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On 5/26/2022 at 8:41 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

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Would like your thoughts on the rules around losing players to the new teams:

Each player in the competition has been assigned a points value which is calculated based on age, payment tier, career games and any awards they might have won. To keep their first round draft pick for the upcoming NAB AFLW Draft, existing clubs must lose a total of 28 points worth of players'. 

That looks quite Draconian.  Losing a first round pick is very harsh, especially if the target is missed because players don't want to be traded.

Other rules are listed in this article:  how-many-players-can-each-club-lose-expansion-rules-explained

Any idea what players we are at risk of losing or would be ok letting go?

Yeah, harsh but not surprising. They've always been content to weaken the established clubs during expansion, and as one of the most established clubs, yep, we lose out. They didn't 'punish' the successful clubs during the other expansions, so of course now that our success has shown through, they've added that while Adelaide have cruised along for years unrestricted.

To be fair, we've done very well out of the previous expansions compared to most others, though that seems to be down to good list management and a good culture, plus very little 'go home' factor among the recruits selected (the latter being a big thing for Brisbane, for example, who initially recruited heavily from Vic). Again, victim of our own success.

Of the three confirmed losses, only Tarrant qualifies as a loss to expansion so far. I don't know the ins and outs of the points system, but annoyingly I bet her points value won't reflect her actual talent - she'd have broken into and stayed in most other teams this season. Hopefully there'll be transparency about the totals as the trading unfolds.

As for who else would be ok to let go, it's a tough one. Tarrant, Parry and Petrevski were the obvious ones. Then there's Scott (but she'd be unlikely to play on elsewhere). Magee - again, would she be picked up by an expansion team? Unlikely. That's if she's continuing Aussie Rules. Sherriff and Mithen if we're really that keen on the first round pick?

At risk of being lured? No clue! The vibe is extremely positive, but it always looks like that from the outside. Who knows, maybe they're all deeply dissatisfied and we'll get to those 28 points with ease?

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    8 hours ago, Dees_In_October said:

    Yeah, harsh but not surprising. They've always been content to weaken the established clubs during expansion, and as one of the most established clubs, yep, we lose out. They didn't 'punish' the successful clubs during the other expansions, so of course now that our success has shown through, they've added that while Adelaide have cruised along for years unrestricted.

    To be fair, we've done very well out of the previous expansions compared to most others, though that seems to be down to good list management and a good culture, plus very little 'go home' factor among the recruits selected (the latter being a big thing for Brisbane, for example, who initially recruited heavily from Vic). Again, victim of our own success.

    Of the three confirmed losses, only Tarrant qualifies as a loss to expansion so far. I don't know the ins and outs of the points system, but annoyingly I bet her points value won't reflect her actual talent - she'd have broken into and stayed in most other teams this season. Hopefully there'll be transparency about the totals as the trading unfolds.

    As for who else would be ok to let go, it's a tough one. Tarrant, Parry and Petrevski were the obvious ones. Then there's Scott (but she'd be unlikely to play on elsewhere). Magee - again, would she be picked up by an expansion team? Unlikely. That's if she's continuing Aussie Rules. Sherriff and Mithen if we're really that keen on the first round pick?

    At risk of being lured? No clue! The vibe is extremely positive, but it always looks like that from the outside. Who knows, maybe they're all deeply dissatisfied and we'll get to those 28 points with ease?

    How many first round picks do the expansion clubs get as priority?

    With 18 teams our first pick is at best 17 and might be p pushed back further.

    We might be content to simply lose that and keep the list together.

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    1 hour ago, deanox said:

    How many first round picks do the expansion clubs get as priority?

    With 18 teams our first pick is at best 17 and might be p pushed back further.

    We might be content to simply lose that and keep the list together.

    Exactly right.  Losing a quality player just to be replaced by a speculative pick at 17 or higher may be not what is needed. 

    It would be nice to know the "black box" points system created by the AFL....are older or younger players worth more points?  Same sort of smoke and mirrors as compensation picks in the mens draft.

    At the end of the day this is only 1 draft pick, and hopefully status quo returns next year.

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    Draft order herein https://www.womens.afl/news/94642/what-picks-does-your-club-have-indicative-draft-order-revealed?_ga=2.79748183.1539775283.1651801920-1058869341.1629262583

    Saints have an extra 1st round pick (but lost their 3rd round) and the GCS have an extra end of 2nd round pick - special assistance apparently.  WCE also seem to have a draft pick upgrade.

    Dees, Adelaide and LIons forfeited first round picks for not giving away enough players to total the 28 pts

    iirc we anticipated the dilution of picks in this expansion draft and made some good trades for high picks two years ago so forfeiting a pick int he mid - 20's this year is no great loss. 

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    https://www.womens.afl/news/94179?_ga=2.178718948.1122198148.1653872951-1661021775.1652416813

    Lauren Magee not returning and Maeve Chaplin delisted. The Chaplin delisting seems more about giving us the minimum three draft picks, so wonder if we will pick her back up if nobody else swoops in first.

    Our first pick would have fallen somewhere beyond 27, so no big loss. If we otherwise keep our list together bar Tarrant, Parry and Petrevski, that's a great result. 

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    Is Goldie returning for this 2nd 2022 season?

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    Keeping the list together as much as possible keeps our flag window open. 

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    13 hours ago, dl4e said:

    Keeping the list together as much as possible keeps our flag window open. 

    Yes, especially when other contenders are loosing good players.

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    13 hours ago, dl4e said:

    Keeping the list together as much as possible keeps our flag window open. 

