20 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

“We are a team that push the boundaries with training” also interesting. 

That was the most intriguing take for me.

It sounds like we're really at the forefront of player management and what we're trying to do with loads.

My interpretation anyway.

13 minutes ago, A F said:

That was the most intriguing take for me.

It sounds like we're really at the forefront of player management and what we're trying to do with loads.

My interpretation anyway.

13 minutes ago, A F said:

20 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

“We are a team that push the boundaries with training” also interesting. 

Perhaps Goodwin is a little neurodiverse... and he was being rigid with language. It could have been just a literal reference to Langdon who ostensibly stays right on the boundary line. 😇🤷‍♀️ Not a reference to different training regiemes and volume and intensity management.

Edited August 2, 20222 yr by Engorged Onion

18 hours ago, von said:

I can’t imagine that’s what they are measuring when looking at whether they are successful or not. Causing emotional responses and creating discussion points that stir debate would have to be number one with a bullet. I wish they were interested in educating the fans but I don’t see it. It feels more like a soap opera than a sport at times

Loading is not sexy...stirring debate and creating emotional responses keeps people dangling on the line.

I watched a bit of the couch last night.

Example..Tom Hawkins walking the length of the field to berate Tom Stewart & his fellow defenders was great leadership.

When Steven May has a go then it's dissent in the ranks, they're not a happy club...it's all falling apart.

David Noble didn't know how to handle the current generation, was too hard on the players. McVeigh, good on him for telling some truth, would love this level of honesty at my club.

Any wonder I've been turning this stuff off, it's pure garbage wrapped around the idea they are doing cutting edge analysis.

Healy's departure has hastened the demise of a once ok show...it's really poor now.

19 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Perhaps Goodwin is a little neurodiverse... and he was being rigid with language. It could have been just a literal reference to Langdon who ostensibly stays right on the boundary line. 😇🤷‍♀️ Not a reference to different training regiemes and volume and intensity management.

Yep, silly us and our confirmation bias.

By “pushing the boundaries”, might have also meant, pushing the mental boundaries? Peak ruthlessness?    :)) 

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Loading is not sexy...stirring debate and creating emotional responses keeps people dangling on the line.

I watched a bit of the couch last night.

Example..Tom Hawkins walking the length of the field to berate Tom Stewart & his fellow defenders was great leadership.

When Steven May has a go then it's dissent in the ranks, they're not a happy club...it's all falling apart.

David Noble didn't know how to handle the current generation, was too hard on the players. McVeigh, good on him for telling some truth, would love this level of honesty at my club.

Any wonder I've been turning this stuff off, it's pure garbage wrapped around the idea they are doing cutting edge analysis.

Healy's departure has hastened the demise of a once ok show...it's really poor now.

Well said. Is such a 50/50 as to which stance they will take. But one thing we know for sure is it will be exaggerated. 
 

Melk and the Freo jumper. You can imagine pre show, some debate about “do we go hard saying this is evidence of ruthlessness and why Melb turned it around”, or “should we keep banging on about the cultural problems Melb have this year” 

 

7 minutes ago, rjay said:

Example..Tom Hawkins walking the length of the field to berate Tom Stewart & his fellow defenders was great leadership.

The media are so invested in a Geelong flag (v Collingwood in the GF of course) that one of their players could punch a teammate and it would be described as being of benefit.

The extra preseason needed to win an AFL premiership: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-extra-preseason-needed-to-win-an-afl-premiership/news-story/387b8adb9ca703a89701cf7e0569994f

Some snippets:

• We were gluttons for punishment. We did an extra “pre-season” from Round 16 in 2007 - a preseason to get us ready for the finals.
• It was a pretty big ask when the idea was first raised. We had a new fitness and conditioning guy, and the idea was to split us up into three groups. Each group would rotate through a light week, medium week and heavy week...those in the light group needed to carry us on game day...
• They split it up so there were people from all different positions on the field in each group. We didn’t want to have all our forwards so tired they couldn’t sprint when it mattered.
• It was a big call to put us through that in the middle of the season, but in 2007 we were playing well, it gave us the confidence to do it. If we had lost a few of the games leading up to the finals we would still be at the top of the ladder, so there was less pressure.
• That extra preseason lasted only about six weeks...but the huge effort paid off. We were fitter than we had ever been come finals. And on that last Saturday in September we finally lifted the premiership cup.

