Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Grimes Times 1,278]

10 hours ago, BAMF said:

I think it would be similar to the Treloar deal.

We pay: 1st round, 4th round, 2018 1st round.

We get: Lever, 2nd round pick.

With what i hear this draft is very shallow but next year is looking a lot deeper. @ChaserJ might be able to confirm.

Id be pushing for 2017 draft picks and try and keep 2018 out if it.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Grimes Times

[ChaserJ 5,192]

6 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

With what i hear this draft is very shallow but next year is looking a lot deeper. @ChaserJ might be able to confirm.

Id be pushing for 2017 draft picks and try and keep 2018 out if it.

You've heard correctly GT.  Depth this year is non existent. Still some quality around where our first round pick would land, but most clubs wouldn't place a whole lot of value on our 2nd rounder, so could see our 2018 first being demanded in any deal for Lever.

If we couldn't get away with this year's first rounder and a player, then I'd try to bundle this year's first and next year's second rounder.

Absolute fall back position '17 & '18 first round picks, but with Adelaide's 2018 2nd rounder to come back in return.

[Big T Mac 6]

Damian Barrett said this...

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/damian-barrett-names-a-possible-frontrunner-for-jake-lever?station=melbourne 

[BAMF 4,483]

1 hour ago, trakkkkkkkaaa said:

Damian Barrett said this...

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/damian-barrett-names-a-possible-frontrunner-for-jake-lever?station=melbourne 

I feel like this should carry some weight, but I can't remember a time that Barrett was ever correct about these sort of things.

[jackaub 1,402]

On 17 July 2017 at 7:34 PM, DominatrixTyson said:

One thing i've noticed is that he'll run into an oncoming tackle while holding the ball low in preperation to kick it. He sometimes just runs head on into tackles and doesn't do anything because his body has already made up its mind to go for a kick. His flexibility reminds me of Ben Holland. Like having a giraffe in defence. Needs to be more flexible with his hand eye coordination and get his hands up over his head to brace a tackle and fire off a quick handball.

That is so insightfull I agrre completelyDOM Trix

[junk 342]

Not necessary to get another defender,would prefer tall mid and a ruckman/forward. J.Smith could fill the tall mid/defender role. I don't think we should giveaway our first draft pick. Who cares if the so called Tac cup kiddies aren't as goog as last year,there will always be a potential star in the next draft.

[brendan 3,458]

6 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Not necessary to get another defender,would prefer tall mid and a ruckman/forward. J.Smith could fill the tall mid/defender role. I don't think we should giveaway our first draft pick. Who cares if the so called Tac cup kiddies aren't as goog as last year,there will always be a potential star in the next draft.

If we get lever he plays back and tom McDonald then becomes ruck/forward i hope we do get him 

[deelete my account 1,194]

1 hour ago, brendan said:

If we get lever he plays back and tom McDonald then becomes ruck/forward i hope we do get him 

I still wonder though, What if TMAC is having a honeymoon period, and he actually does get worked out at some point over the next few months or next year and should probably head back to CHB. With TMAC/Lever/Frost/Hibberd/Jetta/Hunt, we've got a very powerful defence. Even with OMAC as depth we can give him a few years to develop with Garland retiring.

Prior to the TMAC phenomena, quite a few in here were calling for us to bring in a mid-sized forward like Gunston to support Watts and Hogan or a ruck/fwd. Hopefully Vandenburg is injury free next year and can squeeze back in, and Kent can find his form. Weideman will obviously take until mid to late next year at a minimum before he can hold down CHF/FF. 

Now the quandary is how long will Weideman take? Can we actually look to the trade period to bring in a marking forward like a Gunston, or a forward/ruck to compete with Pedo at CHF as well as targeting Lever? Our forward line would perhaps benefit from trading in a player that could take the load off Hogan and Watts in the event that TMAC loses form as a forward.

Interesting trade period coming up, i think our priorities will depend on how our forward and defence cope over the next few months. Even if Defence is not our immediate priority with the forward line showing weakness, Lever is someone you just have to target. When Opportunity calls etc.

