Jeeezzzz after reading Neale’s book and the type of instability at the top that he and the Team endured during his 10 year tenure, I think that the stability that we have enjoyed over the past 5 years should be applauded. We can never go back to that type of rabble again or there must be blood on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’

  On 23/01/2020 at 02:03, daisycutter said:

what is "off field culture"?..................

Yoghurt????

  On 23/01/2020 at 23:57, Mach5 said:

I’m not happy with the entirety of the club off-field, and they definitely don’t deserve praise. There needs to be a lot of change for us to have any real success, and some are downright derelict in their duty or negligent.

I’m not willing to say more at this time other than to call for much more scrutiny.

If the so called info you have is that detrimental to the club I would be revealing it for all to see regardless of the outcome and who's toes I stood on.

  On 24/01/2020 at 02:53, Mach5 said:

Generally exacerbated under Pert. Multitude of issues however.

M5

Surely you can name the issues as individual topics without detail ( if some exists) to give D/L ers the opportunity of being aware of the problems that you perceive are with our off field culture.

Otherwise I think you run the risk of criticising individual personnel or unfairly creating suspicion of some hard working and loyal efficient employees or unpaid volunteers  who al believe have acted very professionally to our problems if 2019.

Over to you M5. 

  On 24/01/2020 at 02:53, Mach5 said:

Generally exacerbated under Pert. Multitude of issues however.

Out of interest in your comments on this topic. Are they based on your own personal experience. Are you talking about how the Clubs dealing with sponsors or are you talking about other things as well. Are you talking internal staff issues, bad staff, staff being managed badly or what, or the way the Clubs dealing with external people. 
Providing this info shouldn’t compromise anyone and would help us to understand what you’re taking about. Otherwise this is very unhelpful splashing super negative stuff out there being totally non specific. 
Or are you just saying sponsorships are down so the admin and staff are therefore  crap. Ignoring other causes

  On 24/01/2020 at 15:25, dpositive said:

Yoghurt????

what is "off field culture"?..

Fresh cow manure straight from the paddock

Edited January 26, 20205 yr by Mydee

  On 24/01/2020 at 02:53, Mach5 said:

Generally exacerbated under Pert. Multitude of issues however.

I have zero information internally at Melbourne, however, do have on good authority he was toxic at Collingwood.

  On 26/01/2020 at 03:22, Wrecker45 said:

I have zero information internally at Melbourne, however, do have on good authority he was toxic at Collingwood.

NObody connected with collingwood can be described as "good" or an "authority"

Sporting administrators are the lowest form of human life on the planet ,particularly in Australia ,as sport is seen to be important here.

Go to your local bowling or cricket club if you don't believe me.

I have nearly zero respect for the off-field participants in our club.

We win in spite of them and mostly we lose because of them.

They are purely handicappers.

They are not worth the steam. Every win we get is a slap in the face to them.

They should really work for nothing, or just go home.

The players know who can play. The hangers on are wasting everyones money and more importantly their time.

Time is the only commodity worth worrying about and we have wasted so much of it.

  On 26/01/2020 at 03:22, Wrecker45 said:

I have zero information internally at Melbourne, however, do have on good authority he was toxic at Collingwood.

11 years at collingwood and a flag to go along with it, I hope he reaches the same level of toxicity at the MFC then.

  On 26/01/2020 at 06:16, Biffen said:

Sporting administrators are the lowest form of human life on the planet ,particularly in Australia ,as sport is seen to be important here.

Go to your local bowling or cricket club if you don't believe me.

I have nearly zero respect for the off-field participants in our club.

We win in spite of them and mostly we lose because of them.

They are purely handicappers.

They are not worth the steam. Every win we get is a slap in the face to them.

They should really work for nothing, or just go home.

The players know who can play. The hangers on are wasting everyones money and more importantly their time.

Time is the only commodity worth worrying about and we have wasted so much of it.

...what?

  On 26/01/2020 at 07:36, nacnud said:

...what?

 

  On 26/01/2020 at 06:16, Biffen said:

Sporting administrators are the lowest form of human life on the planet ,particularly in Australia ,as sport is seen to be important here.

Go to your local bowling or cricket club if you don't believe me.

I have nearly zero respect for the off-field participants in our club.

We win in spite of them and mostly we lose because of them.

They are purely handicappers.

They are not worth the steam. Every win we get is a slap in the face to them.

They should really work for nothing, or just go home.

The players know who can play. The hangers on are wasting everyones money and more importantly their time.

Time is the only commodity worth worrying about and we have wasted so much of it.