- Cameron Mooney

15 minutes ago, qazwsx said:

The extra preseason needed to win an AFL premiership: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-extra-preseason-needed-to-win-an-afl-premiership/news-story/387b8adb9ca703a89701cf7e0569994f

Some snippets:

• We were gluttons for punishment. We did an extra “pre-season” from Round 16 in 2007 - a preseason to get us ready for the finals.
• It was a pretty big ask when the idea was first raised. We had a new fitness and conditioning guy, and the idea was to split us up into three groups. Each group would rotate through a light week, medium week and heavy week...those in the light group needed to carry us on game day...
• They split it up so there were people from all different positions on the field in each group. We didn’t want to have all our forwards so tired they couldn’t sprint when it mattered.
• It was a big call to put us through that in the middle of the season, but in 2007 we were playing well, it gave us the confidence to do it. If we had lost a few of the games leading up to the finals we would still be at the top of the ladder, so there was less pressure.
• That extra preseason lasted only about six weeks...but the huge effort paid off. We were fitter than we had ever been come finals. And on that last Saturday in September we finally lifted the premiership cup.

- Cameron Mooney

Oh ol!  This will upset some people! 

And that was 15 years ago!! Think how much sports science has developed since then. 

A key point being that they could push things to the max, because they had games up their sleeves. Clearly something they wouldn’t have done if a 50/50 for top 4 or top 8. 

Interesting also that it comes out 15 years later. I look forward to Trac talking us through the 2021/2022 loading programs around 2037

Edited August 2, 20222 yr by 1964_2

18 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Oh ol!  This will upset some people! 

And that was 15 years ago!! Think how much sports science has developed since then. 

A key point being that they could push things to the max, because they had games up their sleeves. Clearly something they wouldn’t have done if a 50/50 for top 4 or top 8. 

Interesting also that it comes out 15 years later. I look forward to Trac talking us through the 2021/2022 loading programs around 2037

Also interesting that the 'extra preseason' went for 6 weeks.

Now that is likely aprox 8 weeks, but otherwise pretty similar length.

1 hour ago, qazwsx said:

those in the light group needed to carry us on game day...

"because if you had been on a heavy training plan that week you were wrecked by the time you ran onto the field."

19 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I wish it was that easy, history would suggest  we have to keep Binman alive.  I believe it went a bit pear shaped when another cult leader many years was crucified, a few of his followers were  not long after then also taken out (and I’m not talking about being taken out for lunch!). 

Haha, brilliant. 😂

1 hour ago, qazwsx said:

The extra preseason needed to win an AFL premiership: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-extra-preseason-needed-to-win-an-afl-premiership/news-story/387b8adb9ca703a89701cf7e0569994f

Some snippets:

• We were gluttons for punishment. We did an extra “pre-season” from Round 16 in 2007 - a preseason to get us ready for the finals.
• It was a pretty big ask when the idea was first raised. We had a new fitness and conditioning guy, and the idea was to split us up into three groups. Each group would rotate through a light week, medium week and heavy week...those in the light group needed to carry us on game day...
• They split it up so there were people from all different positions on the field in each group. We didn’t want to have all our forwards so tired they couldn’t sprint when it mattered.
• It was a big call to put us through that in the middle of the season, but in 2007 we were playing well, it gave us the confidence to do it. If we had lost a few of the games leading up to the finals we would still be at the top of the ladder, so there was less pressure.
• That extra preseason lasted only about six weeks...but the huge effort paid off. We were fitter than we had ever been come finals. And on that last Saturday in September we finally lifted the premiership cup.

- Cameron Mooney

Great stuff. And you'd think the industry would have honed this further over the last 15 years.

51 minutes ago, binman said:

Also interesting that the 'extra preseason' went for 6 weeks.

Now that is likely aprox 8 weeks, but otherwise pretty similar length.

And now they start it earlier, particularly if you get early wins on the board.

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

"because if you had been on a heavy training plan that week you were wrecked by the time you ran onto the field."

Modern players are a lot fitter than 2007 though.

12 minutes ago, A F said:

Great stuff. And you'd think the industry would have honed this further over the last 15 years.

Yes, particularly because it has been happening since at least 1997 when blight won a flag with the crows.

This has been the closest anyone in the media has come to discussing the topic of loading. 

