Farewell Jesse Hogan

[beelzebub 23,392]

Just now, McQueen said:

I find this really unprofessional from an 'assistant coach' to make this statement, if true of course.

 

It might be distasteful...but some things are said off the record . They can be blunt...and seemingly fly in the face of 'official statements' .

A reason I seldom take much notice of officialdom is because it is a construct.  

Officially... it's a recent course of direction that Jesse leaves the club. There was plenty of discussion away from the public eye and certain circles knew not only of his imminent move but that this was likely as of about 6-7 months back. As indeed was his near departure at eos2O17 .

There are still elements that may never break the surface, but they are there.

Some comments made to me by people of the club , people who know the club and other contributors certainly paint interesting stories  , not just of Jesse. Am I surprised ? No, because clubs are made up of characters that suffer the human condition. Stuff happens. Much of it irrelevant to the play of the day.

Also...as people,  club officials may not always share the same opinions. 

All in all...I'm not all that surprised. There's very few Saints in the province of Demons.

Anyhow.... he's someone else's job to deal with. Not ours.

 

[drysdale demon 4,837]

27 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

From a reliable source . . .

Direct confirmation from an assistant coach about Hogan: “we’re glad he's gone - very hard to deal with”.
 

It's easy come up with crap like this when you don't name the source or the coach and some people just believe anything that may be said to them it is called gullibility.

[McQueen 17,867]

11 minutes ago, dieter said:

I fail to understand why you'd think that. It's as though an assistant coach is not allowed to have an opinion, or, even worse, such an observation must not be made public. It's as plain as day that the Melbourne brains thrust had no qualms about his imminent departure so there must have been issues. If there weren't the 'issues' rumours would not keep bubbling to the surface.

His dummy spits when umpires failed to reward him surely must have been one of the issues, an issue which Jesse seemed incapable of addressing.

Or, maybe it was his 'Kicking 'Coach who despaired Jesse would ever lose that convoluted inclination to hold the ball as if he was going to kick it with his left foot...

 

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

It might be distasteful...but some things are said off the record . They can be blunt...and seemingly fly in the face of 'official statements' .

A reason I seldom take much notice of officialdom is because it is a construct.  

Officially... it's a recent course of direction that Jesse leaves the club. There was plenty of discussion away from the public eye and certain circles knew not only of his imminent move but that this was likely as of about 6-7 months back. As indeed was his near departure at eos2O17 .

There are still elements that may never break the surface, but they are there.

Some comments made to me by people of the club , people who know the club and other contributors certainly paint interesting stories  , not just of Jesse. Am I surprised ? No, because clubs are made up of characters that suffer the human condition. Stuff happens. Much of it irrelevant to the play of the day.

Also...as people,  club officials may not always share the same opinions. 

All in all...I'm not all that surprised. There's very few Saints in the province of Demons.

Anyhow.... he's someone else's job to deal with. Not ours.

 

It goes against the ethos the club is currently and successfully developing.

"We're glad he's gone" are pretty strong words.

[layzie 34,490]

Anything good happen on here today?

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,969]

10 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It's easy come up with crap like this when you don't name the source or the coach and some people just believe anything that may be said to them it is called gullibility.

Take what you like and leave the rest DD.

[beelzebub 23,392]

13 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It's easy come up with crap like this when you don't name the source or the coach and some people just believe anything that may be said to them it is called gullibility.

Then of course there is stuff which is quite factual...but some choose to observe the confidence of the person concerned, or simply the name of the source.

It's up to you what YOU actually believe.

[Lampers 563]

57 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

From a reliable source . . .

Direct confirmation from an assistant coach about Hogan: “we’re glad he's gone - very hard to deal with”.
 

Have heard similar.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,969]

2 minutes ago, Lampers said:

Have heard similar.

Actually . . . what was passed onto me contained a brutal assessment beyond what I've shared here.  

[binman 44,764]

5 hours ago, dieter said:

I was at that game in Box Hill: he kicked 5 of them in the first half, he kicked some from a long way out, and he was marking everything that came his way. I also know someone who has known and followed Sam from his junior days and he has told me we ain't seen nothing yet. He is also full of praise for Sam as a human being. This guy is not a Demon supporter either...

The upside for weed is huge. He is still growing and another two off seasons and he will be formidable.

Strong, heavy but athletic and takes the ball high.

His ruck work improved out of sight last season, which speaks volumes in terms of a player willing to do the work to improve. 

Love his kicking action too. Smooth.

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

34 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Then of course there is stuff which is quite factual...but some choose to observe the confidence of the person concerned, or simply the name of the source.

It's up to you what YOU actually believe.

I've worked out your real identity - you're either the Dali Lama, or E.Kant. 

