Ross Lyon Sacked

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Tu Quoque

As always, take what I post however you wish bing181. I try to generally post things that have some kind of basis in fact, but if you wish to indulge more in the roundabouts of internet forums go right ahead. I don't hold any grudge against anyone here.

[monoccular 17,573]

2 hours ago, frankie_d said:

Lyon speaks really well. And he's got a good footy brain, I think.

I"d have him in a heartbeat... but that might not be a popular view!

“Lyon speaks really well.”

Are you serious. 

I would rank him on the dreadfully boring scale right  alongside Bernie Fraser and Alan Fells .... no doubt know a bit of their own stuff  but dreary and uninspiring as they come. 

Edited August 20, 2019 by monoccular

[Cards13 9,117]

5 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Update: Have been told that Worsfold is in the running for the Freo job. Worsfold v Scott, who will get the job? #NonstopbreakingAFLnews

 Now that is a riddle!!! Worsfold or Scott coaching your team... Would you rather stab yourself in the left nipple or the right nipple?

[monoccular 17,573]

20 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

 Now that is a riddle!!! Worsfold or Scott coaching your team... Would you rather stab yourself in the left nipple or the right nipple?

Forget the nipple, cards.   Jugular sounds far quicker and less painful. 

[Fork 'em 6,991]

Players mum whines her darling boy isn't getting a game ..... Spare me.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Fork 'em

[Lord Nev 13,512]

8 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Players mum whines her darling boy isn't getting a game ..... Spare me.

That's not what was said. But sure, let's ignore what people with inside knowledge of the club say, that worked out really well when Shaun Smith complained about Misson who then ended up being practically demoted a short time later.

Much more reputable info to be had from anonymous posters on Demonland...

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

I suspect Ross Lyon is a very polarising figure. Clearly some players love him (think Zac Dawson, but also, if I recall correctly,  Nick Reiwoldt) but it seems to me that his demands might wear his players down. I also think he's been a poor judge of football character and has been involved in bringing to both his clubs players with flaws (psychological as well as known physical risks) that have ultimately wasted opportunities (Andrew Lovett, Colin Sylvia, Harley Bennell, maybe Jesse Hogan and possibly others). With limited list numbers each flawed selection is costly. We've seen it ourselves. In short, I suspect Lyon has been his own worst enemy by putting the powers-that-be at Fremantle off-side.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

That's not what was said. But sure, let's ignore what people with inside knowledge of the club say, that worked out really well when Shaun Smith complained about Misson who then ended up being practically demoted a short time later.

Much more reputable info to be had from anonymous posters on Demonland...

I still don't belive that Misson was demoted and I still haven't seen anything other than uninformed groupthink on Demonland that has proven that Joel Smith's injury (OP) was related in any way to being put back on the ground during that practce match.

Edited August 20, 2019 by La Dee-vina Comedia
typo

[Lord Nev 13,512]

12 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I still don't belive that Misson was demoted and I still haven't seen anything other than uninformed groupthink on Demonland that has proven that Joel Smith's injury (OP) was related in any way to being put back on the ground during that practce match.

I'm not making comment on the injury, I'm not a doctor nor have I seen Joel's medical records. I wouldn't have a clue tbh.

As far as Misson goes, here's some sources on him being effectively put aside:

"With elite performance manager David Misson to move to Canada with his family at season's end, the Demons have appointed Dr Zeeshan Arain as head of medical services for the rest of the season, while Phil Merriman will lead the strength and conditioning department. Misson will oversee the transition until his departure."

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“We looked at the whole department and said, ‘How can we set up a better structure, how can we set up better programs and processes?’, and that probably took three or four weeks of internal interviews with staff, players and coaches.

“We’ve got a structure we’ll put as an interim structure for the remainder of the year and we think it’s an opportunity to look for improvements, but also setting us up for next year when Misso isn’t here.

“Misso will now oversee the implementation of this structure and complete a variety of specific initiatives for the rest of this year.”

Melbourne seeks opportunities to improve

 

"The high performance manager role is about people management now so we will have a good look at how the structure plays out, the positives and negatives," Mahoney said.

Demons revamp coaching structure mid-season in radical move

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

34 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm not making comment on the injury, I'm not a doctor nor have I seen Joel's medical records. I wouldn't have a clue tbh.

