	2	2	0
Free For	5	2	+3
Total	29	20	+9
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	5	5	0
Loose Ball Get	6	17	-11
Contested Mark	2	2	0
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Free For	3	2	+1
Total	17	26	-9
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	15	11	+4
Loose Ball Get	45	55	-10
Contested Mark	10	11	-1
Contested Knock On	4	3	+1
Free For	16	14	+2
Total	90	94	-4
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	9	-3
Loose Ball Get	19	20	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	6	7	-1
Gather From Hitout	6	8	-2
Contested Knock On	3	0	+3
Free For	5	5	0
Total	45	49	-4

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	55.0	70	1	29%		+3	+10.6
North Melbourne	62.7	67	1	71%	+7.6

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	16	11.3.69	68.8%	54.0	+15.0	3.38	+0.94
North Melbourne	18	10.6.66	55.6%	61.7	+4.3	3.43	+0.24
General Play
Melbourne	4	2.1.13	50.0%	7.6	+5.4	1.89	+1.36
North Melbourne	6	5.1.31	83.3%	21.9	+9.1	3.65	+1.52
Set Position
Melbourne	12	9.2.56	75.0%	46.5	+9.5	3.87	+0.79
North Melbourne	12	5.5.35	41.7%	39.8	−4.8	3.31	−0.40

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	174	-11
2	185	195	-10
3	224	197	+27
4	181	218	-37
Match	189	195	-6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Alex Neal-Bullen	33	80	54.4
Kade Chandler	23	61	47.2
Trent Rivers	23	52	24.9
Jack Viney	19	45	60.0
Tom Sparrow	20	45	46.0
Ed Langdon	24	45	31.2
Caleb Windsor	21	44	33.5
Koltyn Tholstrup	15	41	40.0
Clayton Oliver	15	38	45.3
Kysaiah Pickett	20	35	42.0
Christian Salem	11	25	27.0
Harrison Petty	13	22	27.6
Max Gawn	9	22	24.7
Adam Tomlinson	8	20	23.2
Jacob van Rooyen	7	18	16.2
Jake Bowey	9	15	15.4
Tom McDonald	6	14	21.2
Blake Howes	4	9	17.2
Daniel Turner	6	9	12.7
Bayley Fritsch	5	7	15.6
Kynan Brown	4	7	7.0
Judd McVee	6	6	14.7
Steven May	1	0	9.2

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	50%	50%
2	43%	57%
3	57%	43%
4	40%	60%
Match	47%	53%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	0.0.0	+0
Centre Bounce	1.0.6	0.2.2	+4
Stoppage (Other)	5.1.31	3.1.19	+12
Turnover	5.3.33	7.4.46	-13

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	2.6	0	1.6
Centre Bounce	6	10.8	2	6.9
Stoppage (Other)	31	22.4	19	19.9
Turnover	33	40.9	46	48.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	6	10.8	2	6.9
Kick-in	D50	0	2.6	0	1.6
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	2.0	0	1.8
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	2.0	0	2.3
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	7	12.2	7	8.8
Stoppage (Other)	F50	18	6.2	12	7.1
Turnover	D50	7	7.6	18	8.2
Turnover	Centre	6	7.1	12	8.7
Turnover	Wing	18	19.9	15	24.4
Turnover	F50	2	6.3	1	6.8

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	13	12.3	18	11.6
Centre	12	19.9	14	17.9
Wing	25	32.1	22	33.1
F50	20	12.5	13	13.9

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	13	12.3	18	11.6
Defensive midfield	12	18.4	19	17.9
Centre bounce	6	10.8	2	6.9
Attacking midfield	19	22.7	15	26.3
Forward 50	20	12.5	13	13.9

