7 hours ago, DV8 said:

This is the danger; bathwater next, than arrogance. and cockiness. then nightclub troubles, et al .

Lets not go down that pathway.

If they win a flag, the whole team can go on a coke bender for all I care.

I wont be in any fit state to make judgement.......

6 hours ago, deanox said:

I know there is a "football department cap" but I hope that if we truly believe that people like Jennings, McCartney,  Taylor, Rawlings, Matthews et al are the reason for our emergence and growth that we throw a bit of coin their way and try and tie them up together for another 2 or so years so that we can achieve success as a group. Success and premiership have to mean something for the coaching/support staff too, if we can keep the best of them together for longer (before they seek other opportunities) we'll be in a great position. 

Thakfully that cap exists, otherwise, Eddy, Jeff and the big end of the footy town would be throwing around money like confetti to poach these guys.

If Jennings and Co. are smart (which I'm thinking the are), then they will stick around, finish what they have started and hopefully deliver the ultimate success. That will add more to their future value than going to some hack club willing to immediately pay them more but missing the building blocks for success.  It would also give them the credit in the bank the new club administration to stay the course should things take a bit of a bumpy road, like they have for Brendon Bolton at Carlton.

Furthermore just as onfeild success is about being part of a champion team, I think the same would also apply off feild, would any one of these guys (Jennings, Taylor, McCarthy etc) be able to turn around a clubs fortunes on their own?  Don't think so.  I hope team sucess means more to the off feild team than a bit of quick coin and furthermore, they'd also be weighing up long term stability over a short term high risk, high reward  (hopefully Jennings financial strategy isn't the same as his on feild tactics!).  The impression I get is that Josh Mahoney is also a pretty good operator and one thing, the Peter Jackson, Paul Roos leadership has certainly created in their time at the club seems to be good off feild management and stability.  Let's hope that continues as history shows it's such a vital ingredient to onfeild sucess.

Whilst I haven't been able to read the article, I think Roos and Goody deserve their due credit for the way we are presently playing.  Their role in all this cannot be underrated either and as good as Jennings may be tactically, their are other dimensions to coaching where he would also need to deliver and without knowing the guy, it's hard to understand if he has those skill sets and experience. Interperonal skills/people management and temperament seem to be fairly high on the list of attributes required by successful coaches - even more so these days than in years gone by.  Where Jennings would be starting from a position of disadvantage were he to become a senior coach in his own right, is the inherent respect that playing the game at the elite level would bring with the playing group and I think this is another of the strengths thay Roos and Goodwin bought to their coaching.

There has been a ton of positive media articles about us recently, mostly generic, however the last few days a lot of media have started hedging their bets by putting forward articles about Collingwood’s improvement and a possible upset today. At the same time, the overwhelming number has tipped us to win (obviously more anxious to fare well in their respective newspaper’s tipping competition then test the text in their own articles)! Go Dees! 

Jennings was talked up a few weeks ago as the perfect 2.I.C. to Worsfold. 

He worked at Ess from 2005 to 2014 under Sheedy, Knights, Hird and alongside Goodwin, McCartney and 'Bomber'.

In 2015 he went to the Bulldogs to work with Macca who was ousted at the same time.  At the end of 2016 he left the Bulldogs for the Demons to join up again with ex Ess colleagues, Macca and Goodwin and to work with Roos.

That is three premiership coaches he has worked with (four if we count playing in North Melb U-19 Premiership team, coached by Dennis Pagan).  Goodwin handed him the coaching reins for the preseason games and he won them all.  And if he helps us get to a flag his CV will be the best in the business. 

Once he does the AFL Coach accreditation course he will be more than ready to coach in his own right. 

In the meantime plenty of clubs will chase him.  It seems to me that he moves clubs for the right reasons.  I would be surprised if he left us to go and understudy another coach while we are in a premiership window.

Edited June 10, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I wonder how he'd go building a culture and developing a list though.