Edited July 19, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[brendan 3,458]

Yep if lever is available and wants to come to us you absolutely take him no question,

jetta frost hibberd

hunt lever lewis

tyson jones Salem 

gawn viney Oliver 

petracca hogan watts

garlett McDonald hannan

melksham, bugg, Brayshaw, omac, 

Vince, stretch, Kent, ANB, harmed, weed

I can't see any holes in that team 

[Melb16 493]

12 hours ago, BAMF said:

I feel like this should carry some weight, but I can't remember a time that Barrett was ever correct about these sort of things.

Prestia? Treloar?

[armstrong35 262]

Imagine if we somehow got Zak Jones as well

Jetta  Frost  Hibberd

Hunt  Lever Salem

Z.Jones Viney Melksham

Petracca Hogan Watts

Garlett Tmac Hannan

Gawn Jones Oliver

Omac ANB Lewis Tyson

And there is Brayshaw ,stretch, kent, harms, weeds, AVB, Vince, bugg, JKH, Trengove, pedo, spencer, kennedy, wagner, the two smiths and maynard for some depth

I'd like to know where Joel smith fits in?

Edited July 19, 2017 by armstrong35

[mrtwister 652]

20 minutes ago, armstrong35 said:

Imagine if we somehow got Zak Jones as well

Jetta  Frost  Hibberd

Hunt  Lever Salem

Z.Jones Viney Melksham

Petracca Hogan Watts

Garlett Tmac Hannan

Gawn Jones Oliver

Omac ANB Lewis Tyson

And there is Brayshaw ,stretch, kent, harms, weeds, AVB, Vince, bugg, JKH, Trengove, pedo, spencer, kennedy, wagner, the two smiths and maynard for some depth

I'd like to know where Joel smith fits in?

I wouldn't be surprised if Smith is being groomed as a forward. Learning the ropes.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

On 16/07/2017 at 4:40 PM, ProDee said:

Frost is a chronic fumbler.

He also sprints like a gazelle, he's tall, he's evasive and he can boot the ball a mile. But yes the inexplicable fumbles are a bit annoying.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

6 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

He also sprints like a gazelle, he's tall, he's evasive and he can boot the ball a mile. But yes the inexplicable fumbles are a bit annoying.

If Frost consistently played within his obvious limitations, he would be good.

He doesn't, so his contribution is questionable in my eyes.

A catostrophic error resulting in an opposition goal is nearly always around the corner.

And in a final, moments like that are amplified x 1 million.

Edited July 20, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Skuit 10,031]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If Frost consistently played within his obvious limitations, he would be good.

He doesn't, so his contribution is questionable in my eyes.

A catostrophic error resulting in an opposition goal is nearly always around the corner.

And in a final, moments like that are amplified x 1 million.

That's a rather bleak prognostic.

First Elimination Final 2017

Richmond  4,000,000  8   24,000,008

Melbourne  26 12  168

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

10 minutes ago, Skuit said:

That's a rather bleak prognostic.

First Elimination Final 2017

Richmond  4,000,000  8   24,000,008

Melbourne  26 12  168

 

Richmond have players of similar nature. 

So x a billion for them also. Maybe more.

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

7 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If Frost consistently played within his obvious limitations, he would be good.

He doesn't, so his contribution is questionable in my eyes.

A catostrophic error resulting in an opposition goal is nearly always around the corner.

And in a final, moments like that are amplified x 1 million.

Frost does some amazing things and he's improved a lot this season. Given where we are at I think it's about encouraging him to take the game on and back his talent and accept that he will make errors. 

For his mistake his marking and run and carry off half back has been a huge part of our improved form this season. 

[Adam The God 30,730]

47 minutes ago, Abe said:

Frost does some amazing things and he's improved a lot this season. Given where we are at I think it's about encouraging him to take the game on and back his talent and accept that he will make errors. 

For his mistake his marking and run and carry off half back has been a huge part of our improved form this season. 

Yep, his decision making will continue to improve with more games experience. He is near hopeless when he doesn't take on the game, so I'll forgive one (maybe even two) holding the balls (leave it, bitters), as long as he's trying to take the game on. He's a massive asset when he's the rock in the slingshot.

