42 minutes ago, dieter said:

All this blame game analysis is peeing into the wind. Just about every post about this topic is looking for a scapegoat. The bottom line is the team Roos and Goodwin coached and put together was good enough to get us into the Prelim Final last year. Apart from the loss of Kent and Hogan - both for reasons we'll probably not get to the bottom of, though the Kent issue surely was to do with his Injury track record, and Hogan's wasn't that much better - our list is almost the same as last years, presumably better with the addition of May and Kollo. In the meantime, the Injury Fate Gods have not been kind to us. Post season surgeries also didn't help. 

In other words, what's with the Blame Game??????

Many posts in this thread are hell bent on potting Roos for our trades/recruits and state of our list.

I'm not trying to blame anyone.  Simply pointing out that Taylor and Viney are primarily responsible for List Management/Recruiting and it is unfair bias to focus on Roos who left several years ago. 

As an aside, I happen to think our list is in good shape and that Taylor, Viney, Goodwin and Mahoney all want success and will do whatever they need to do to fix any deficiencies.  Happy to wait till the 2020 season shapes up.

Edited April 27, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

4 hours ago, rjay said:

I think Mahoney will be gone at the end of this year...

Port's win now trades haven't worked for them only Rockliffe is playing at the moment out of that group.

The young talent is driving them from underneath.

That would be interesting. Unfortunately clubs don’t invest smartly in Footy managers so there’s probably not a huge list of capable replacements.

Ryder has been handy and Lycett has been great. Otherwise I agree. Their kids have been amazing, but the guys that made them think they had a good list - Westhoff, Boak, Ebert, Jonas, Wines, Gray have been great as well. The strength of our list in our top 10 or so players should keep us in good health as long as we can make some smart moves and nail some picks 

19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unfortunately clubs don’t invest smartly in Footy managers so there’s probably not a huge list of capable replacements.

Balme was a good strategic investment at Richmond, Collingwood were smart in getting Walsh on board after losing him.

I would look at Gubby...he's probably the only one out there with experience and guile to do a good job. Never thought I would say that but...

9 hours ago, A F said:

Absolutely. We had a bit of a reputation in 2017 of being trash talkers (ala GWS - notice they haven't made a GF either), hence Goodwin's constant calls in 2018 of being humble.

I reckon we got ahead of ourselves at the back end of 2017. That's cultural and the fact that Lewis has to send an email around to the players to ensure they stayed on target, that to me, speaks volumes for the rest of the leaders and the culture inside the club.

It follows that not a great deal has changed. 

Let's be clear though. This is not the only issue at play with our poor form.

Lewis sent an email around to the players???

First, haven't heard of this, when did he do this and what is he supposed to have said?

Second, an email??? Why didn't he send a fax? Or a telegram? Or carrier pigeon?

22 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Lewis sent an email around to the players???

First, haven't heard of this, when did he do this and what is he supposed to have said?

Second, an email??? Why didn't he send a fax? Or a telegram? Or carrier pigeon?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/jordan-lewis-puts-melbourne-players-mind-on-the-job-after-bing-win-against-west-coast/news-story/eae39a2f331e99ecd0288957c0e4bfd3

https://www.google.com/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2018-james-harmes-lifts-the-lid-on-the-email-that-set-the-tone-for-melbourne/news-story/c9d87c489445df79dcbd8ff942601927

22 hours ago, A F said:

Absolutely. We had a bit of a reputation in 2017 of being trash talkers (ala GWS - notice they haven't made a GF either), hence Goodwin's constant calls in 2018 of being humble.

I reckon we got ahead of ourselves at the back end of 2017. That's cultural and the fact that Lewis has to send an email around to the players to ensure they stayed on target, that to me, speaks volumes for the rest of the leaders and the culture inside the club.

It follows that not a great deal has changed. 

Let's be clear though. This is not the only issue at play with our poor form.

100%. Not to say Lewis is immune from criticism here but he is definitely phoning it in this last year. It seriously seems like he's given up trying to be an effective leader with this mob. I'd hazard a guess the likes of Jones, Viney wouldn't have taken kindly to Lewis being brought in for "leadership" purposes. It's kind of an insult to their own capabilities, no?

One moment stood out on Wednesday night. City end, defensive 50. Jones, Viney, Oliver, all goal side. Gawn wins the tap easily into space, Richmond scoops it up and has a shot on goal, albeit for a behind. At the moment I lost my [censored] because you quite literally had the leadership group all in one place (bar Oliver), and they literally handed Richmond an easy shot on goal. 

Some people here just don't see it. Any defensive breakdown, any structural issues: this is as much a complete and utter breakdown of leadership as it is any defensive ineptness in isolation. I don't think it's a surprise that both Oliver and Brayshaw seem to be playing such uninspiring football at the moment. The team and club has been crying out for a changing of the guard for years.

10 minutes ago, praha said:

100%. Not to say Lewis is immune from criticism here but he is definitely phoning it in this last year. It seriously seems like he's given up trying to be an effective leader with this mob. I'd hazard a guess the likes of Jones, Viney wouldn't have taken kindly to Lewis being brought in for "leadership" purposes. It's kind of an insult to their own capabilities, no?

One moment stood out on Wednesday night. City end, defensive 50. Jones, Viney, Oliver, all goal side. Gawn wins the tap easily into space, Richmond scoops it up and has a shot on goal, albeit for a behind. At the moment I lost my [censored] because you quite literally had the leadership group all in one place (bar Oliver), and they literally handed Richmond an easy shot on goal. 

Some people here just don't see it. Any defensive breakdown, any structural issues: this is as much a complete and utter breakdown of leadership as it is any defensive ineptness in isolation. I don't think it's a surprise that both Oliver and Brayshaw seem to be playing such uninspiring football at the moment. The team and club has been crying out for a changing of the guard for years.

Leadership and Attitude to relentless hard work is what the MFC have lacked for 55 years. 

We always fall over after a peak....

On 4/26/2019 at 8:19 PM, Moonshadow said:

So the players play for history, the colors red and blue, and jumper? Righto.

I thought they played for their teammates and for premierships. How silly am I.

That's working out well. You want to give em another 18 years to do nothing? 

roos can't be blamed for goodwin's decisions. jesus christ! roos just wanted to coach for a couple seasons before doing media full time. Sure he helped in choosing Goodwin as an understudy but he was focused on just coaching us. 8 games ago everyone was cheering roos' name after the finals victories now people are looking to blame him. ffs!

if it wasnt for roos we would never have experienced finals.

On 4/26/2019 at 5:14 PM, sisso said:

Speed isn’t as big an issue as our team getting beaten in contested and uncontested ball every week, without even mentioning our deplorable decision making and ball use....while we could do with more pace there is no way the current side should be playing as badly as it is, and a few quicker players won’t help until we start getting the fundamentals of the game right again.

This. 

We were lacking outside speed last year too,  yet we made a prelim. 

Yes we have needed outside run for years but it's far from our main concern right now. 

1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

This. 

We were lacking outside speed last year too,  yet we made a prelim. 

Yes we have needed outside run for years but it's far from our main concern right now. 

Its more important (speed/run) now, under 666,  than last year, imv.