Maybe too many alcohol products today

  On 26/01/2020 at 06:48, drysdale demon said:

11 years at collingwood and a flag to go along with it, I hope he reaches the same level of toxicity at the MFC then.

Bomber Thomson coached a team to a flag when he was on ice. It doesn’t mean things are going well.

  On 26/01/2020 at 07:58, Wrecker45 said:

Bomber Thomson coached a team to a flag when he was on ice. It doesn’t mean things are going well.

@drysdale demon i’m sure you are well aware of that inDrysdale

  On 26/01/2020 at 07:52, drysdale demon said:

 

Maybe too many alcohol products today

You sound like s sports administrator.

  On 26/01/2020 at 09:00, Biffen said:

 

 

  On 26/01/2020 at 08:01, Wrecker45 said:

@drysdale demon i’m sure you are well aware of that inDrysdale

Not sure what you mean by that fella.

Edited January 26, 20205 yr by drysdale demon
correction

  On 26/01/2020 at 09:00, Biffen said:

You sound like s sports administrator.

As I posted before maybe too many alcoholic drinks today for you, bit of dutch courage eh

  On 26/01/2020 at 10:25, drysdale demon said:

 

Not sure what you mean by that fella.

Assume you live in Drysdale. Bomber made quite the impression when he was on the bellarine peninsular.

Stories are legendary.

First year players would go to home house  (night club in Geelong) and leave before him. He’d Go straight through to the next training.

  On 26/01/2020 at 10:59, Wrecker45 said:

Assume you live in Drysdale. Bomber made quite the impression when he was on the bellarine peninsular.

Stories are legendary.

First year players would go to home house  (night club in Geelong) and leave before him. He’d Go straight through to the next training.

I moved to Drysdale from Kensington in 2011 so I didn't know anything what may have have occurred with Thompson or GFC.

  On 26/01/2020 at 00:18, It's Time said:

Out of interest in your comments on this topic. Are they based on your own personal experience. Are you talking about how the Clubs dealing with sponsors or are you talking about other things as well. Are you talking internal staff issues, bad staff, staff being managed badly or what, or the way the Clubs dealing with external people. 
Providing this info shouldn’t compromise anyone and would help us to understand what you’re taking about. Otherwise this is very unhelpful splashing super negative stuff out there being totally non specific. 
Or are you just saying sponsorships are down so the admin and staff are therefore  crap. Ignoring other causes

Sadly, I’m aware of examples of all of the above. I’m not sure what I can do personally but I’m certain that it begins at the top. 

  On 26/01/2020 at 10:59, Wrecker45 said:

Assume you live in Drysdale. Bomber made quite the impression when he was on the bellarine peninsular.

Stories are legendary.

First year players would go to home house  (night club in Geelong) and leave before him. He’d Go straight through to the next training.

Bomba had a fair old crack at my housemate after he’d shacked up with Kingsley’s missus, but it was one of the few times she decided she had standards. He was a menace.

  On 29/01/2020 at 01:19, Mach5 said:

Sadly, I’m aware of examples of all of the above. I’m not sure what I can do personally but I’m certain that it begins at the top. 

Thanks for responding. Jeez we all thought the Club was in great shape with all the work PJ did and the Roos succession. Roos succession is looking a bit shaky and PJ left a very nasty situation for his successor. I totally agree with the exit from Pokies but would have thought they would have done it in a transition so they could replace the revenue rather than leave a gaping revenue hole when we run so close to the wind. Sounds like he left a lot of staffing issues as well. I heard the culture under him was very laid back. 

I thought Perty would be walking in with facilities all but finalised, the footy dept in the best position it's been in ever, great admin staff, memberships and revenue set to take off. Turns out the place was a basket case and we thought it was flying. At least we have Board stability and a very experienced CEO. No disrespect to Josh Mahoney's future potential as a CEO but can you imagine him stepping in to the footy dept and sitting down with Goody to move review the FD and move people on. Not to mention all these other issues. I for one am very grateful Perty came on board when he did. There's evidently a lot to fix.

  On 29/01/2020 at 01:54, It's Time said:

Thanks for responding. Jeez we all thought the Club was in great shape with all the work PJ did and the Roos succession. Roos succession is looking a bit shaky and PJ left a very nasty situation for his successor. I totally agree with the exit from Pokies but would have thought they would have done it in a transition so they could replace the revenue rather than leave a gaping revenue hole when we run so close to the wind. Sounds like he left a lot of staffing issues as well. I heard the culture under him was very laid back. 