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
25	30.7	37	29.4

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by North Melbourne.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	21	84%	85.0%	64.9%
Trent Rivers	20	80%	7.8%	3.0%
Clayton Oliver	17	68%	71.1%	81.4%
Jack Viney	14	56%	67.8%	72.1%
Tom Sparrow	13	52%	36.7%	44.9%
Kysaiah Pickett	9	36%	38.8%	11.2%
Jacob van Rooyen	4	16%	13.1%	7.6%
Alex Neal-Bullen	2	8%	15.0%	2.1%
Christian Salem	0	0%	17.6%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	4.2%	0.7%
Koltyn Tholstrup	0	0%	4.1%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			4.4%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	84	82%	82.8%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	18%	13.9%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	4.8%	2.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	84	30	7	26.5%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	5	1	28.6%	31.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	31.8%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Tristan Xerri	77	20	5
Brynn Teakle	24	10	4
Luke Davies-Uniacke	1	0	0
Nick Larkey	1	0	0

We always push hard training wise during the bye weeks. May explain the 4th q pressure drop off. My lord though, ANB, Chandler and Rivers going ballistic pressure wise. Chandler especially doing a lot of unrewarded and unnoticed work. 

[DeeZone 9,798]

Thanks Wheelo and DD, our numbers are so far down on what we are used to, hard to believe that Clarry has gone from Superstar to ? That would be his worst game ever and boy do we miss him. Gus & Tracc have left two huge holes in the side and having 8 players with less than 50 games in the side drops us well down the pecking order.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

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Edited June 23 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	174	-11
2	185	195	-10
3	224	197	+27
4	181	218	-37
Match	189	195	-6

Source: Herald Sun

Not bad overall but North still had the edge.

We were more efficient at converting.

Third quarter off the charts.

Above AFL average (180) is a reasonable result, a good sign that we might be starting to rurn the corner here

Something to build on.

The last quarter drop off is a worry though and probably reflects the fitness / tank of select players and some of the rookies.

Edited June 23 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 15, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn	4.266	2	3.350	27.3	7	5
Steven May	3.739	3	3.213	16.4	8	5
C Oliver	3.613	4	5.002	-27.8	1	-3
Jake Lever <	3.483	5	3.131	11.2	9	4
T Rivers	3.379	6	3.696	-8.6	5	-1
C Salem <	3.365	7	2.993	12.4	12	5
A Tomlinson	3.306	8	2.915	13.4	14	6
Jack Viney	3.302	9	3.707	-10.9	4	-5
Ed Langdon	2.990	10	3.057	-2.2	10	0
A N-Bullen	2.982	11	2.532	17.8	20	9
T McDonald	2.960	12	2.054	44.1	27	15
Judd McVee	2.914	13	2.320	25.6	22	9
J Bowey <	2.602	14	2.820	-7.7	15	1
T Woewodin < >	2.577	15	1.406	83.3	34	19
T Sparrow	2.491	16	2.811	-11.4	16	0
K Pickett	2.398	17	2.101	14.1	26	9
B Howes	2.348	18	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.273	19	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.202	20	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.107	21	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.082	22	2.265	-8.1	23	1
J V Rooyen	1.994	23	2.170	-8.1	25	2
L Hunter* <	1.838	24	2.939	-37.5	13	-11
B Fritsch	1.779	25	2.324	-23.5	21	-4
B Laurie* < >	1.605	26	2.235	-28.2	24	-2
K Tholstrup	1.525	27	-	-	-	-
S McAdam*	1.483	28	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	29	1.941	-28.3	28	-1
D Turner	1.213	30	1.825	-33.5	31	1
C Spargo*	1.200	31	1.886	-36.4	29	-2
H Petty <	1.155	32	2.718	-57.5	19	-13
J Schache*	0.700	33	1.525	-54.1	33	0
K Brown* >	0.350	34	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	65.86		69.86	-5.7
Top 6	22.96		24.43	-6.0
Bottom 6	13.41		15.17	-11.6

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[DeeZone 9,798]