Edited July 20, 2017 by A F

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Yep, his decision making will continue to improve with more games experience. He is near hopeless when he doesn't take on the game, so I'll forgive one (maybe even two) holding the ball as long as he's trying to take the game on. He's a massive asset when he's the rock in the slingshot.

And he will get better. It will happen less and less often as he gets more experience and he'll become smarter with ball in hand. I think he has massive upside as our third tall defender with oscar and hopefully lever 

[junk 342]

armstrong35,J.Smith will become a mid/defender.Pedo,Spencer,Kennedy will become obsolete.

[JTR 2,910]

23 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If Frost consistently played within his obvious limitations, he would be good.

He doesn't, so his contribution is questionable in my eyes.

A catostrophic error resulting in an opposition goal is nearly always around the corner.

And in a final, moments like that are amplified x 1 million.

I think though, if we have enough guys around the ball putting the pressure on there is a good chance we'll get the turnover right back.  

We did that particularly well vs the Bulldogs where we had our share of turnovers but were almost immediately all over the Bulldogs players receiving the ball and most of the time got it back pretty quickly.

Last week that manic pressure was missing, making the errors from the likes of Frost much more costly.

They've said bringing that manic pressure back has been a focus this week, plus we've obviously had a few guns come back, so maybe the errors won't turn out to be so catostrophic if and when they occur?

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

3 minutes ago, JTR said:

I think though, if we have enough guys around the ball putting the pressure on there is a good chance we'll get the turnover right back.  

We did that particularly well vs the Bulldogs where we had our share of turnovers but were almost immediately all over the Bulldogs players receiving the ball and most of the time got it back pretty quickly.

Last week that manic pressure was missing, making the errors from the likes of Frost much more costly.

They've said bringing that manic pressure back has been a focus this week, plus we've obviously had a few guns come back, so maybe the errors won't turn out to be so catostrophic if and when they occur?

Probably missing for the past few weeks.

[JTR 2,910]

Agreed...  though last week seemed particularly bad to me, when almost every turnover seemed to end up with a crows goal.  

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

17 hours ago, Abe said:

Frost does some amazing things and he's improved a lot this season. Given where we are at I think it's about encouraging him to take the game on and back his talent and accept that he will make errors. 

For his mistake his marking and run and carry off half back has been a huge part of our improved form this season. 

There's a propensity for supporters to think that there's more scope for improvement for athlete type-footballers like Frost. Which is something I don't necessarily buy into once they're in an AFL system.

I value football-specific skills above all else at AFL level and I firmly believe that players like Frost who come into the system with questionable football-specific skills will only ever be able to improve them marginally. 

The areas of improvement I've seen with him this year are in the strengths he already has as a player, most of which being physical attributes rather than football-specific ones. His ability to to break lines and his confidence in doing so, his speed, strength etc. His marking and understanding of when to go for a mark has improved and that's about the only footy-specific skill that I've seen genuine improvement in. That being said, he still drops marks that shouldn't be dropped at this level.

What I haven't seen an improvement in, is in his ability to completely iron-out patterns of play or acts that are unacceptable and shouldn't be seen at this level. And it's those things that prove to me that he'll never be a complete player nor will he improve those areas of his game enough. The only thing he can do to avoid committing those kinds of game-changing errors is to play strictly within his limits of ability. 

The evidence is everywhere. The double fumble we saw against Adelaide. His failed attempt at breaking past two opponents when he had two team-mates free 5-10 metres ahead wanting a handball. That decision making process or lack of awareness was unbelievable at that moment. These are only two examples but I don't think people realise, that kind of [censored] rarely happened even in A-grade Amo's when I played. I don't see other players committing  the same kinds of acts that he does. 

As I've said, if we had a really strong key position backman plus Tom McDonald and one of Frost or O-Mac, then things would be different and he would be able to play a much more refined role. That's what I continue to hope for when I look to next year.

 

[trout 385]

Ch 7 news reporting it's becoming more and more likely he will be returning to a Victorian club next year