OUR BEST 22

[Diamond_Jim 12,570]

56 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I'll give this a go as it is always a bit of fun.

One thing I feel we've got wrong to start the season and that was rectified against the Bombers is the balance within the side. We have played some players who may be 'in form', but including them limits the overall team. Wagner is the prime example, I'm not knocking him as I think he has been decent, but really he is fighting for a similar spot to Hibberd and having them both seemed to hurt our drive from the backline. I also think we were playing too many 'inside' type players and need the outside run, with Hannan provided last week.

B:      Jetta           O Mac         Hibberd

HB:   Hunt           Lever           Lewis

c :     Salem         Jones         Vince

HF:   Trac            Hogan         Melksham

F:     T Mac          Weid            Garlett

R:     Gawn          Oliver           Viney

Int:  Tyson          Brayshaw      Hannan       Fritsch

Emg:  Spargo      Frost        Harmes      Neal-Bullen

This is assuming all players are at their best. I love little Spargo but if Garlett finds his best form he is a proven, 40 goal a year small forward so he has to be in. I think Harmes and Neal-Bullen have good potential and are long-term players but they just miss out and Frost is an obvious back-up for a tall if required.

I didn't like when we played the small forward line, I don't think it works for us and you need genuine gun small forwards which we probably don't quite have. We need to play to our strengths and the biggest is that we have two of the most mobile KPF's in the game in Hogan and TMac so Weid can easily play as the 3rd tall and back up ruck.

pretty well spot on and almost unarguable assuming Weid shows something in the next couple of weeks. Similarly Hunt needs to give some drive off half back.

Garlett v Spargo is interesting and like most I would agree with your thoughts. Great however to see that we are having the debate. If Spargo can have say 6 games for the year at the level of last Sunday we will have a valuable player. He has a certain ball sense that few players have.

Looking longer term I suspect that Oskar Baker will be the next to debut.

Harmes and ANB v Hannan and ??? is perhaps an area worthy of discussion.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[Demon17 5,188]

2 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I'll give this a go as it is always a bit of fun.

One thing I feel we've got wrong to start the season and that was rectified against the Bombers is the balance within the side. We have played some players who may be 'in form', but including them limits the overall team. Wagner is the prime example, I'm not knocking him as I think he has been decent, but really he is fighting for a similar spot to Hibberd and having them both seemed to hurt our drive from the backline. I also think we were playing too many 'inside' type players and need the outside run, with Hannan provided last week.

B:      Jetta           O Mac         Hibberd

HB:   Hunt           Lever           Lewis

c :     Salem         Jones         Vince

HF:   Trac            Hogan         Melksham

F:     T Mac          Weid            Garlett

R:     Gawn          Oliver           Viney

Int:  Tyson          Brayshaw      Hannan       Fritsch

Emg:  Spargo      Frost        Harmes      Neal-Bullen

This is assuming all players are at their best. I love little Spargo but if Garlett finds his best form he is a proven, 40 goal a year small forward so he has to be in. I think Harmes and Neal-Bullen have good potential and are long-term players but they just miss out and Frost is an obvious back-up for a tall if required.

I didn't like when we played the small forward line, I don't think it works for us and you need genuine gun small forwards which we probably don't quite have. We need to play to our strengths and the biggest is that we have two of the most mobile KPF's in the game in Hogan and TMac so Weid can easily play as the 3rd tall and back up ruck.

Good effort D is G.  I think it also has an aspect on transition and succession planning.  Fritsch has earned it now, but Spargo will by end of year  so as an emergency recognises this.  By end of year two other spots needed - for Lewis and Vince maybe???  Hunt may be a bit lucky too.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,729]

2 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Good effort D is G.  I think it also has an aspect on transition and succession planning.  Fritsch has earned it now, but Spargo will by end of year  so as an emergency recognises this.  By end of year two other spots needed - for Lewis and Vince maybe???  Hunt may be a bit lucky too.