2 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 15, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn	4.266	2	3.350	27.3	7	5
Steven May	3.739	3	3.213	16.4	8	5
C Oliver	3.613	4	5.002	-27.8	1	-3
Jake Lever <	3.483	5	3.131	11.2	9	4
T Rivers	3.379	6	3.696	-8.6	5	-1
C Salem <	3.365	7	2.993	12.4	12	5
A Tomlinson	3.306	8	2.915	13.4	14	6
Jack Viney	3.302	9	3.707	-10.9	4	-5
Ed Langdon	2.990	10	3.057	-2.2	10	0
A N-Bullen	2.982	11	2.532	17.8	20	9
T McDonald	2.960	12	2.054	44.1	27	15
Judd McVee	2.914	13	2.320	25.6	22	9
J Bowey <	2.602	14	2.820	-7.7	15	1
T Woewodin < >	2.577	15	1.406	83.3	34	19
T Sparrow	2.491	16	2.811	-11.4	16	0
K Pickett	2.398	17	2.101	14.1	26	9
B Howes	2.348	18	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.273	19	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.202	20	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.107	21	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.082	22	2.265	-8.1	23	1
J V Rooyen	1.994	23	2.170	-8.1	25	2
L Hunter* <	1.838	24	2.939	-37.5	13	-11
B Fritsch	1.779	25	2.324	-23.5	21	-4
B Laurie* < >	1.605	26	2.235	-28.2	24	-2
K Tholstrup	1.525	27	-	-	-	-
S McAdam*	1.483	28	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	29	1.941	-28.3	28	-1
D Turner	1.213	30	1.825	-33.5	31	1
C Spargo*	1.200	31	1.886	-36.4	29	-2
H Petty <	1.155	32	2.718	-57.5	19	-13
J Schache*	0.700	33	1.525	-54.1	33	0
K Brown* >	0.350	34	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	65.86		69.86	-5.7
Top 6	22.96		24.43	-6.0
Bottom 6	13.41		15.17	-11.6

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD I’m thinking that we may see some of these numbers change quite rapidly as our younger set get the opportunity to play in roles that suit their skills more, Rivers in particular.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 25/06/2024 at 21:16, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD I’m thinking that we may see some of these numbers change quite rapidly as our younger set get the opportunity to play in roles that suit their skills more, Rivers in particular.

He might just end up being the find of the year (for us) in terms of the role change into the middle DZ.

Edited June 27 by Demon Dynasty

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Brisbane (Round 16, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20241602

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	64.6	67.9	-3.3
Kicking Efficiency	55.3	63.0	-7.7
Metres Gained	6270	6276	-6
Inside 50s	51	53	-2
Shots At Goal	29	30	-1
Shots Per Inside 50	56.9	56.6	+0.3
Contested Possessions	154	130	+24
Ground Ball Gets	107	96	+11
Intercepts	59	72	-13
Intercept Marks	5	17	-12
Centre Clearances	14	7	+7
Stoppage Clearances	26	27	-1
Contested Marks	14	13	+1
Marks Inside 50	10	14	-4
Hitouts	48	34	+14
Hitouts To Advantage	11	4	+7
Tackles	71	53	+18
Tackles Inside 50	14	7	+7
Def One On One Loss %	14.3	27.8	-13.5

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	8	2	+6
Loose Ball Get	23	18	+5
Contested Mark	1	2	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Contested Knock On	2	2	0
Free For	3	1	+2
Total	38	25	+13
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	4	6	-2
Loose Ball Get	11	13	-2
Contested Mark	2	1	+1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	18	22	-4
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	17	9	+8
Loose Ball Get	53	48	+5
Contested Mark	14	13	+1
Contested Knock On	7	3	+4
Free For	9	10	-1
Total	100	83	+17
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	15	15	0
Loose Ball Get	22	24	-2
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	2	+3
Gather From Hitout	10	2	+8
Contested Knock On	2	1	+1
Free For	0	3	-3
Total	54	47	+7

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	80.0	81	0	27%			+5.8
Brisbane	90.8	86	6	73%	+10.8	+5

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	29	11.15.81	37.9%	80.0	+1.0	2.76	+0.03
Brisbane	30	11.14.80	36.7%	84.8	−4.8	2.83	−0.16
General Play
Melbourne	15	4.9.33	26.7%	35.5	−2.5	2.36	−0.16
Brisbane	16	5.9.39	31.2%	41.2	−2.2	2.58	−0.14
Set Position
Melbourne	14	7.6.48	50.0%	44.6	+3.4	3.18	+0.24
Brisbane	14	6.5.41	42.9%	43.6	−2.6	3.12	−0.19

