2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ummmm...... he was developed by draft day......a walk up starter

They still need development, work on their flaws to balance out their game.

1 minute ago, AzzKikA said:

They still need development, work on their flaws to balance out their game.

but the point specifically for wines was that he was essentially ready and was "low maintenance" re development......same as vineyl

wines would have been a star wherever he went

Just now, daisycutter said:

but the point specifically for wines was that he was essentially ready and was "low maintenance" re development......same as vineyl

wines would have been a star wherever he went

Fair enough

On 13/02/2018 at 8:19 PM, The Chazz said:

Never heard of front/backloading contracts?

You are questioning experts in their field, all while using media reports as part of your weaponry. Truly amazing.

@TeamPlayedFine39 @DaveyDee

So, with the imminent extension to Wines' contract, can we presume that they will be breaching their salary cap?  Or do we put it down to list management doing what they do best?

I know which way I'm going.

39 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ummmm...... he was developed by draft day......a walk up starter

 

45 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

IF we picked up Wines, at the time who says we would have developed him properly anyway!?

Best on Ground in his first game. 

His attuitude was right

 

We F$&@ed up so badly

What SWYL said! 

So bloody true. 

41 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

but the point specifically for wines was that he was essentially ready and was "low maintenance" re development......same as vineyl

wines would have been a star wherever he went

So was Jake Stringer prior to drafting.

2 minutes ago, DV8 said:

So was Jake Stringer prior to drafting.

A Premiership Player

something we haven’t had for decades

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

A Premiership Player

something we haven’t had for decades

Yes true but it also shows how impressionable young players heads are, & the so called "already developed" argument is.

And how arrogance is destructive in a club environment.

 

One minute world beaters, next minute pillow fluff.

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

@TeamPlayedFine39 @DaveyDee

So, with the imminent extension to Wines' contract, can we presume that they will be breaching their salary cap?  Or do we put it down to list management doing what they do best?

I know which way I'm going.

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Read the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread, in particular, yours, mine and DaveyDees discussions.

You were hopeful that Port may have had salary cap issues, which could've forced Wines out.  I was telling you that they wouldn't put themselves in the position of forcing out Wines because of the players they brought in.

Now it looks certain he's extending for another 2 years, so I'm wondering what your thoughts are now on this topic.

Just now, The Chazz said:

Read the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread, in particular, yours, mine and DaveyDees discussions.

You were hopeful that Port may have had salary cap issues, which could've forced Wines out.  I was telling you that they wouldn't put themselves in the position of forcing out Wines because of the players they brought in.

Now it looks certain he's extending for another 2 years, so I'm wondering what your thoughts are now on this topic.

Said their cap would be tight.

Their cap is tight.

Said it’s possible he could leave.

He hasn’t re-signed.

You said you never trust the football media.

He still hasn’t signed.

Can’t see what’s changed...

19 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Said their cap would be tight.

Their cap is tight.

Said it’s possible he could leave.

He hasn’t re-signed.

You said you never trust the football media.

He still hasn’t signed.

Can’t see what’s changed...

Ok, I will seek your views when this does actually happen, which it will, so I'd suggest you start considering your response.

4 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Ok, I will seek your views when this does actually happen, which it will, so I'd suggest you start considering your response.

I can give you my response now.

I never once said he would leave, not once. I said it was ‘possible’ and I even underlined that word for you on page 2 of this thread.

It was and still is, and forever shall be POSSIBLE that Ollie Wines could leave Port Adelaide.

If they sign him- great, good for them!

5 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I can give you my response now.

I never once said he would leave, not once. I said it was ‘possible’ and I even underlined that word for you on page 2 of this thread.

It was and still is, and forever shall be POSSIBLE that Ollie Wines could leave Port Adelaide.

If they sign him- great, good for them!

I can assure you of one thing - he WILL leave Port.  Highly likely that it will be at the end of his career, but you can take it to the bank that he will stop playing for them one day.

My initial issue was with your little fantasy of Wines being forced out of Port because of salary cap issues, but we'd be in a position to fit him in ours.  You can create any scenario with imagination, so I admire you for that, but your views on this one were always going to be off the mark.

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Yes true but it also shows how impressionable young players heads are, & the so called "already developed" argument is.

And how arrogance is destructive in a club environment.

 

One minute world beaters, next minute pillow fluff.

Stringer had issues outside of the club, yes it impacted his game after a period of time, but when he was drafted he was ready to go. 

Not like the Plethera of hopeless drafting the MFC embarked upon from 2008-13 under the astute guidance of our previous CEO Mr. Whiteboard, whereby we employed under weight and under developed choir boys who looked lovely wearing Blazers. 

I don’t think anyone has ever drafted worse than the MFC between those years

17 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I can assure you of one thing - he WILL leave Port.  Highly likely that it will be at the end of his career, but you can take it to the bank that he will stop playing for them one day.

My initial issue was with your little fantasy of Wines being forced out of Port because of salary cap issues, but we'd be in a position to fit him in ours.  You can create any scenario with imagination, so I admire you for that, but your views on this one were always going to be off the mark.

Can you post the quote where I said we’d be in a position to get him under our salary cap?  I’ve never been of the belief that we have the money or the draft picks to get him over here...

6 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Can you post the quote where I said we’d be in a position to get him under our salary cap?  I’ve never been of the belief that we have the money or the draft picks to get him over here...

Ah, so your contribution to this thread is that Wines could be pushed out of Port because of cap issues. But if that happens, we shouldn't be the ones chasing him?

I'm sure you can understand why I have misinterpreted your point.

1 minute ago, The Chazz said:

Ah, so your contribution to this thread is that Wines could be pushed out of Port because of cap issues. But if that happens, we shouldn't be the ones chasing him?

I'm sure you can understand why I have misinterpreted your point.

Literally what I’ve been saying since pg 1.

27 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Literally what I’ve been saying since pg 1.

You've been saying we shouldn't chase him if he is pushed out?

6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Stringer had issues outside of the club, yes it impacted his game after a period of time, but when he was drafted he was ready to go. 

Not like the Plethera of hopeless drafting the MFC embarked upon from 2008-13 under the astute guidance of our previous CEO Mr. Whiteboard, whereby we employed under weight and under developed choir boys who looked lovely wearing Blazers. 

I don’t think anyone has ever drafted worse than the MFC between those years

The "already developed" term, was in reference to his footy development.. not his mind/emotional development. That's the point of the post, that 'the inner club culture' has to be strong, beneficial, & supportive, with strong discipline.

 

The doggies seems to me, a raw culture changing almost daily.  they were a young talented team without enough senior leaders who could hold things together. 

They rode the crest of an emotional wave through to the Premiership, and never really got off that wave until it crashed ashore.

Now its spot the pieces, and pickup what you can find.

Stringer Wines and Grundy were my picks, to go with Viney, who was a lock for us.  I wanted big size mids in that draft. And those who had other skills, like forward skills. see (Grundy & Stringer)

It turns out the best options from hindsight show us that Wines & Grundy would have been the better partners for Viney.  And we had one of them in the palm.

Oh Toddy.

has he signed with us yet ?

any real info ?

Wines making sure "his heart is set" with PA before signing on again

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-10/port-star-yet-to-make-sure-heart-is-set-on-staying

Very interesting...

We had him and let him go, he is staying at Port and it is time to move on.

 

Petracca is to St Kilda what Wines is to Melbourne, chances of it changing negligible. Also unlike Port, I don't want McCartin in another year or two...