My hope is that we bring in Gaff as a replacement for the two..... may be just a dream though.

He would compliment our side perfectly as that gut running outside mid.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Best 22 is whoever is on the park for that week as injuries / form and match ups play a huge part.

But to take a stab and for a bit of fun.... this season's best 22 performers/form players* for mine so far...

B:      Jetta          O-Mac      Wagner

HB:   Lewis         Lever        Hibberd

Ctr:   Hannan    Jones       Salem

HF:   Tracc         Hogan        Kent

F:      Fritsch       T-Mac       Spargo

R:      Gawn         Oliver        Viney*

Int:    Tyson        Vince       Melksham    Brayshaw/Harmes#

Emergencies:   Harmes/Brayshaw#    Pedersen   Garlett   ANB

* The one exception - an obvious auto inclusion

#Couldn't split Harmes/Brayshaw (toin coss).

Edited May 5, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

23 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Best 22 is whoever is on the park for that week as injuries / form and match ups play a huge part.

But to take a stab and for a bit of fun.... this season's best 22 performers/form players* for mine so far...

B:      Jetta          O-Mac      Wagner

HB:   Lewis         Lever        Hibberd

Ctr:   Hannan    Jones       Salem

HF:   Tracc         Hogan        Kent

F:      Fritsch       T-Mac       Spargo

R:      Gawn         Oliver        Viney*

Int:    Tyson        Vince       Melksham    Brayshaw/Harmes#

Emergencies:   Harmes/Brayshaw#    Pedersen   Garlett   ANB

* The one exception - an obvious auto inclusion

#Couldn't split Harmes/Brayshaw (toin coss).

Personally I think it's easy to split Harmes and Brayshaw, Brayshaw is a lot better.

Did you deliberately miss Hunt, don't like Wagner at all? 

[D4Life 2,469]

For mine:

Hunt over Wagner

Vince or Lewis out (can’t play both)

Garlett over Kent 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Personally I think it's easy to split Harmes and Brayshaw, Brayshaw is a lot better.

Did you deliberately miss Hunt, don't like Wagner at all? 

I don't think he is a lot better Werridee at this point..

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I298279,CD_I297899&comparisonTab=h2h

In certain areas such as interceptions (clearly ahead), goal assists and center clearances he has a slight advantage, whereas on the pressure/tackling front Harmes appears to be ahead somewhat.  Efficiency almost level on the kicking front, Brayshaw probably slightly ahead with handballing / decision making and being clean.  Harmes maybe a tad slower around the footy, getting caught with the ball a bit more and unable to escape congestion as often as Brayshaw.  Harmes probably a bit stronger in a one on one ground ball contest though and able to hold himself up to win the day on occasions vs Brayshaw in a similar situation.

I am tending towards Brayshaw also just maybe not as bullish as you.  As the season and the year goes he may end up being a clear winner.  My issue with both of them is they both rarely worry the scoreboard.  Ie., not great at finishing in front of goal and/or getting in to scoring positions very often (Harmes maybe a tad more than Gus at this point).  Which is why i have them both on the interchange / emergency side at this point.  For a mid fielder to have some sort of impact above or over his direct opponents (or to match them), i feel hitting the scoreboard (even if it's once in a while) adds something extra to their arsenal and demands a little more respect from the direct opponent to play you a little closer.

Wagner is included Werridee. 

I have only left Hunt out at this point due to his recent form being off the pace defensively (intercepts / tackles / one percenters etc).  Otherwise I love how he takes on the game and worries opponents with speed / attacking play and gets us into the 50 more often but he also isn't finishing too well at the end of all that running at the moment and often turns it straight over, leaving us exposed a bit too often when the opp are sling shotting off his turnovers.  If he finds that form defensively and with his finish in next month or so i would be including him in preference to Wags.  Wags having a good season and has the nod at this point for mine.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I294675,CD_I994385&comparisonTab=h2h

Edited May 5, 2018 by Rusty Nails

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25 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I don't think he is a lot better Werridee at this point..

