Money wise yes I see it.  But Sydney and GC will want quality players or 1st round picks.  33 doesn't make a huge difference.

Edited October 11, 20169 yr by hells bells

Id hazard a guess darling might be in the mix with a mitchell trade. With roughy out they have some issues up forward. I don't rate sicily and they need more than rioli and puopolo

2 minutes ago, hells bells said:

Money wise yes I see it.  But Sydney and GC will want quality players or 1st round picks.  33 doesn't make a huge difference.

No, but it gives them another pick as currency. So they can trade picks 14 and 33 and still have 35.

 

1 minute ago, binman said:

Id hazard a guess darling might be in the mix with a mitchell trade. With roughy out they have some issues up forward. I don't rate sicily and they need more than rioli and puopolo

0 chance of that IMO. Darling is 24.

 

Sure Mitchell has a connection with Simpson but he has a young family... moving across the country would be hard.  Does any other Victorian based club see an opportunity here!!

It smells like the Hawks have salary cap PRESSURE and need Sam Mitchell to move if they are to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara (bringing in $800k-$1mill in incoming salary) 

27 minutes ago, stuie said:

I'm guessing you didn't hear the interview with him then? He sounded really happy about going to WC.

 

Will you be starting a thread about how we should be chasing Mitchell hard?

With regards to our involvement in the trade period to date, Essendon are obviously being pains in the arses as per usual.  I reckon our first pick this year has been earmarked to somehow get us a better pick, hence why we don't want to give it up to Essendon.  Because we haven't been able to do the Hibberd deal yet is probably holding us up on other deals.

I can't imagine Hawks (nor Adam Simpson) dragging Mitchell thru some shoddy horse-trading. 

People need to understand Hawks do not operate like 'greedy' clubs like Coll, Ess or poorly managed clubs.  Hawks are very very professional.

Hawks need:

• the list spot (none of their players will go to GCS)
• the salary cap space and
• a nothing pick to take their 3 minimum draftees as they will use all their other picks to get Mitchell (who want picks, not players)

He is so highly respected they would let him walk for a nothing pick to get him where he wants to go.

6 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Will you be starting a thread about how we should be chasing Mitchell hard?

With regards to our involvement in the trade period to date, Essendon are obviously being pains in the arses as per usual.  I reckon our first pick this year has been earmarked to somehow get us a better pick, hence why we don't want to give it up to Essendon.  Because we haven't been able to do the Hibberd deal yet is probably holding us up on other deals.

Huh?

 

10 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Sure Mitchell has a connection with Simpson but he has a young family... moving across the country would be hard.  Does any other Victorian based club see an opportunity here!!

It smells like the Hawks have salary cap PRESSURE and need Sam Mitchell to move if they are to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara (bringing in $800k-$1mill in incoming salary) 

I suggest you listen to his interview on SEN this morning. You couldn't hear a more honest unambiguous football interview in your life.

Hawthorn also had salary cap pressure when Buddy was becoming a free agent, and they faced the reality that he would go. They didn't dwell on it, and won the next 2 flags. 

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I can't imagine Hawks (nor Adam Simpson) dragging Mitchell thru some shoddy horse-trading. 

People need to understand Hawks do not operate like 'greedy' clubs like Coll, Ess or poorly managed clubs.  Hawks are very very professional.

Hawks need:

• the list spot (none of their players will go to GCS)
• the salary cap space and
• a nothing pick to take their 3 minimum draftees as they will use all their other picks to get Mitchell (who want picks, not players)

He is so highly respected they would let him walk for a nothing pick to get him where he wants to go.

Salary cap space with (Sam) Mitchell wouldn't be as much an issue as 50% of his salary contributes to the cap.  Bit like Bartel and Enright at Geelong - they were costing the club bugger all, hence why they still can't afford Deledio and Tuohy.

By the way, the story broke overnight in Perth, not by Purple this article is @ 4.56am  http://www.theage.com.au/afl/west-coast-eagles/afl-trade-bombshell-could-hawks-premiership-hero-sam-mitchell-be-headed-west-20161011-gs04fv.html

Edited October 11, 20169 yr by Lucifer's Hero

1 minute ago, billy2803 said:

Salary cap space with (Sam) Mitchell wouldn't be as much an issue as 50% of his salary contributes to the cap.  Bit like Bartel and Enright at Geelong - they were costing the club bugger all, hence why they still can't afford Deledio and Tuohy.

