POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 19

[Go the Biff 3,360]

1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Now that I've calmed down a bit I'm quite happy to just take the win and move on. I felt totally sapped after the game. It almost felt like a loss. I'd prefer to be crap and win than the reverse of totally outplaying them and losing, like last week.

The footy gods smiled on us this week with GC being the opposition we brought this against. Talk about dodging a bullet.

That's pretty much it for me too Nasher

[Go the Biff 3,360]

1 minute ago, DemonAndrew said:

hogan's first half - seven marks - was terrific. lead up at the ball carrier and played a true chf role.

 

after his knee knack, he could barely leap off the ground nor run.

 

it's hard to imagine he'll be right to go next week.

Don't be stupid DA. He's over-rated, a sook and wants to go to Freo

Have you learned nothing here ?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

A lot of discussion in the stands today that I heard was that he's overrated and that Lynch is clearly the better player. What I'd say to this is that his attitude, work-rate and goal kicking action need a lot of work, but his ceiling is a whole lot higher than Lynch's and still remains a once in a generation prospect. 

Lynch is almost the best tall forward in the league at the minute, and has many pre-seasons over Hogan.  I get that you're not being critical of Hogan at all in this regard, and I agree that his ceiling is higher, but because Jesse has been so good early in his career it means supporters over-react when he has some down weeks, which a kid of his age is bound to have.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Sucks to see Hogan go goalless two weeks in a row. 0.2 from 3 gettable attempts.  He really has to see one go through early and get his confidence up

[jumbo returns 6,703]

50 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I personally blame Mark Neeld. I think he had something to do with Bernie's off day today.

Exactly! And his recruiting of same....

Seriously, Bernie seems to be 'up' when we're involved in big games.

Sensational against the Hawks, poor against Freo, up against Crows, down today....

[Flemo56 396]

I thought we were gunna lose again......

A win and four points, in a close and horrible to watch game of footy, and more experience for them. I thought Hunt in particular in the last qrt showed real desperation and a desire not to be beaten, along with Watts, pleasing to see that. Frost and Omac showed enough to be happy with for the future. Brayshaw,Tracca and Stetch all good, and learning the hard way with no real leadership, that we so clearly lack in this team.  

[Biffen 12,812]

3 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Exactly! And his recruiting of same....

Seriously, Bernie seems to be 'up' when we're involved in big games.

Sensational against the Hawks, poor against Freo, up against Crows, down today....

That's good really.

He may be rested more often in the future and saved for such occasions I hope.

[Adam The God 29,331]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Lynch is almost the best tall forward in the league at the minute, and has many pre-seasons over Hogan.  I get that you're not being critical of Hogan at all in this regard, and I agree that his ceiling is higher, but because Jesse has been so good early in his career it means supporters over-react when he has some down weeks, which a kid of his age is bound to have.

I agree. Was exactly my response. He has 60 games on Jesse.

[What 18,810]

Petracca only had 14 touches yet he stood out like a sore thumb.  His kicking and decision making are already first class.

[Adam The God 29,331]

3 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

Sucks to see Hogan go goalless two weeks in a row. 0.2 from 3 gettable attempts.  He really has to see one go through early and get his confidence up

It probably says a lot about the development of our midfield that we can still be in games (this week win it and last week lose it by a single kick) without him kicking goals. Also, our greatest win under Roos came at the Cattery last year (still stoked to have been there) and we were Jesse-less.

Edited July 31, 2016 by AdamFphlebeb

[barneymfc 152]

9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Lynch is almost the best tall forward in the league at the minute, and has many pre-seasons over Hogan.  I get that you're not being critical of Hogan at all in this regard, and I agree that his ceiling is higher, but because Jesse has been so good early in his career it means supporters over-react when he has some down weeks, which a kid of his age is bound to have.

so  good in his 2 yr career ha ha ha,look at  cameron

[Gator 17,229]

13 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Now that I've calmed down a bit I'm quite happy to just take the win and move on. I felt totally sapped after the game. It almost felt like a loss. However, I'd prefer to be crap and win than the reverse of totally outplaying them and losing, like last week.

The footy gods smiled on us this week with GC being the opposition we brought this against. Talk about dodging a bullet.