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I298279,CD_I297899&comparisonTab=h2h

In certain areas such as interceptions (clearly ahead), goal assists and center clearances he has a slight advantage, whereas on the pressure/tackling front Harmes appears to be ahead somewhat.  Efficiency almost level on the kicking front, Brayshaw probably slightly ahead with handballing / decision making and being clean.  Harmes maybe a tad slower around the footy, getting caught with the ball a bit more and unable to escape congestion as often as Brayshaw.  Harmes probably a bit stronger in a one on one ground ball contest though and able to hold himself up to win the day on occasions vs Brayshaw in a similar situation.

I am tending towards Brayshaw also just maybe not as bullish as you.  As the season and the year goes he may end up being a clear winner.  My issue with both of them is they both rarely worry the scoreboard.  Ie., not great at finishing in front of goal and/or getting in to scoring positions very often (Harmes maybe a tad more than Gus at this point).  Which is why i have them both on the interchange / emergency side at this point.  For a mid fielder to have some sort of impact above or over his direct opponents (or to match them), i feel hitting the scoreboard (even if it's once in a while) adds something extra to their arsenal and demands a little more respect from the direct opponent to play you a little closer.

Wagner is included Werridee. 

I have only left Hunt out at this point due to his recent form being off the pace defensively (intercepts / tackles / one percenters etc).  Otherwise I love how he takes on the game and worries opponents with speed / attacking play and gets us into the 50 more often but he also isn't finishing too well at the end of all that running at the moment and often turns it straight over, leaving us exposed a bit too often when the opp are sling shotting off his turnovers.  If he finds that form defensively and with his finish in next month or so i would be including him in preference to Wags.  Wags having a good season and has the nod at this point for mine.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I294675,CD_I994385&comparisonTab=h2h

Wagner is depth only

[DV8 2,271]

On 4/26/2018 at 4:27 AM, WERRIDEE said:

Viney says we don't know our best 22 yet so I'll give it a stab.

B: LEVER, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, T.MCDONALD, HUNT

C : PETRACCA, OLIVER, JONES

HF: KENT, HOGAN, MELKSHAM

F: GARLETT, WEIDEMAN, PEDERSEN

FOLL: GAWN, TYSON, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, SALEM, FRITSCH, SPARGO

 

On 4/26/2018 at 5:39 AM, praha said:

 

B: SALEM, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, LEVER, HUNT

C : PETRACCA, OLIVER, JONES

HF: KENT, HOGAN, MELKSHAM

F: GARLETT, T MCDONALD, PEDERSEN

FOLL: GAWN, TYSON, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH, HANNAN

 

On 5/4/2018 at 9:13 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

B          Jetta          O Mac         

HB       Hibberd      Lever        Salem

C           Hunt           Viney         

HF        Spargo       Hogan        

FF        Garlett     Weideman    Petracca

FOLL    Gawn         Oliver        Brayshaw 

INT       T - Mac     Jones  Z

I'm going to Pro-ject forward a little, in wishful fantasy. To 2020_

 

B: LEVER, OMc, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, T.MCDONALD, BRAYSHAW

C : GAFF, SLOANE, HUNT

HF: SPARGO, TMc, HOGAN

F: PETRACCA, WEIDEMAN, LYNCH

 

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

 

IC: JONES, SALEM, FRITSCH, MELKSHAM

.

[DaveyDee 421]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

 

I'm going to Pro-ject forward a little, in wishful fantasy. To 2020_

 

B: LEVER, OMc, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, T.MCDONALD, BRAYSHAW

C : GAFF, SLOANE, HUNT

HF: SPARGO, TMc, HOGAN

F: PETRACCA, WEIDEMAN, LYNCH

 

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

 

IC: JONES, SALEM, FRITSCH, MELKSHAM

.