As far as Misson goes, here's some sources on him being effectively put aside:

"With elite performance manager David Misson to move to Canada with his family at season's end, the Demons have appointed Dr Zeeshan Arain as head of medical services for the rest of the season, while Phil Merriman will lead the strength and conditioning department. Misson will oversee the transition until his departure."

Dees' coach shake-up, chase for ex-Arsenal performance guru begins

 

“We looked at the whole department and said, ‘How can we set up a better structure, how can we set up better programs and processes?’, and that probably took three or four weeks of internal interviews with staff, players and coaches.

“We’ve got a structure we’ll put as an interim structure for the remainder of the year and we think it’s an opportunity to look for improvements, but also setting us up for next year when Misso isn’t here.

“Misso will now oversee the implementation of this structure and complete a variety of specific initiatives for the rest of this year.”

Melbourne seeks opportunities to improve

 

"The high performance manager role is about people management now so we will have a good look at how the structure plays out, the positives and negatives," Mahoney said.

Demons revamp coaching structure mid-season in radical move

Thanks, although I note that nothing provided shows that Misson was "practically demoted". Changes were made, improvements have been sought, but it does not appear to be correct to say, from the information available, that Misson was in any way "demoted".

Edited August 20, 2019 by La Dee-vina Comedia
typo

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Thanks, although I note that nothing provided shows that Misson was "practically demoted". Changes were made, improvements have been sought, but it does not appear to be correct to say, from the information available, that Misson was in any "demoted".

Sure, you can interpret it how you wish, just as I have. Clearly the club isn't going to come out and say he was underperforming so they demoted him.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Sure, you can interpret it how you wish, just as I have. Clearly the club isn't going to come out and say he was underperforming so they demoted him.

Fair comment

[beelzebub 23,383]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Sure, you can interpret it how you wish, just as I have. Clearly the club isn't going to come out and say he was underperforming so they demoted him.

It's very rare, if ever, a club will actually every come out and in plain English tell you the reality of anything. It amuses me anyone actually waits for them to do so. There's "footy speak" for a reason. Politicians and Football Clubs seem to have the same elocution.

Edited August 20, 2019 by beelzebub

[Lord Nev 13,512]

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Fair comment

And to be clear, I'm not bagging out the bloke like we've both seen everywhere. He's clearly an experienced qualified professional, but my interpretation of the situation was the club felt they needed to change things.

[TGR 1,367]

20 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm not making comment on the injury, I'm not a doctor nor have I seen Joel's medical records. I wouldn't have a clue tbh.

As far as Misson goes, here's some sources on him being effectively put aside:

"With elite performance manager David Misson to move to Canada with his family at season's end, the Demons have appointed Dr Zeeshan Arain as head of medical services for the rest of the season, while Phil Merriman will lead the strength and conditioning department. Misson will oversee the transition until his departure."

Dees' coach shake-up, chase for ex-Arsenal performance guru begins

 

“We looked at the whole department and said, ‘How can we set up a better structure, how can we set up better programs and processes?’, and that probably took three or four weeks of internal interviews with staff, players and coaches.

“We’ve got a structure we’ll put as an interim structure for the remainder of the year and we think it’s an opportunity to look for improvements, but also setting us up for next year when Misso isn’t here.

“Misso will now oversee the implementation of this structure and complete a variety of specific initiatives for the rest of this year.”

Melbourne seeks opportunities to improve

 

"The high performance manager role is about people management now so we will have a good look at how the structure plays out, the positives and negatives," Mahoney said.

Demons revamp coaching structure mid-season in radical move

Let the cobbler do the cobbling.

[TGR 1,367]

15 hours ago, monoccular said:

“Lyon speaks really well.”

Are you serious. 

I would rank him on the dreadfully boring scale right  alongside Bernie Fraser and Alan Fells .... no doubt know a bit of their own stuff  but dreary and uninspiring as they come. 

You may have a point with the monotonic delivery, but Lyon’s content is second to none.  Goody is young but gives us rhetoric.  Lyon can’t be questioned even going back to the transcript.

 

In terms of content, Lyon speaks footy very very well.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

6 minutes ago, TGR said:

Let the cobbler do the cobbling.