There's no veterans allowance from 2017.

 

3 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I suggest you listen to his interview on SEN this morning. You couldn't hear a more honest unambiguous football interview in your life.

This.

41 minutes ago, stuie said:

I'm guessing you didn't hear the interview with him then? He sounded really happy about going to WC.

 

No I didn't, but have since read his comments. He seems ok with going, but I stand by my post.

He didn't initiate this and no matter how you dress it up one of the greatest Hawks of all time, who is contracted for one more year, is being asked to leave and play at another club.

There is absolutely no doubt that he could have got an assistant coaching role at numerous clubs after he finishes playing. 

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

There's no veterans allowance from 2017.

 

Thanks Stuart, wasn't aware of that.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

No I didn't, but have since read his comments. He seems ok with going, but I stand by my post.

He didn't initiate this and no matter how you dress it up one of the greatest Hawks of all time, who is contracted for one more year, is being asked to leave and play at another club.

There is absolutely no doubt that he could have got an assistant coaching role at numerous clubs after he finishes playing. 

Mate. Listen to the interview.

 

2 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Thanks Stuart, wasn't aware of that.

Glad I could assist your learning William.

 

23 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Will you be starting a thread about how we should be chasing Mitchell hard?

With regards to our involvement in the trade period to date, Essendon are obviously being pains in the arses as per usual.  I reckon our first pick this year has been earmarked to somehow get us a better pick, hence why we don't want to give it up to Essendon.  Because we haven't been able to do the Hibberd deal yet is probably holding us up on other deals.

Maybe we are looking at some trades that will give us an additional second round pick but not as high as the one we already have?

Edited October 11, 20169 yr by jnrmac

The Mitchell to WCE sounds like it has been discussed and orchestrared behind the scenes, over a long period of time, and completed without media leaks or hype. I hate the Hawks for their success but this hs been handled brilliantly. 

However, knowing I am old fashioned now, the idea of moving on a decorated player, 5 time club champion and ex-captain just feels wrong. Even though I know Grimes' time at MFC is over, it felt similar, and he is not in the same ballpark as Mitchell in terms of ability and success.  Why can't Mitchell stay at his club, take a pay cut similar to what he would get at WCE, and begin his assistant coaching career at Hawthorn? He can experience another club later.

People ARE culture - and Mitchell moving on like this means business triumphs over culture. 

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

No I didn't, but have since read his comments. He seems ok with going, but I stand by my post.

He didn't initiate this and no matter how you dress it up one of the greatest Hawks of all time, who is contracted for one more year, is being asked to leave and play at another club.

There is absolutely no doubt that he could have got an assistant coaching role at numerous clubs after he finishes playing. 

Wrong again on 2 counts. It was initially discussed 12 months ago and Mitchell thinks it's best in his interests to make the move now. It's his decision to make as to whether he stays or goes.

He could have got a job elsewhere after he retired, but he clearly wants to work under Simpson, and the timing is right for all parties.

Hawk's just know how to get things done the right way and looking after a legend of their club. Good on them and Weagles for sorting something out. 

P.S - it might be a bit easier to do this kind of stuff when you've won 4 flags in 8 years. Not many people will scold you through it, except the odd whinging hawk supporter.

Edited October 11, 20169 yr by stinga81

25 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Sure Mitchell has a connection with Simpson but he has a young family... moving across the country would be hard.  Does any other Victorian based club see an opportunity here!!

It smells like the Hawks have salary cap PRESSURE and need Sam Mitchell to move if they are to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara (bringing in $800k-$1mill in incoming salary) 

No way those two are  getting $800k-$1m.  It would be much more. GC offered o'meara over $800k for 4 years. Mitchell is leaving for more money. 

Before commenting on the Sam Mitchell situation listen to the SEN interview.

8 minutes ago, stuie said:

Mate. Listen to the interview.

 

I will mate, but just for the record is there anything in my post, that the interview indicated was incorrect.  

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

Glad I could assist your learning William.

 

Laws of averages suggested it would happen one day.