    And hopefully Adelaide lose more players. Erin Phillips a start but i would like to see one of Marinoff or Hatchard leave. There was talk of Hatchard to Port but its gone quiet. Marinoff's family are Port supporters

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    2 hours ago, BDA said:

    And hopefully Adelaide lose more players. Erin Phillips a start but i would like to see one of Marinoff or Hatchard leave. There was talk of Hatchard to Port but its gone quiet. Marinoff's family are Port supporters

    Phillips to Port had a bit of the Ablett to Gold Coast feel about it in terms of providing a new challenge to a player who as achieved everything, and giving greater opportunities to the next group of players coming through.

    I can't see why any of their other gun players would want to leave Adelaide unless they could be paid a truck load of money. That club is set up to challenge for premierships for years to come.

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    2 hours ago, poita said:

    Phillips to Port had a bit of the Ablett to Gold Coast feel about it in terms of providing a new challenge to a player who as achieved everything, and giving greater opportunities to the next group of players coming through.

    Her old man is a Port champion. She's Port Adeliade through and through. I don't think she leaves the Crows if Port were just another club

    2 hours ago, poita said:

    I can't see why any of their other gun players would want to leave Adelaide unless they could be paid a truck load of money. That club is set up to challenge for premierships for years to come.

    Money is a factor no question but they have already won 3 premierships. Perhaps the challenge of helping establish a new club would appeal

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    Kind of sad to see Scott leave but she was getting past it so I don't think there will be too much annoyance at Melbourne. She will also be closer to her cows. Colac I think.

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    Sorry to see Scott go as an original player and one who gave a lot, often under the radar, in seasons past. I thought she might sneak in another season with us, even as depth. She obviously wants to play on, good for her, and expansion has helped with that. Seems like a win-win for all involved. Her experience will be highly valued at the Cats.

    On 5/31/2022 at 7:45 PM, dl4e said:

    Keeping the list together as much as possible keeps our flag window open. 

    Finger's crossed! So far, so good, I reckon.

    On 5/31/2022 at 4:07 PM, poita said:

    https://www.womens.afl/news/94179?_ga=2.178718948.1122198148.1653872951-1661021775.1652416813

    Lauren Magee not returning and Maeve Chaplin delisted. The Chaplin delisting seems more about giving us the minimum three draft picks, so wonder if we will pick her back up if nobody else swoops in first.

    Our first pick would have fallen somewhere beyond 27, so no big loss. If we otherwise keep our list together bar Tarrant, Parry and Petrevski, that's a great result. 

    Agree Chaplin would be a good one to bring back on if possible.

    On 5/31/2022 at 6:20 PM, Meggs said:

    Is Goldie returning for this 2nd 2022 season?

    I really really really hope so. Apparently the new pay deal has caught attention in Ireland, so maybe she's got some more mates she can bring as rookies, too.

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    Petrevski departure made official and we've also lost youngster Simmons, who was yet to crack the team and had just made it back from injury into VFLW.

    https://www.womens.afl/news/94656?_ga=2.60496302.249922842.1654152283-2039777732.1654152283

    Changes so far:

    IN OUT
    Wilson (Carlton) Pick 42 (Vic 23)
    Ivey (Geelong); Pick 51 (Vic 26) Parry, Scott (Geelong)
    Pick 50 Petrevski, Simmons (WC), Pick 77
      Tarrant (Sydney)

     

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    I wonder if we have another move coming as we now have more than our required 3 list spaces free.

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    On 6/3/2022 at 8:38 AM, poita said:

    I wonder if we have another move coming as we now have more than our required 3 list spaces free.

    I guess not!

    By my reckoning, we've got 24 existing players listed, plus Ivey and Wilson. So 26.

    Updated Vic picks are 24, 27, 42, 51.

    Possibly could still elevate Goldrick and/or West from the rookie list if there are options there.

     

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    On the surface signing on a 34 year-old ruck who'll miss this season with an ACL seems unwise...

    But she'll go straight onto the inactive list, so won't take up a list spot. An ex-captain and described as a 'heart and soul' player for the Saints, so their decision to delist has not been well received.

    Apparently Melbourne listened to her ex-teammate's endorsement:

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    While we wait to hear about an injury replacement player for McNamara, some trivia:

     

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    The list is complete, with Ella Little signed as an injury replacement player to replace McNamara.

    From https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1201679 -

    Little, who hails from Millicent in South Australia, earns her opportunity after impressing for Woodville-West Torrens and as an overage player in the NAB AFLW National Championships.

    The 19-year-old is a strong-bodied utility and has most recently been working on her craft as an inside midfielder. She is known for her clean hands, both in the contest and aerially.

    Little was overlooked in the AFLW Draft earlier this year and has since been training with the Adelaide Crows as a train-on player.

    AFLW list manager Todd Patterson said the signing was reward for Little’s perseverance.

    “Ella is a versatile player, who has experience playing as a medium-tall forward and has recently developed as an inside midfielder.”

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    With such a strong list, it’s gonna be tough to get named in the 21 each week.  A nice problem to have for Mick Stinear.   Good luck to her.

    The 18 AFLW skippers were anonymously polled on which other club apart from their own is most likely to push into this year's Grand Final: Melbourne (eight votes), Brisbane (five votes), Adelaide Crows (four votes) and Fremantle (one vote).  

    Edited by Meggs

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    What happened to Sabreena Duffy? Played one practice match, had an injury scare, but isn't on the injured list now. Would surely walk into our forward line if available.

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    On 9/8/2022 at 4:31 PM, Supermercado said:

    What happened to Sabreena Duffy? Played one practice match, had an injury scare, but isn't on the injured list now. Would surely walk into our forward line if available.

    Apparently she's fine injury wise but not match fit yet. Building for Round 5-6 (this is according to a twitter comment I saw so no idea if verified). I know you're waiting for that crumb!

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