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	148	186	-38
2	199	204	-5
3	180	189	-9
4	161	181	-20
Match	172	190	-18

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	29	68	60.5
Alex Neal-Bullen	25	50	54.1
Clayton Oliver	21	50	45.6
Kysaiah Pickett	20	49	42.5
Koltyn Tholstrup	23	41	40.3
Kade Chandler	15	36	46.5
Harrison Petty	13	31	27.8
Tom Sparrow	14	29	44.9
Andy Moniz-Wakefield	13	28	28.0
Caleb Windsor	12	25	32.9
Trent Rivers	14	25	24.9
Ed Langdon	12	24	30.6
Tom McDonald	9	22	21.3
Judd McVee	12	20	15.1
Jacob van Rooyen	8	17	16.3
Taj Woewodin	7	17	14.5
Adam Tomlinson	8	16	21.8
Bayley Fritsch	7	16	15.7
Jake Lever	10	15	15.6
Kynan Brown	7	14	10.5
Max Gawn	6	12	23.9
Daniel Turner	5	10	12.3
Steven May	3	6	9.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	48%	52%
2	56%	44%
3	53%	47%
4	39%	61%
Match	48%	52%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	3.0.18	-18
Centre Bounce	2.3.15	0.1.1	+14
Stoppage (Other)	4.3.27	2.8.20	+7
Turnover	5.9.39	6.11.47	-8

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	2.5	18	2.7
Centre Bounce	15	11.1	1	6.5
Stoppage (Other)	27	22.7	20	19.9
Turnover	39	40.7	47	48.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Brisbane.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	15	11.1	1	6.5
Kick-in	D50	0	2.5	18	2.7
Stoppage (Other)	D50	1	1.9	1	1.7
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	1.9	0	2.1
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	20	12.7	15	9.2
Stoppage (Other)	F50	6	6.2	4	6.9
Turnover	D50	15	8.1	8	8.2
Turnover	Centre	7	7.1	2	8.3
Turnover	Wing	14	19.5	23	24.3
Turnover	F50	3	6.1	14	7.3

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	16	12.5	27	12.6
Centre	22	20.0	3	16.9
Wing	34	32.2	38	33.5
F50	9	12.3	18	14.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	16	12.5	27	12.6
Defensive midfield	21	18.6	24	18.3
Centre bounce	15	11.1	1	6.5
Attacking midfield	20	22.5	16	25.6
Forward 50	9	12.3	18	14.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Brisbane.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
37	31.1	51	30.9

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Brisbane.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	23	88%	85.2%	64.9%
Clayton Oliver	19	73%	71.2%	81.4%
Jack Viney	19	73%	68.1%	72.1%
Trent Rivers	18	69%	11.9%	3.0%
Tom Sparrow	15	58%	38.1%	44.9%
Kysaiah Pickett	4	15%	37.0%	11.2%
Alex Neal-Bullen	3	12%	14.8%	2.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	3	12%	13.0%	7.6%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	3.9%	0.7%
Koltyn Tholstrup	0	0%	2.7%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Christian Salem			17.6%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			4.4%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	80	80%	82.6%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	15	15%	14.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	5	5%	4.8%	2.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	80	41	11	26.5%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	15	7	0	24.5%	31.1%
Harrison Petty	5	0	0	31.8%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Oscar McInerney	82	32	4
Eric Hipwood	1	1	0
Joe Daniher	17	1	0

[titan_uranus 24,984]

3 goals conceded from kick in is disappointing. 

The pressure stats are also interesting. They were over 200 in the second quarter!

[Adam The God 30,209]

Our ground ball gets were back. We definitely went back to an old bash and crash contested forward half game. Similar to our 2018 style and Richmond's 2017-2020 formula. I'd much prefer to exploit McQualter's IP in this department.

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

3 goals conceded from kick in is disappointing. 

The pressure stats are also interesting. They were over 200 in the second quarter!

