Honestly something is going wrong in the recruiting/development area, all our depth players are not up to scratch. Trengove, jkh, white, weidman, Kennedy, Wagner, max King wouldn't get a game at any other afl  club this year. I know we have been crippled by injuries but we lack depth and better recruiting of mature aged depth players is needed, especially with all the six day breaks.

Name one club, other than GWS, that could cover the injuries we've had to this point?

I'll answer for you - none.  It has nothing to do with depth issues, it has everything to do with losing a host of key players, not to mention others like Brayshaw and AVB who could easily slot into the side as well.

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Name one club, other than GWS, that could cover the injuries we've had to this point?

I'll answer for you - none.  It has nothing to do with depth issues, it has everything to do with losing a host of key players, not to mention others like Brayshaw and AVB who could easily slot into the side as well.

VDB is not even a best 22 player when fully fit

2 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Honestly something is going wrong in the recruiting/development area, all our depth players are not up to scratch. Trengove, jkh, white, weidman, Kennedy, Wagner, max King wouldn't get a game at any other afl  club this year. I know we have been crippled by injuries but we lack depth and better recruiting of mature aged depth players is needed, especially with all the six day breaks.

A team can carry one or two, maybe three NQRs if their core is intact.

Are you really suggesting that any recruiting guru can plan for what we have had happen over the past few months.

I will be very interested to hear from anyone who can get to the Casey v Port game this week how in particular Weideman, JKH, and Kennedy go.  

I certainly hope that Jesse and Jack W are ready to go next week - Jesse in particular needs to reacquaint himself with Rowe, and show him a clean pair go heels.

Not depth issues.

INJURY issues.

You can't replace your best players and as of the second half we were down Watts, Garlett, Hogan, Jones, Salem and Viney. Good depth is a misnomer.

You. Cannot. Replace. Your. Best. Players.

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by rpfc

This has nothing to do with recruiting!

We just can't cover for the loss of both captains, our two best key forwards, our All Australian ruckman (followed immediately by our backup ruckman!), our 2017 leading goalkicker and our silkiest defender.

No club in the league could cover an injury crisis like this, barring GWS.

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by SaberFang

2 minutes ago, Elegt said:

VDB is not even a best 22 player when fully fit

That wasn't my point at all.  I used Brayshaw and AVB as examples of players who can slot into the side when we have injuries and play to a standard higher than the others.  I never said he was best 22 so don't go and put words in my mouth.

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

That wasn't my point at all.  I used Brayshaw and AVB as examples of players who can slot into the side when we have injuries and play to a standard higher than the others.  I never said he was best 22 so don't go and put words in my mouth.

avb would have made zero difference tonight, he is similar standard to bugg melksham and anb

 

what we need is some fast  ready made mature aged players ala Mitch Hannan. Matt Hanson is a good candidate that springs to mind 

Jones, Watts, Hogan, Garlett, Salem and Viney are all top 10 players.

No team carries depth which replaces that.

5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Jones, Watts, Hogan, Garlett, Salem and Viney are all top 10 players.

No team carries depth which replaces that.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be relying on duds like Wagner and white to try fill those holes, these guys are hopeless at afl level , better recruiting would help 

1 minute ago, Elegt said:

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be relying on duds like Wagner and white to try fill those holes, these guys are hopeless at afl level , better recruiting would help 

Have you forgotten about where our list was only 3 seasons ago? The improvement couldn't be more dramatic.

There's seriously only so many players you can turn over every year, and we've been turning over plenty!

As others have said, missing 5 of our best 10 players including our 3 best forwards, can't cover that. 

1 minute ago, SaberFang said:

Have you forgotten about where our list was only 3 seasons ago? The improvement couldn't be more dramatic.

There's seriously only so many players you can turn over every year, and we've been turning over plenty!

Improvement is good but there are always areas to improve more on, recruiting ready made mature age players is one for this years off season, just hope that hard calls are made with list management and we cut our losses

5 minutes ago, Elegt said:

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be relying on duds like Wagner and white to try fill those holes, these guys are hopeless at afl level , better recruiting would help 

Maybe we'd ordinarily call on vandenBerg or Brayshaw, but they're also injured.