Haha topical, I like it. Nicely played.

[Kent 2,914]

51 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Thanks, although I note that nothing provided shows that Misson was "practically demoted". Changes were made, improvements have been sought, but it does not appear to be correct to say, from the information available, that Misson was in any way "demoted".

and whats improved since??

 

[Mach5 4,768]

13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

That's not what was said. But sure, let's ignore what people with inside knowledge of the club say, that worked out really well when Shaun Smith complained about Misson who then ended up being practically demoted a short time later.

Much more reputable info to be had from anonymous posters on Demonland...

 

You have got to be joking.

I’ve seen plenty of rubbish recently, but this is next level. You’re completely re-writing events of a few months ago! Misson has been leaving of his own accord for some time. 

[dazzledavey36 55,318]

In all saying that,  it's a no from me in regards to Lyon

Edited August 21, 2019 by dazzledavey36

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

You have got to be joking.

I’ve seen plenty of rubbish recently, but this is next level. You’re completely re-writing events of a few months ago! Misson has been leaving of his own accord for some time. 

Let's agree to play nice hey?

I wasn't talking about Misson leaving at the end of this year, I was talking about the fitness department reshuffle that happened simultaneously to the coaching reshuffle. You're welcome to view it differently, but the way I interpreted Mahoney's comments was that they were moving Misson to a more external role and moving other staff more into the player management roles.

I have nothing against Misson, as I've stated previously, he's well regarded in the footy industry, but clearly whenever a football club is changing your role midseason things aren't going well (just ask Brendan McCartney). Perhaps it was just a matter of trying something different given our run of injuries this year.

[Mach5 4,768]

11 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Let's agree to play nice hey?

I wasn't talking about Misson leaving at the end of this year, I was talking about the fitness department reshuffle that happened simultaneously to the coaching reshuffle. You're welcome to view it differently, but the way I interpreted Mahoney's comments was that they were moving Misson to a more external role and moving other staff more into the player management roles.

I have nothing against Misson, as I've stated previously, he's well regarded in the footy industry, but clearly whenever a football club is changing your role midseason things aren't going well (just ask Brendan McCartney). Perhaps it was just a matter of trying something different given our run of injuries this year.

 

Mate, it’s not even a coherent argument from you. You’ve sarcastically implied we ignored Shaun Smith’s complaints, and then within the same sentence implied that Misson has left the club as a result of what led to those (erroneous) complaints (although we apparently ignored them).

Wake up.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

Mate, it’s not even a coherent argument from you. You’ve sarcastically implied we ignored Shaun Smith’s complaints, and then within the same sentence implied that Misson has left the club as a result of what led to those (erroneous) complaints (although we apparently ignored them).

Wake up.

No, I did not imply Misson left the club as a result of that. I pointed out his role was changed midseason, which is clearly not a good sign.

I've already explained this to you multiple times so clearly you're more interested in just having arguments on the internet with people you've got a problem with for some reason.

I've tried to straighten things up and converse with you like a grown up but it seems you're incapable of that, so I'm moving on from this roundabout. Cheers.

[Mach5 4,768]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

No, I did not imply Misson left the club as a result of that. I pointed out his role was changed midseason, which is clearly not a good sign.

I've already explained this to you multiple times so clearly you're more interested in just having arguments on the internet with people you've got a problem with for some reason.

I've tried to straighten things up and converse with you like a grown up but it seems you're incapable of that, so I'm moving on from this roundabout. Cheers.

 

Ok, you’re implying his role changed as a result of Smith’s complaints or because he was not competent, which is again, just plain wrong. It’s amateurish and it’s embarrassing.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Mach5 said:

Ok, you’re implying his role changed as a result of Smith’s complaints or because he was not competent, which is again, just plain wrong. It’s amateurish and it’s embarrassing.

Ok, one last time... That is not what I implied. I have never said Misson's role was changed due to comments by a player parent.

I've said his role was changed, which is an indicator of performance on the back of our injury management this year.

I've said a player's parent complained about injury management, which is somewhat of an indicator of performance, but wouldn't be what the club bases their decision on.

I'm not sure if you've just misinterpreted what I wrote or you're deliberately trying to keep this going now.