I thought Perty would be walking in with facilities all but finalised, the footy dept in the best position it's been in ever, great admin staff, memberships and revenue set to take off. Turns out the place was a basket case and we thought it was flying. At least we have Board stability and a very experienced CEO. No disrespect to Josh Mahoney's future potential as a CEO but can you imagine him stepping in to the footy dept and sitting down with Goody to move review the FD and move people on. Not to mention all these other issues. I for one am very grateful Perty came on board when he did. There's evidently a lot to fix.

I wouldn't be taking too much notice yet of what mach 5 is posting, he still has not told us anything.

  On 29/01/2020 at 01:54, It's Time said:

Thanks for responding. Jeez we all thought the Club was in great shape with all the work PJ did and the Roos succession. Roos succession is looking a bit shaky and PJ left a very nasty situation for his successor. I totally agree with the exit from Pokies but would have thought they would have done it in a transition so they could replace the revenue rather than leave a gaping revenue hole when we run so close to the wind. Sounds like he left a lot of staffing issues as well. I heard the culture under him was very laid back. 

I thought Perty would be walking in with facilities all but finalised, the footy dept in the best position it's been in ever, great admin staff, memberships and revenue set to take off. Turns out the place was a basket case and we thought it was flying. At least we have Board stability and a very experienced CEO. No disrespect to Josh Mahoney's future potential as a CEO but can you imagine him stepping in to the footy dept and sitting down with Goody to move review the FD and move people on. Not to mention all these other issues. I for one am very grateful Perty came on board when he did. There's evidently a lot to fix.

 

I know that PJ had certain concerns when he moved on, and I think they are a key contributor. I also think we’d be in better shape with Mahoney in charge, and the key areas where Pert supposedly excelled over Mahoney have failed so far to bear any fruit whatsoever. Frankly, I’m curious at to what the hell he has been doing other than stroking his own ego.

A lot of staff have been moved on or left of their own accord, but they have largely been the ones we should have worked to keep. I can foresee how some of these issues are going to hurt us long term but those in a position of influence seem to be oblivious.

Edited January 29, 20205 yr by Mach5

  On 29/01/2020 at 02:07, Mach5 said:

 

I know that PJ had certain concerns when he moved on, and I think they are a key contributor. I also think we’d be in better shape with Mahoney in charge, and the key areas where Pert supposedly excelled over Mahoney have failed so far to bear any fruit whatsoever. Frankly, I’m curious at to what the hell he has been doing other than stroking his own ego.

A lot of staff have been moved on or left of their own accord, but they have largely been the ones we should have worked to keep. I can foresee how some of these issues are going to hurt us long term but those in a position of influence seem to be oblivious.

Then why didn't he address them when he was there. The comments you are making sound like you are getting your info from PJ or his camp who apparently made it clear they were against Pert's appointment because it stopped his succession plan. I'm no fan of PJ's, he left a s@#t sandwich for whoever his successor was going to be. Blew $400k on a feasibility study on Yarra Park without bothering to speak to the people that control the Park. Then leaked it to the press before anyone else could talk to them.  If he had he would have found out it was never going to happen. Shocker. Then dropping $900,000 in revenue from pokies immediately with no transition or contingency plan. Shocker. 

Clearly experience with facilities, membership and commercial growth would have been amongst Pert's strengths over Mahoney. Of course they haven't born any fruit yet for reasons mainly to do with what PJ left and the team's performance. I'm curious why you think we would we have been in better shape with Mahoney?  

You're uninformed anti Pert bias is shining through if you don't know "what the hell he has been doing."  You've stated yourself he's moved a lot of staff on, obviously he didn't think they were good enough and he's got better people in. I'd back his judgement over PJ's, your's or mine. He carried out the earliest FD review I've ever seen which resulted in getting in his ex teammate Alan Richardson before a lot of other Clubs who were after him, clearing out some problematic coaches, getting in Burgess, the ultimate we could have hoped for and having 23 medical and conditioning staff moved on and upgraded in the FD. He's main focus has been fixing the facilities mess PJ left behind and starting all over again from scratch to find a suitable site. 

It's so easy to criticise when we're in the middle of a crisis. Let's get behind the Club. We've got plenty to worry about without what is now becoming clear is biased, negative, uninformed opinion not based on fact. 

 

  On 29/01/2020 at 02:01, drysdale demon said:

I wouldn't be taking too much notice yet of what mach 5 is posting, he still has not told us anything.

Yep, agree. I take a lot of what I read on here with a grain of salt but sometimes people provide fact based information which is great to read. It'a becoming clear that's not what he's doing.