He may be perfect in a Chris Scott getting-handed-the-keys-to-a-Ferrari type situation.

33 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I wonder how he'd go building a culture and developing a list though.

The good ole 'Peter Principle', maybe?

11 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

What success? Are we getting ahead of ourselves? 

Didn't you read the article? AFLX premiers!

8 hours ago, Skuit said:

The curious thing for me is that (for those who can't get around the paywall, the basic gist is that Jennings is a master at breaking down the opposition and a game) we don't seem to apparently care that much about the opposition.

We've instituted a fairly stubborn game-plan and have played on our terms for the past three or so years - hence why people think Goodwin is a poor game-day coach (and Roos before him) and why we have been done in the past when the opposition puts a lot of work into us.

Maybe if they were suggesting that Jennings is an elite master-tactician, and devised our current game-plan, or if he was focused on the breakdowns and individual players, and the reason then that we dominate the contested - but otherwise I'm not sure if it's just some fluff. 

Where was this article two months ago when we were dismantled by Hawthorn? And have we done anything obvious since to counter our opposition or is it just a matter of clicking and our team playing with confidence to our own plan? 

The article appeared because he was seen on Fridays channel 7 coverage next to Goodwin. Fluff article that fills a quota.

8 hours ago, Skuit said:

The curious thing for me is that (for those who can't get around the paywall, the basic gist is that Jennings is a master at breaking down the opposition and a game) we don't seem to apparently care that much about the opposition.

We've instituted a fairly stubborn game-plan and have played on our terms for the past three or so years - hence why people think Goodwin is a poor game-day coach (and Roos before him) and why we have been done in the past when the opposition puts a lot of work into us.

Maybe if they were suggesting that Jennings is an elite master-tactician, and devised our current game-plan, or if he was focused on the breakdowns and individual players, and the reason then that we dominate the contested - but otherwise I'm not sure if it's just some fluff. 

Where was this article two months ago when we were dismantled by Hawthorn? And have we done anything obvious since to counter our opposition or is it just a matter of clicking and our team playing with confidence to our own plan? 

1/ Press is not so high

2/ Players in positions that suit their attributes (e.g. Brayshaw in middle, Not playing Tyson on a wing).

3/ Viney’s return improves midfield / spreads load

4/ T Mac’s return creates more space in forward line (aerobic capacity) and helps conversion from our insides 50s.

 

 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The article appeared because he was seen on Fridays channel 7 coverage next to Goodwin. Fluff article that fills a quota.

A lot of truth to him being a great strategist however.

Has Jennings played at the highest level?

I know it's not always a popular view and there are great examples in other sports but I don't think a coach will make it in AFL unless they have.

It's such a different game and culture that players will naturally listen more to someone that has done it.

Bolton maybe finding this out the hard way now...

Just now, rjay said:

Has Jennings played at the highest level?

I know it's not always a popular view and there are great examples in other sports but I don't think a coach will make it in AFL unless they have.

It's such a different game and culture that players will naturally listen more to someone that has done it.

Bolton maybe finding this out the hard way now...

 he played u19s at norf (premiers)

13 hours ago, deanox said:

I'm thinking that you can't hold them forever, as promotion will await!

Of course, and attrition via 'the best rise to the top', and those who can't get opportunities, then can be traded out, or delisted, as is the norm.

8 hours ago, faultydet said:

If they win a flag, the whole team can go on a coke bender for all I care.

I wont be in any fit state to make judgement.......

Naturally fltydt... but the Key word, is after.   NOT getting ahead of the horse.

7 hours ago, TRIGON said:

1/ Press is not so high

2/ Players in positions that suit their attributes (e.g. Brayshaw in middle, Not playing Tyson on a wing).

3/ Viney’s return improves midfield / spreads load

4/ T Mac’s return creates more space in forward line (aerobic capacity) and helps conversion from our insides 50s.

 

Question was about what we're doing to counter our opposition. See today.