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

21 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Actually . . . what was passed onto me contained a brutal assessment beyond what I've shared here.  

go on, throw a tasty morsel... ?

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,333]

33 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Take what you like and leave the rest DD.

Especially on the night they drove ol' Dixie down ...

[drysdale demon 4,837]

38 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Then of course there is stuff which is quite factual...but some choose to observe the confidence of the person concerned, or simply the name of the source.

It's up to you what YOU actually believe.

Well I would not believe anything from an anonymous poster on an internet site quoting an anonymous source, information supplied by an anonymous coach, but if fools wish to believe then go for it.

[beelzebub 23,392]

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

Well I would not believe anything from an anonymous poster on an internet site quoting an anonymous source, information supplied by an anonymous coach, but if fools wish to believe then go for it.

I'm not asking you to 

Cheers

[drysdale demon 4,837]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

I'm not asking you to 

Cheers

I can see you would believe anything

[beelzebub 23,392]

7 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I can see you would believe anything

I'd just like to point out... irrespective of what you know; you have no idea who I am, who I might know, indeed what I might know.

What I choose to believe is my decision, as is yours whatever you choose. Invariably what I believe has some foundation and corroboration. That said I'm quite able to acknowledge that someone else might know something also, something different. I can accept the possibility without subscribing.

What you believe  I can't comment on nor care. 

It might be the only thing we agree upon us a desire to see the Dees prosper.

Cheers

[Adam The God 30,665]

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

I find this really unprofessional from an 'assistant coach' to make this statement, if true of course.

 

Might have been 'very hard to deal with... the speculation that came with his contract renewal every season or so'.

Also, in regards to who replaces the goals kicked by Hogan, yes, Weideman, Melksham etc, but the guy who many are overlooking is one, Christian Petracca.

He had a pretty consistent season and matched De Goey's stats without having a breakout game, yet journalists are frothing over De Goey. Petracca is the one for us. If he kicks into gear next season, which feels likely, we're going to be incredibly difficult to beat, providing our midfield can maintain its consistency.

Edited October 22, 2018 by A F

[beelzebub 23,392]

33 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

I've worked out your real identity - you're either the Dali Lama, or E.Kant. 

Or simply the Devil's Advocate

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

40 minutes ago, A F said:

Might have been 'very hard to deal with... the speculation that came with his contract renewal every season or so'.

Also, in regards to who replaces the goals kicked by Hogan, yes, Weideman, Melksham etc, but the guy who many are overlooking is one, Christian Petracca.

He had a pretty consistent season and matched De Goey's stats without having a breakout game, yet journalists are frothing over De Goey. Petracca is the one for us. If he kicks into gear next season, which feels likely, we're going to be incredibly difficult to beat, providing our midfield can maintain its consistency.

I didn't believe you - but you are right...

I wonder how many of those gimme's goals he sprayed,  even if 75% were converted would have topped up his goal tally for the year...

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=4041&pid2=4043&fid1=S&fid2=S

Edited October 22, 2018 by Engorged Onion

[dieter 3,325]

32 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Or simply the Devil's Advocate

Anyway, Beel - I am one of the few literary trypes (sic) on this syte(sic) who knows you are really DA Devil! Emmanuel K, eat your heart out. And that Dalai just keeps getting fatter from Tibetan Takeaways...

[beelzebub 23,392]

1 minute ago, dieter said:

Anyway, Beel - I am one of the few literary trypes (sic) on this syte(sic) who knows you are really DA Devil! Emmanuel K, eat your heart out. And that Dalai just keeps getting fatter from Tibetan Takeaways...

I did offer him the advice of watching those carbs !!!

[dieter 3,325]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I did offer him the advice of watching those carbs !!!

Yes, I try to avoid lentils myself.

[The Red Fox 216]

47 minutes ago, A F said:

Might have been 'very hard to deal with... the speculation that came with his contract renewal every season or so'.

Also, in regards to who replaces the goals kicked by Hogan, yes, Weideman, Melksham etc, but the guy who many are overlooking is one, Christian Petracca.

He had a pretty consistent season and matched De Goey's stats without having a breakout game, yet journalists are frothing over De Goey. Petracca is the one for us. If he kicks into gear next season, which feels likely, we're going to be incredibly difficult to beat, providing our midfield can maintain its consistency.

De Goey 2.3 goals a game. Trac 0.8...

[beelzebub 23,392]

3 minutes ago, dieter said:

Yes, I try to avoid lentils myself.

very gassy

[dieter 3,325]

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

very gassy

Our Capricorn Fundamentalist daughter will simply not countenance the addition of one lentil to the Bolognaise sorce (sic).