1 hour ago, qazwsx said:

The extra preseason needed to win an AFL premiership: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-extra-preseason-needed-to-win-an-afl-premiership/news-story/387b8adb9ca703a89701cf7e0569994f

Some snippets:

• We were gluttons for punishment. We did an extra “pre-season” from Round 16 in 2007 - a preseason to get us ready for the finals.
• It was a pretty big ask when the idea was first raised. We had a new fitness and conditioning guy, and the idea was to split us up into three groups. Each group would rotate through a light week, medium week and heavy week...those in the light group needed to carry us on game day...
• They split it up so there were people from all different positions on the field in each group. We didn’t want to have all our forwards so tired they couldn’t sprint when it mattered.
• It was a big call to put us through that in the middle of the season, but in 2007 we were playing well, it gave us the confidence to do it. If we had lost a few of the games leading up to the finals we would still be at the top of the ladder, so there was less pressure.
• That extra preseason lasted only about six weeks...but the huge effort paid off. We were fitter than we had ever been come finals. And on that last Saturday in September we finally lifted the premiership cup.

- Cameron Mooney

I wonder if anyone in the media will make the link to the contents of this article and Melbourne's (and others) midseason form slumps in premiership years.  I won't be holding my breath.

Edit: Just saw the date of the article - 19/04/2022.  Obviously had very little traction or care factor in the wider AFL media.

Edited August 2, 20222 yr by Vipercrunch

1 minute ago, layzie said:

This has been the closest anyone in the media has come to discussing the topic of loading. 

I dunno. I think it was pretty clear Chris Scott was talking about loading a couple of weeks ago.

People would prefer to look at other factors as to why we suddenly slumped in a mirror image to last year.

I'd suggest if we don't win the flag people next year will be saying the same thing. It'll be pretty hard to defend on the body evidence if we win another flag though.

3 minutes ago, A F said:

I dunno. I think it was pretty clear Chris Scott was talking about loading a couple of weeks ago.

People would prefer to look at other factors as to why we suddenly slumped in a mirror image to last year.

I'd suggest if we don't win the flag people next year will be saying the same thing. It'll be pretty hard to defend on the body evidence if we win another flag though.

When were the Scott comments again A F? I've either missed them or forgotten.

I think I mean more so from the pundits, the so called experts who ask the questions about the form slump and then try to answer with analysis. Your Kings, Montagnas, Lloyds etc

We did it 2004 and yeah, didn’t … go… well…

35 minutes ago, layzie said:

This has been the closest anyone in the media has come to discussing the topic of loading. 

Not so, it's been mentioned here and there over 25 years. The most common example is Craig at the Crows when Blight was coach.

Nevermind the date stamp this article is from 2007 (notice the Crows midfielder who is quoted in the article 🤔)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/crows-can-do-it-the-hard-way/news-story/8dbb81862363821fdf0a51548b4adb85

Also

"1997: Becomes fitness adviser and assistant coach of Adelaide. He plays a massive role in Adelaide winning back-to-back premierships. Craig had previously been a sports scientist at South Australian Institute of Sport. His “tapering” training is regarded as cutting edge among the AFL"

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/755571/neil-craig-timeline

Edited August 2, 20222 yr by Dr. Gonzo

23 minutes ago, layzie said:

When were the Scott comments again A F? I've either missed them or forgotten.

I think I mean more so from the pundits, the so called experts who ask the questions about the form slump and then try to answer with analysis. Your Kings, Montagnas, Lloyds etc

Scott's comments were after they beat Eagles in Perth about 6-8 weeks ago.

35 minutes ago, binman said:

Yes, particularly because it has been happening since at least 1997 when blight won a flag with the crows.

II remember studying periodisation in training for my level 2 coaching some time around 1990.

The concept has been out there for a while now.

39 minutes ago, binman said:

Yes, particularly because it has been happening since at least 1997 when blight won a flag with the crows.

Of which Goody was a key player 

39 minutes ago, layzie said:

This has been the closest anyone in the media has come to discussing the topic of loading. 

Crows 97-98 loading programs got heaps of attention and acknowledgement as key factors behind their flags. As well as their early adoption of sports science more generally. 

Goody might have been taking notes 

43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Not so, it's been mentioned here and there over 25 years. The most common example is Craig at the Crows when Blight was coach.

Nevermind the date stamp this article is from 2007 (notice the Crows midfielder who is quoted in the article 🤔)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/crows-can-do-it-the-hard-way/news-story/8dbb81862363821fdf0a51548b4adb85

Also

"1997: Becomes fitness adviser and assistant coach of Adelaide. He plays a massive role in Adelaide winning back-to-back premierships. Craig had previously been a sports scientist at South Australian Institute of Sport. His “tapering” training is regarded as cutting edge among the AFL"

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/755571/neil-craig-timeline

Without reading yet does his last name start with 'G' and end in 'oodwin'?