From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-11/quarters-ladder-where-does-your-club-rank

Remember it was only a few years ago that the only positive commentators or those on here could find was that we won more quarters than we had the year before. 

Perhaps we are winning the wrong quarters

Hmmmmmmmmm!

It's more about the quarters we are losing and how much by that is of more interest I think, last week was as close to 4Q effort we have seen in a very long time.

You can win 3 out of 4 quarters and still lose....

Edited May 11, 20186 yr by SFebey

  On 11/05/2018 at 00:21, SFebey said:

It's more about the quarters we are losing and how much by that is of more interest I think, last week was as close to 4Q effort we have seen in a very long time.

You can win 3 out of 4 quarters and still lose....

Agreed. The more important stat is the %. No use winning 3 quarters a game by a point and lose 1 by 40.

  On 11/05/2018 at 00:21, SFebey said:

It's more about the quarters we are losing and how much by that is of more interest I think, last week was as close to 4Q effort we have seen in a very long time.

You can win 3 out of 4 quarters and still lose....

It'd be an interesting exercise to see how many quarters have been lost by say 20+ points, given that around 55% of games finish within 30 points (don't quote me on that I found it online somewhere), so a loss of that size would go a long way in the contest.

Just be interesting to compare what we've done compared to the better sides, I think this is something that we're still working on fixing and will go a long way to getting us back to finals. If I get time later I'll look at that, unless anyone knows of a quick resource for that info? 

How's that last quarters stat. 5-2-0.... but have been outscored by 30 points overall.

  On 11/05/2018 at 00:54, Dappa Dan said:

How's that last quarters stat. 5-2-0.... but have been outscored by 30 points overall.

That's where the stat is more meaningful. 

  On 11/05/2018 at 00:54, Dappa Dan said:

How's that last quarters stat. 5-2-0.... but have been outscored by 30 points overall.

Richmond and Hawthorn took us apart in those last quarters and I cannot recall a win when we have run away in the last quarter.

It brings up one of my bug bears about the game plan... we should have minor variants that reflect risk/ reward dependent upon conditions and scoreboard.

When you are 40 points up and want percentage you tweak the plan to play with a higher risk/reward strategy knowing that you can flip the switch and move to another variant if required.

Having watched and listened at the huddles at a number of VFL games the instructions to players are rather vanilla which given the amount paid to tacticians is surprising. Of course there is the "top secret money ball".

Edited May 11, 20186 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 11/05/2018 at 03:03, Diamond_Jim said:

Richmond and Hawthorn took us apart in those last quarters and I cannot recall a win when we have run away in the last quarter.

It brings up one of my bug bears about the game plan... we should have minor variants that reflect risk/ reward dependent upon conditions and scoreboard.

When you are 40 points up and want percentage you tweak the plan to play with a higher risk/reward strategy knowing that you can flip the switch and move to another variant if required.

Having watched and listened at the huddles at a number of VFL games the instructions to players are rather vanilla which given the amount paid to tacticians is surprising. Of course there is the "top secret money ball".

Meh. I dunno whether I care all that much about the statistical variation. Heart says that this is one of those times where a statistical oddity is just that and nothing more. There's about 100 more important things going on than that.

On another note, since Roos took over I remember him talking about how rebuilding a list comes with small things like winning quarters. I'd love to see the quarters won stats for his tenure + Goody's tenure. Our "bad" games under Roos, we'd be lucky to win a quarter... then we got to the point that we'd be the best side for one and a half quarters, which resulted in some gallant losses. Last year we were right on the 1:1 ratio of good and bad quarters. I feel like now we really are playing 3 good quarters in total, with about 20-30 minutes of horrible footy when our A-grade starters are resting up an end or on the bench.

I'm very much using stats to back up an overall point in a loose way... but tbh I think our big name guys are still some of the best in the league. It's our worst 6 in the 22 each week who go missing. Harmes, ANB... you know the ones... Hunt I would have had closer to the best 6 than the worst before round 1 this year, but he's been a shadow of himself this year. Likewise OMac was everyone's favourite whipping boy, right now he'd be comfortably in our B and F top 10.

Same story as last year... Pretty sure we were top 4 or 5 for quarters won yet finished 9th. Certainly frustrating, just shows how damaging those quarters we switch off for cost us! 

Edit: Yep 5th for quarters won last year

Edited May 11, 20186 yr by JV7

We are top 4 without Viney, with Viney we will eventually be top 2.

A much more useful stat is the ladder. It takes into account all metrics.

Its better to win qtrs than lose... But you can win just one qtr and win a game

Something for the PowerPoint brigade perhaps ?

A4 quarter effort   And kick 4 goals s quarter will win far more games than you lose 

  On 11/05/2018 at 08:17, beelzebub said:

A much more useful stat is the ladder. It takes into account all metrics.

Its better to win qtrs than lose... But you can win just one qtr and win a game

Something for the PowerPoint brigade perhaps ?

Except for who you played and who's coming up next.

We really need some big quarters in the next 2 weeks percentage is important.

We have made up for the shocker against Richmond with the wins against Essendon and St.Kilda but we haven't made up for the shocker against the Hawks.

The next 2 weeks are extremely important a loss to either or both Gold Coast and Carlton would be disastrous. We have to look at these 2 weeks as percentage boosters.

  On 11/05/2018 at 08:21, 640MD said:

A4 quarter effort   And kick 4 goals s quarter will win far more games than you lose 

So we consider 16 goals a ‘high score’ now? Sheesh 

  On 11/05/2018 at 11:34, Chook said:

Except for who you played and who's coming up next.

How does that actually work as a metric. What value can be given ? What result is noted ?How is it used ?

  On 11/05/2018 at 11:34, Chook said:

Except for who you played and who's coming up next.

The ladder on the AFL we site now shows this, which I think is kind of handy.

One of the other stats that were pretty high up (or at least we'e a few weeks ago) is runs of unaswered goals kicked against us.  I think that stat combined with the quarters won stat explains our ladder position.

It really is a game of four quarters.