If Lynch leaves Gold Coast which I doubt he will be a Tiger for sure. Big 5 Vic club and in a premiership window 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, samcantstandya said:

Wagner is depth only

Yes Sam I prefer Hunt also.  Wags in slightly better form right now however.

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Yes Sam I prefer Hunt also.  Wags in slightly better form right now however.

He's not even in the team and Hunt is how can you say that?

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

 

I'm going to Pro-ject forward a little, in wishful fantasy. To 2020_

 

B: LEVER, OMc, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, T.MCDONALD, BRAYSHAW

C : GAFF, SLOANE, HUNT

HF: SPARGO, TMc, HOGAN

F: PETRACCA, WEIDEMAN, LYNCH

 

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

 

IC: JONES, SALEM, FRITSCH, MELKSHAM

.

Lynch from Gold Coast or Lynch from Adelaide? I'd prefer Lynch from Adelaide, we don't need Gold Coast's Lynch.

The forward line is too tall and slow with him in it.

I've just noticed you have Tommy in 2 positions not even he's that good to do that.

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

2020

B: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: HUNT, LEVER, BAKER

C : GAFF, SLOANE, PETRACCA

HF: SPARGO, HOGAN, LYNCH (ADEL)

F: MELKSHAM, T,MCDONALD, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: JONES, BRAYSHAW, SALEM, HALL

EMERG: HANNAN

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

38 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

He's not even in the team and Hunt is how can you say that?

I'm doing it a little differently to some probably.  Basing it on performances / form shown so far in 2018.

Regardless of who is in the team at Rnd 6 i have Wags a short nose ahead of Hunt in the above stakes.

If you ask me who the better player "should be" going forward that is a different question.  If we assume Hunt can recover form akin to last year, then i would place Hunt easily ahead of Wags in the best 22 stakes.  For mine he just hasn't regained that form.....yet.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

2020

B: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: HUNT, LEVER, BAKER

C : GAFF, SLOANE, PETRACCA

HF: SPARGO, HOGAN, LYNCH (ADEL)

F: MELKSHAM, T,MCDONALD, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

IC: JONES, BRAYSHAW, SALEM, HALL

EMERG: HANNAN

What’s  the reason for having a 30 yr old Hall in that team instead of a 26 yr old Hannan? Not having a go, just curious.

[shorty 233]

Hall plays one decent game a month, let's get Jack Macrae. 

[DV8 2,271]

14 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

If Lynch leaves Gold Coast which I doubt he will be a Tiger for sure. Big 5 Vic club and in a premiership window 

Just assumptions, Richmond had been into Tyson for years before he left Giants.

13 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Lynch from Gold Coast or Lynch from Adelaide? I'd prefer Lynch from Adelaide, we don't need Gold Coast's Lynch.

The forward line is too tall and slow with him in it.

I've just noticed you have Tommy in 2 positions not even he's that good to do that.

Yeah your right WERIDE.

I used another post as the basis for mine, and I have severe sleep apnea. my excuses.  Also my friend in Melbourne, their computer is excruciatingly slow, and with buffering.

I'll adjust the post.

aagh, I can't adjust it. no edit feature.

I'll repost it.

[DV8 2,271]

 

On 4/27/2018 at 1:43 AM, WERRIDEE said:

B: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: BRAYSHAW, LEVER, HUNT

C : PETRACCA, OLIVER, JONES

HF: KENT, HOGAN, MELKSHAM

F: GARLETT, WEIDEMAN, T.MCDONALD

FOLL: GAWN, TYSON, VINEY

IC: SALEM, FRITSCH, SPARGO, J.LEWIS

 

On 5/4/2018 at 9:13 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

It'll always be in a state of flux.

B          Jetta          O Mac         

HB       Hibberd      Lever        Salem

C           Hunt           Viney         

HF        Spargo       Hogan        

FF        Garlett     Weideman    Petracca

 

FOLL    Gawn         Oliver        Brayshaw 

INT       T - Mac     Jones   

 

On 4/26/2018 at 5:39 AM, praha said:

Anyway here is mine.

