i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

The coach told everyone

The coach didn't say anything that everyone didn't already know - you think no-one noticed that Jack was left out of 2 pre-season matches because of his attitude?

This idea that everyone out there, including other clubs, all think that Jack Watts is the greatest thing since sliced bread and if only Goody hadn't opened his mouth they still would ... it just beggars belief.

and there it is. A cracking drive thru midwicket by DrD

demonland brings up another century
well played lads, take a bow 

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

It was Buckley who was able to get him to play at a comsistent level.

Think it was as much to do with Howe (finally) accepting that if he wanted a career his place was across the half-back line, not as a forward taking speccies and kicking a bag. Which, incidentally, is what Collingwood traded him in for and where he started there.

9 minutes ago, bing181 said:

The coach didn't say anything that everyone didn't already know - you think no-one noticed that Jack was left out of 2 pre-season matches because of his attitude?

This idea that everyone out there, including other clubs, all think that Jack Watts is the greatest thing since sliced bread and if only Goody hadn't opened his mouth they still would ... it just beggars belief.

Fine

There was no need for him to continue

Edited October 6, 20178 yr by jumbo returns

24 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I really fear that we're about to lose a good soldier here.

A good soldier that even after 150 games gets dropped to the seconds?

11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and there it is. A cracking drive thru midwicket by DrD

demonland brings up another century
well played lads, take a bow 

Thought it was more of a slog over the bowlers head followed by a stare and a couple of choice words

15 minutes ago, bing181 said:

No-one's harping on. They keep being brought up because any number of people here are in denial about golden boy Jack.

That kind of language doesn't help. Some of us are not 'emotional' and blinded by the 'golden boy' - we simply think our club is better off with Watts at the club. And some attempt to provide some reasoning for that view. It may be denial to you, but an argument to them.

 

6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

A good soldier that even after 150 games gets dropped to the seconds?

That will happen to Vince next year. I understand your point but, as a coach who has dropped blokes because of weather, match ups, and to work on specific things - I really hated it when getting dropped was seen akin to a death sentence.

8 minutes ago, bing181 said:

A good soldier that even after 150 games gets dropped to the seconds?

Never fully recovered from his hammy injury - whether that was from poor management or poor rehab practice

Before that, was playing some fantastic footy

24 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

Ffs

I have tried to avoid this thread but finally succumbed.

I have a simple question and maybe someone has already asked, but I don't intend to read through the previous 98 pages.

The question I have is "how does getting rid of JW improve us as a team? I had this same question when Neil Daniher wouldn't budge on his views of Shane Woewodin. In my view we gained nothing when that happened and I lost confidence in the coach because it appeared he had no understanding of "Team". My fear is that Goodwin wants his personal glory and success but it's more about him than the Club.

JW doesn't currently meet Goodwin's idea of what he should be, but what do we lose without JW and who replaces and improves us with him gone?

 

20 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

I have been to plenty of games where all some MFC supporters see is the tall blonde bloke not get the footy. Even when it is not his role to get the footy: 'get in there Jack FCS! Jump into that mass of small ball winning mids and win the footy...

'Where were you then, Jack?' About two metres away from the contest that Gawn and Pedersen just went up and got in each other's way and let Josh Gibson take a chest mark.

Occasionally, when the footy was on the Northern Side I would hear Dees fans with depth perception issues blame Jack for not getting the footy 40m away from the contest. 

All this isn't to say he isn't very averse to contact but it has always been amazing to see Dees fans go to the footy and only see one player and everything he does, doesn't do or is nowhere near.

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

Some of us are not 'emotional' and blinded by the 'golden boy' - we simply think our club is better off with Watts at the club.

 

I do not understand how, knowing what we now know, anyone can think that the club is better off with Jack there unless they're letting their emotions get in the way. The remarks from the head of the Football Department (Mahoney) that Jack was a negative influence on the younger players were about as damning as it gets.

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

I have been to plenty of games where all some MFC supporters see is the tall blonde bloke not get the footy. Even when it is not his role to get the footy: 'get in there Jack FCS! Jump into that mass of small ball winning mids and win the footy...

'Where were you then, Jack?' About two metres away from the contest that Gawn and Pedersen just went up and got in each other's way and let Josh Gibson take a chest mark.

