Is this talk all because Vickery said he'd love to play with Martin at Hawthorn, or is there more substance ?

I like Hawthorn now.

They gifted us Jordan Lewis. And he is exactly what this team needed. We will play finals this season as a result.

I reckon we'll own Hawthorn this year.

 

What is the point of the AFL trying to even up the comp.if elite players end up at the elite clubs. If an experience player of 100 games and is considered an elite players (some system would be required to determine eliteness) no longer want to play for their existing club,he should go into the draft with a set asking price.The bottom club get first bite of the cherry and so on.If the player doesn't get picked up in the first round then his price drop by a set amount.The bottom club can use their 2nd rd pick. Other players can also be placed into the system but have less bargaining power.There should be no swapping of draft picks or pre arranged swaps. 

3 hours ago, ENYAW said:

What is the point of the AFL trying to even up the comp.if elite players end up at the elite clubs. If an experience player of 100 games and is considered an elite players (some system would be required to determine eliteness) no longer want to play for their existing club,he should go into the draft with a set asking price.The bottom club get first bite of the cherry and so on.If the player doesn't get picked up in the first round then his price drop by a set amount.The bottom club can use their 2nd rd pick. Other players can also be placed into the system but have less bargaining power.There should be no swapping of draft picks or pre arranged swaps. 

AFLPA would never agree to that concept.  They want to increase their freedom to choose where and for whom they 'work' for, this is the trend in most major sports around the world and AFL will be no different. 

The Chief, I agree with you ,like all good things (referring to the rich)  eventually they will come crashind down with a thud.

I cant find anything about this and id be surprised if 1) hawthorn wanted someone with as much baggage as Martin and 2) Hawthorn would be able to afford his asking price without upsetting the rest of the playing list

9 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I like Hawthorn now.

They gifted us Jordan Lewis. And he is exactly what this team needed. We will play finals this season as a result.

I reckon we'll own Hawthorn this year.

 

I like it when you talk dirty Ron!

I think he will go to the saints, their whole plan was based around signing a big fish free agent and I think Martin is the only one they're a chance to get. 

On 3/3/2017 at 8:23 AM, Clint Bizkit said:

Because they just got rid of Lewis, Mitchell and Hodge will most likely retire.

Think before you post.

Of course I realise that but thats my point. The very reason teams should fall after sustained success is exqctly that - the talented players retire. Clubs should then fall down the ladder and relad on fresh talent from the draft.

Free agency has killed the system because it allows the clubs who already had talent when it came in to effect, to stay at the top. They use their older stars as currency and continuously 'top up' to stay at the pointy end of the comp.

Your example of mitchell, hodge, lewis leaving should result in hawthorns era ending as they drop down the ladder. not for them to keep swapping out for new guns and remain at the top, like a Man U do in EPL. Its not good for the comp

I've always felt the cap should have some element of reward for player development and retention. Such that if a player, say, is drafted by the club or is with the club by a certain age, after a given number of years that player can be offered x% of their contract outside of the basic cap. And so forth on a sliding scale for years of service at the one club.

I've never seen a monetary figure given for the cost of developing an individual player, but I hate to see clubs lose out on such an investment so easily.

Slim Dusty to Hawthorn?? I think he might be passed it! Great singer, but!!

On 04/03/2017 at 3:32 PM, ENYAW said:

What is the point of the AFL trying to even up the comp.if elite players end up at the elite clubs. If an experience player of 100 games and is considered an elite players (some system would be required to determine eliteness) no longer want to play for their existing club,he should go into the draft with a set asking price.The bottom club get first bite of the cherry and so on.If the player doesn't get picked up in the first round then his price drop by a set amount.The bottom club can use their 2nd rd pick. Other players can also be placed into the system but have less bargaining power.There should be no swapping of draft picks or pre arranged swaps. 

Such as Jordan Lewis at Melbourne. Fits your definition. At least in my imagination.

14 hours ago, Skuit said:

I've always felt the cap should have some element of reward for player development and retention. Such that if a player, say, is drafted by the club or is with the club by a certain age, after a given number of years that player can be offered x% of their contract outside of the basic cap. And so forth on a sliding scale for years of service at the one club.

I've never seen a monetary figure given for the cost of developing an individual player, but I hate to see clubs lose out on such an investment so easily.

That's a good idea.  There could be a fixed payment outside the cap - if it's based on the player's contract then it will be open to manipulation.  I think based on games milestones at the club would be better than years because that better reflects player importance - I don't think Jake Spencer should receive a loyalty bonus.  50 games is too early, 100 is a good place to start.

Salary Cap/Number on list (~$300k) bonus at each of 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 games

Probably approached Petracca first, found out he was interested in has beens, then went for Dusty.

Overpriced, talented - but with question marks hanging over him. So one thing is for sure, if he wasn't already at Richmond then Richmond would be chasing him hard!

On 3/3/2017 at 6:54 PM, Demi Dee said:

I'm just picturing the Martin's at the Hawthorn Family Day. 

All using chopsticks at a BBQ.