I wonder if this was a function of a more aggressive, higher press? No idea, just wondering. I hadn't noticed coast to coast goals, let alone 3!

Edited June 29 by Binmans PA

[binman 42,839]

9 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Our ground ball gets were back. We definitely went back to an old bash and crash contested forward half game. Similar to our 2018 style and Richmond's 2017-2020 formula. I'd much prefer to exploit McQualter's IP in this department.

I wonder if this was a function of a more aggressive, higher press? No idea, just wondering. I hadn't noticed coast to coast goals, let alone 3!

I don't actually think we did BPA - go back to our old model. At least not fully

Agree we were much more contest focused, more stoppages focused, went long down the line a bit more, and played that manic tigers template footy (all hallmarks of the traditional goody model). 

But, as evidenced by the stats (eg our time in forward half, inside 50 and intecept mark numbers - stat's we always dominated when our old method was humming) the method was a hybrid with the transition game we are implementing.

That's how we scored in the second quarter- transition footy combined with manic intensity.

For what it's worth, that's the model I see us playing come finals, with perhaps more emphasis on winning time in forward half and inside 50s.

[binman 42,839]

But I do agree on the high press. A combination of setting the defence deep and then pressing up quite aggressively. Particularly in the first half.

Forcing us to have to work back hard on turnover- something we struggled to do in the last quarter.

That is another difference to the old goody game plan.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

3 minutes ago, binman said:

I don't actually think we did BPA - go back to our old model. At least not fully

Agree we were much more contest focused, more stoppages focused, went long down the line a bit more, and played that manic tigers template footy (all hallmarks of the traditional goody model). 

But, as evidenced by the stats (eg our time in forward half, inside 50 and intecept mark numbers - stat's we always dominated when our old method was humming) the method was a hybrid with the transition game we are implementing.

That's how we scored in the second quarter- transition footy combined with manic intensity.

For what it's worth, that's the model I see us playing come finals, with perhaps more emphasis on winning time in forward half and inside 50s.

I’m an optimist like you Binman, but I can’t see us playing finals this year and that’s ok.

I was really impressed with how our young side took it up to the Lions, with some good games from our senior players. I was expecting a 4-5 goal loss, and after getting over the close loss I was proud of the effort.

I’d be interested to know the age differences between the two sides.

[Adam The God 30,209]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

I don't actually think we did BPA - go back to our old model. At least not fully

Agree we were much more contest focused, more stoppages focused, went long down the line a bit more, and played that manic tigers template footy (all hallmarks of the traditional goody model). 

But, as evidenced by the stats (eg our time in forward half, inside 50 and intecept mark numbers - stat's we always dominated when our old method was humming) the method was a hybrid with the transition game we are implementing.

That's how we scored in the second quarter- transition footy combined with manic intensity.

For what it's worth, that's the model I see us playing come finals, with perhaps more emphasis on winning time in forward half and inside 50s.

You're probably right, but some of the transition footy, I suspect, was more a result of trying to exploit Brisbane's inability to defend transition and that if we were playing a better defensive team, we'd rely more on stoppages and forward half turnovers for scores.

That handball chaining from half back is very 2022 MFC.

Our pressure ratings are also way down consistently these days. We rarely win the quarter for pressure and certainly rarely win the game for pressure.

Edited June 29 by Binmans PA

[binman 42,839]

10 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

You're probably right, but some of the transition footy, I suspect, was more a result of trying to exploit Brisbane's inability to defend transition and that if we were playing a better defensive team, we'd rely more on stoppages and forward half turnovers for scores.

That handball chaining from half back is very 2022 MFC.

Our pressure ratings are also way down consistently these days. We rarely win the quarter for pressure and certainly rarely win the game for pressure.

The handball chaining looks to be something they are really workomg hard to implement this season. Very noticeable, right back to the Tigers practice match.

Still very much a work in progress, and super frustrating to watch when it comes unstuck (KICK IT!!!!), but if we get it right, like we did in the second quarter, it is a real point of difference with other teams. 

For it work optimally, we need to be running in waves. And fir that we need be close to optimal fitness.