Occasionally, when the footy was on the Northern Side I would hear Dees fans with depth perception issues blame Jack for not getting the footy 40m away from the contest. 

All this isn't to say he isn't very averse to contact but it has always been amazing to see Dees fans go to the footy and only see one player and everything he does, doesn't do or is nowhere near.

I agree that happens. 

Is it possible that a few others then see the opposite based on their own subjective view ?

Who then is in the best position to cast judgement about Jack Watts?   

Maybe his captain... His coaches? 

28 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

Nor do they show how hard he has worked to make space and provide an option only to have a teammate fail to pull the trigger or just stuff it through poor disposal.

It would be quite ironic if in 2 years time Jack Watts is a premiership player at another AFL club and Goody and Macca are no longer at Melbourne.

"Every action has its pleasures and its price"

18 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

He's just not. The stats won't help you.

Just say you don't like him and you'd prefer to see him play elsewhere. It's more credible. Watts is a strong body and he is hard at it.

For all the posters here who want hard dudes from the set of the movie 300 playing for the Dees, they were all digitally enhanced.

FWIW, I met Gerard Butler in NYC. He was fat and unathletic. Would prefer Watts next to me in a battle every day of the week.

I went out with Mackie in NYC after they won the flag in 2011. He said the only MFC players they respected were Rivers, Watts, Jones and (I think) Frawley.

I can't believe I'm so emotionally invested in this. Clip to the ear.

 

2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

I do not understand how, knowing what we now know, anyone can think that the club is better off with Jack there unless they're letting their emotions get in the way. The remarks from the head of the Football Department (Mahoney) that Jack was a negative influence on the younger players were about as damning as it gets.

I think that is dramatic licence from a FD boss desperate to create an asset out of a contracted player. I happen to know that Gawn is not the kind of professional influence you want around the 'impressionable youth' that we have. 

Footy clubs are full of various personalities, even Jack Viney this season spoke about how his leadership has altered to be more accomodating to personalities different to his focussed, intense, and strict footballing attitude.

So, no, I don't think it would be a reckless decision to keep Watts.

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

In your opinion

So......keep the closing interview and feedback inhouse

Do not critique a player in public and leave him out to dry

That's pretty much it.

Whatever you make of the list management decision to move Jack on, the way the club have managed this is embarrassing, and the sort of thing that could strain relationships between management and playing staff.

The messy, public nature of the 'break up' and the club's public commentary on Watt's has been unprofessional and Goodwin and co, might have burned through a bit of trust with the playing group.

35 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

i know i'm sounding like a broken record but jack is a fringe player. stats dont show the number of contests he squibs

You can’t have 44 players on your list that are inside bulls. The reality is if the whole team kicked like Viney and Tyson we would be begging that Todd and Jason could find us a classy outside ball user. 

13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I have been to plenty of games where all some MFC supporters see is the tall blonde bloke not get the footy. Even when it is not his role to get the footy: 'get in there Jack FCS! Jump into that mass of small ball winning mids and win the footy...

'Where were you then, Jack?' About two metres away from the contest that Gawn and Pedersen just went up and got in each other's way and let Josh Gibson take a chest mark.

Occasionally, when the footy was on the Northern Side I would hear Dees fans with depth perception issues blame Jack for not getting the footy 40m away from the contest. 

All this isn't to say he isn't very averse to contact but it has always been amazing to see Dees fans go to the footy and only see one player and everything he does, doesn't do or is nowhere near.

He's not the only player and were not the only club that happens with. Every club has players/supporters like that, OMac is another who cops it like that. Grundy was like that for the Pies in 2016 their supporters were slagging him off before the game started. 

Same people who yell "just kick it!.....argh who was that to?" and other classics like "don't go backwards"

Edited October 6, 20178 yr by Dr. Gonzo

Lever + Watts + one semi elite experienced outside mid + retain all other required players + not an abhorrent run with injuries/suspensions = we're in the mix for top 4 in 2018.

 

pedersen is 5 times the presence than watts up forward and i look forward to a fwd line of men up there now with jack out of the way.

pedersen is going to smash it.

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

pedersen is 5 times the presence than watts up forward and i look forward to a fwd line of men up there now with jack out of the way.

pedersen is going to smash it.

Isn’t he 30 or 31 or something????  Might smash it, but the clock is running...