Our injury list is huge and cuts significantly deep. This isn't a depth issue.

1 minute ago, Elegt said:

Improvement is good but there are always areas to improve more on, recruiting ready made mature age players is one for this years off season, just hope that hard calls are made with list management and we cut our losses

So we can end up like Richmond or Collingwood, with a bunch of mature-age plodders clogging up the list and taking games away from teenagers with greater potential?

Just now, SaberFang said:

So we can end up like Richmond or Collingwood, with a bunch of mature-age plodders clogging up the list and taking games away from teenagers with greater potential?

Would you consider white and Wagner teenagers with great potential?

id rather let the kids play out in the vfl and ply their trade while the mature ages fill those gaps until the kids are ready

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Maybe we'd ordinarily call on vandenBerg or Brayshaw, but they're also injured.

Our injury list is huge and cuts significantly deep. This isn't a depth issue.

Exactly. We're now bringing in the depth players of our depth players.

Only a few months ago Gawn went down and our backup ruckman followed him a week later. How is that the recruitment team's fault?

Just now, SaberFang said:

Exactly. We're now bringing in the depth players of our depth players.

Only a few months ago Gawn went down and our backup ruckman followed him a week later. How is that the recruitment team's fault?

All good teams have a third ruckman they can call upon. Our third ruckman is Mitch King.. Still 4-5 years away and hasn't stood out in vfl in any games yet

47 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Honestly something is going wrong in the recruiting/development area, all our depth players are not up to scratch. Trengove, jkh, white, weidman, Kennedy, Wagner, max King wouldn't get a game at any other afl  club this year. I know we have been crippled by injuries but we lack depth and better recruiting of mature aged depth players is needed, especially with all the six day breaks.

Breath in. Breath out....

Then post. 

What about we just forfeit next week's game so we don't have any more injuries or reports?

Let me say this.

We are not missing 6 of our best 22, we are missing 6 of our best 12! No team in the comp can cover 6 of their best 12, none!!

1 minute ago, Adzman said:

Let me say this.

We are not missing 6 of our best 22, we are missing 6 of our best 12! No team in the comp can cover 6 of their best 12, none!!

I never expected us to win tonight but ideally our depth players would compete and make a contest rather than turning the ball over with every disposal and not manning up

 

1 hour ago, Elegt said:

Honestly something is going wrong in the recruiting/development area

Given the amount of evidence to the contrary this is a truly bizarre statement.

54 minutes ago, Elegt said:

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be relying on duds like Wagner and white to try fill those holes, these guys are hopeless at afl level , better recruiting would help 

They're defenders under pressure with having played few games, ask why they were getting bombarded , we were getting flogged out of the middle.

 

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by shorty

1 hour ago, Elegt said:

Honestly something is going wrong in the recruiting/development area, all our depth players are not up to scratch. Trengove, jkh, white, weidman, Kennedy, Wagner, max King wouldn't get a game at any other afl  club this year. I know we have been crippled by injuries but we lack depth and better recruiting of mature aged depth players is needed, especially with all the six day breaks.

Very Harsh......

Weiderman - 2nd year KPP tall which take time to develop!

Our injury list

Angus Brayshaw (concussion) – indefinite

Lochie Filipovic (hip) – 4 weeks

Colin Garland (knee) – season

Jeff Garlett (hamstring) – test

Jesse Hogan (testicular cancer) – test

Nathan Jones (quadriceps) – 4-5 weeks

Pat McKenna (hamstring) – 4-5 weeks

Christian Salem (hamstring) – 3-4 weeks

Joel Smith (shoulder) – available

Tim Smith (navicular bone) – season

Aaron vandenBerg (heel) – season

Jack Viney (shoulder) – available

Jack Watts (hamstring) – test

Most clubs would struggle to cope with that many key players out & still won 4 in a row & play 4 games in 18 days!

 

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by Hogan2014