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4 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Hard to equate the Brownlow with the club Best and Fairest.

Players very rarely receive Brownlow votes when their side loses (I think Max Gawn receiving 2 was one of the few occasions this year). There were 8 games Melbourne lost where significant Brownlow votes weren't given to Melbourne players, but votes would have still been given to players in the Best and Fairest.

Maybe Viney works harder regardless of whether Melbourne wins or loses, hence gets more BaF votes?

This is a good point to make, I suspect many of us don't give this enough thought when contemplating the difference between Brownlow results and our B&F.

Not only do we cast votes in losses, but we score every player after every loss. So, in our blowout loss to Port where the entire side struggled, the umpires wouldn't have given us much consideration at all, but our match committee had to find a number between 0-10 for Oliver, Viney and everyone else.

(Although as an aside, we actually polled in almost all of our losses - Viney got 1 vs West Coast, Gawn got 2 vs Geelong, Gawn got 2 and Oliver got 1 vs Richmond, Oliver got 2 vs Brisbane, Gawn got 2 vs Sydney, Viney got 2 vs Fremantle. So the Port and Dogs losses were the only games all year where we didn't at least poll one vote).

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    6 hours ago, ProperDee said:

    The voting clearly indicated who the best ruckman in the comp is and it ain’t Naitanui.

    Is Lachie Neale the best mid in the comp and is Boak the second best?

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    55 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    Is Lachie Neale the best mid in the comp and is Boak the second best?

    Probably this season they were, over the 17 games.  I'd take a few others before them in an open draft but based on this season, I have no argument at all that they were the two best performed players. In relation to Gawn, which was the point of the post you replied to, he was clearly the best ruck in the comp until he got injured.  He was a unanimous choice for AA ruck in both Jake Niall's and Robbo's AA teams and Naitanui was not even in consideration at that stage.  After his injury, Naitanui had the better second half of the year and both were rightly selected in the team of the year.  I believe Gawn to be the more valuable player due to his marking ability.  I struggle to see how the best ruckman in the game can take only 11 marks for the season and average around 65% game time in 4 16 minute quarters. But it's just an opinion.

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    Steven May 4 votes. 
    Says it all really

     

    The Brownlow is nothing more than a glorified night out for the AFL

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    3 hours ago, roy11 said:

    3. I did not like Danger's suit.

    Here Here! Danger would have to be the biggest nerd of all time. No doubt rocked up to his school formal with the full 3 piece suit and vest.

    3 hours ago, roy11 said:

    2. Had money on Neale/Boak/Petracca trifecta - Winnings reduced 50% cos Jack Steele snuck it at the end to tie with Trac. So he is now my most hated player in the AFL

    Went the quinella with Steele in it and thankfully those top 4 were that far from the rest of the pack.

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    1 hour ago, Swooper1987 said:

    Probably this season they were, over the 17 games.  I'd take a few others before them in an open draft but based on this season, I have no argument at all that they were the two best performed players. In relation to Gawn, which was the point of the post you replied to, he was clearly the best ruck in the comp until he got injured.  He was a unanimous choice for AA ruck in both Jake Niall's and Robbo's AA teams and Naitanui was not even in consideration at that stage.  After his injury, Naitanui had the better second half of the year and both were rightly selected in the team of the year.  I believe Gawn to be the more valuable player due to his marking ability.  I struggle to see how the best ruckman in the game can take only 11 marks for the season and average around 65% game time in 4 16 minute quarters. But it's just an opinion.

    I'd take Gawn over Nic Nat any day, however Nic Nat for me was the standout ruckman this season, his work around the clearances is massive.

    He benefited more than anyone from the reduced quarters because it didn't expose his major weakness of not having the tank to run out full quarters and  opposition ruckman hurting him all over the ground.

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    Not impressed by Neale or Boak.

    Trac should have been given the medal as he had to travel by far the most of the contenders while the two leaders played on their home turf all season.

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    11 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

    Not impressed by Neale or Boak.

    Trac should have been given the medal as he had to travel by far the most of the contenders while the two leaders played on their home turf all season.

    If you want to go down this path, it would be hard to justify a player from any Victorian team winning the medal in future. All the interstate clubs travel much more than all the Victorian teams in a "normal" season.

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    On 10/19/2020 at 2:41 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

    Steven May 4 votes. 
    Says it all really

     

    The Brownlow is nothing more than a glorified night out for the AFL

    It reminds every kid who played junior as a key position player how the selfish mids got all the attention. Money for nothing and Kicks for free.

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