B: SALEM, O.MCDONALD, JETTA

HB: HIBBERD, LEVER, HUNT

C : PETRACCA, OLIVER, JONES

HF: KENT, HOGAN, MELKSHAM

F: GARLETT, T MCDONALD, PEDERSEN

FOLL: GAWN, TYSON, VINEY

IC: BRAYSHAW, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH, HANNAN

I'm going to Pro-ject forward a little, in wishful fantasy. To 2020.

I'll try and get this right, from my wishful fantasy, to my post.

B       Jetta,  OMc, Jones 

HB     Hibberd,  Lever,  Brayshaw 

C       Gaff,  Sloane,  Melksham

HF     Petracca,   TMc,  Hunt  

FF      Spargo,  Weideman,  Fritsch

 

FOLL  Lynch (GCS),  Oliver,  Viney 

 

INT     Salem  Hannan Tyson  ANB

 

Hogan Gawn Lewis  Garlett

 

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by DV8

[CBDees 3,167]

10 minutes ago, DV8 said:

 

 

 

I'll try and get this right, from my wishful fantasy, to my post.

My projected 2020 fantasy team.

B       Jetta,  OMc, Jones 

HB     Hibberd,  Lever,  Brayshaw 

C       Gaff,  Sloane,  Melksham

HF     Petracca,   TMc,  Hunt  

FF      Spargo,  Weideman,  Fritsch

 

FOLL  Lynch (GCS),  Oliver,  Viney 

 

INT     Salem  Hannan Tyson  ANB

 

Hogan Gawn Lewis  Garlett

 

 

With no first round pick in 2018 or 2019, I am not sure how you intend to get Lynch, Gaff and Sloane (or why you would trade out Hogan and Gawn, two of our most popular and talented players)? Even with the most convoluted trade deal imaginable, I am not sure that our FD will run with it!

[Young Blood 2,620]

Wait so our ruckman is Lynch? He's had something like 82 hitouts for his whole career. Max will probably break Goldsteins record and get 83 in one season!

[DV8 2,271]

23 hours ago, CBDees said:

With no first round pick in 2018 or 2019, I am not sure how you intend to get Lynch, Gaff and Sloane (or why you would trade out Hogan and Gawn, two of our most popular and talented players)? Even with the most convoluted trade deal imaginable, I am not sure that our FD will run with it!

You have answered your own question CBD...

 

Why because its a fantasy beast 22, for 2020. 

And, because it makes us a better team onfield.

Currently I prefer TMc ahead of Hogan as CHF.

And I think the Weide is showing now, his skills & whee he is heading with his career. on the up and up.

 

SO, a forwardline of Lynch, TMc, and Weideman, with smalls and mediums flowing thru, is i think a strong unit.

All these talls share ruck duties and are followers in their own rights, leaving us covered, if one gets injured.

[DV8 2,271]

22 hours ago, mongrel said:

Wait so our ruckman is Lynch? He's had something like 82 hitouts for his whole career. Max will probably break Goldsteins record and get 83 in one season!

We witnessed first hand yesterday, the importance of midfield marking in these days of the press.

Ours worked much better yesterday with TMc floating thru the mid areas, taking marks and using his body leaving Saints on the floor.

 

We worked very hard to stop them marking the ball in midfield transition, and they fell apart. Our desperation doing this was clearly evident and it worked a treat.

 

So mobile talls prowling the mid section of ground marking the ball and throwing weight around, is a huge key to winning.

 

Maxy played MUCH better yesterday up forward.  But he is not a great mark as a tall.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_match_statistics?mid=9575&sby=3#t1

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PS: check the hitouts from yesterdays game. We beat the saints 34 to 26..  showing that hitouts are overrated, unless they land direct in our mids hands.

 

Our setups yesterday were much much better, and we worked tirelessly to win our clearances.

Edited May 7, 2018 by DV8

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