Geelong should have lost to Essendon earlier in the year.  They were pitiful and just got over the line.  They'll probably make top 4.

There are some games you just move on from. 

This is one of them. 

[Adam The God 29,331]

31 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Exactly! And his recruiting of same....

Seriously, Bernie seems to be 'up' when we're involved in big games.

Sensational against the Hawks, poor against Freo, up against Crows, down today....

Not good enough from a senior player. My sister and I were talking about this after the game. The younger players must look around and go, 'oh well, Bernie is having another stinker this week, he's a senior player, so I have to be superman to bridge the gap'. The senior players in our group continually lower the standards of the rest of the players and soon, this has to change if we're going to be a serious threat in the next 3-5 years.

Edited July 31, 2016 by AdamFphlebeb

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, barneymfc said:

so  good in his 2 yr career ha ha ha,look at  cameron

You're following me around like a bad smell.

Hogan will be terrific.  What a pity you not only can't see it, but seem to enjoy it. 

[beelzebub 23,197]

As usual there are those that want to twist events and outcomes to sate their own argument. 

My view has never been its just good enough to win only about winning. 

Its to be able to play football properly and capably in a manner that wins.

Last week we threw away a win because a team had no idea how to. Not a lot changed this week other than we were playing a distinctly undermanned team who play woefully away. We still as a team had no idea how to Play properly or capably and it was purely the efforts of Avery few and especially one that saved us the ignominy ofagain stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. 

If anyone found that game anything other than offensive to the eye then they have very different standards to many of us who found it a deplorable effort as a team. If GC had been a tad better we would have lost again and deservedly so.

We took the 4 points but in as much a sheepish fashion as must be possible. 

Only a small handful of Dees could be justified in being content with effort and outcome and certainly none would have been sitting in the box.

Some folk here have a very skewed appreciation of reality. Matches their ability to present it.

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4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Geelong should have lost to Essendon earlier in the year.  They were pitiful and just got over the line.  They'll probably make top 4.

There are some games you just move on from. 

This is one of them. 

Couldn't agree more. It's ironic that a man I never agree with on politics is also a man I tend to agree with 7 times out of ten on footy matters.

[Gator 17,229]

Jeez Hogan gets marked hard.  After 36 games he'd kicked 83 goals and after 36 games Lynch had kicked 33.  Just a lazy 50 difference.  Lynch is a gun, but he too took time. 

Hogan is finding life tougher, but he has a heap of upside.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I liked it when Vince handpassed it to Harmes who was running away and facing away from him.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

As usual there are those that want to twist events and outcomes to sate their own argument. 

I thought it was just about winning for you... ?

I'd love to hear how you think some twist events and outcomes, as I think every poster in here acknowledged that it was a terrible performance today, but as always it's still a relief to take the 4 points.  I know you like to think you're some sort of oracle, and that people can't see all parts of the game, but you're quite wrong on this one.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,057]

Just back at The Manor after a very shitty game of football.

Jack Watts played his best game ever. This was the game of a mature footballer and leader who was on the spot when most needed.

Dom Tyson was effective without being spectacular. Geez he worked hard.

We frigged around with ball to a chronic level. What is the problem with kicking the ball toward our goals? I would also like to know what Hogan's role is? He works his arse off and takes marks/gains possession all over the ground. Can he do this and be a key forward? I must say that Jack Watts did just this but he has about 100 games hard won experience on Hogan. Jesse seems down on confidence to me and I wonder if lack of role clarity is contributing?

[Gator 17,229]

2 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Couldn't agree more. It's ironic that a man I never agree with on politics is also a man I tend to agree with 7 times out of ten on footy matters.

If we were having a beer we'd probably be closer on politics than we are here on the argy bargy of a forum. 

[beelzebub 23,197]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I thought it was just about winning for you... ?

I'd love to hear how you think some twist events and outcomes, as I think every poster in here acknowledged that it was a terrible performance today, but as always it's still a relief to take the 4 points.  I know you like to think you're some sort of oracle, and that people can't see all parts of the game, but you're quite wrong on this one.

Again you start in error...and persist.

We got 4 points in a very undeserved fashion.

Can you say that ? 

 

[Adam The God 29,331]

11 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Just back at The Manor after a very shitty game of football.

Jack Watts played his best game ever. This was the game of a mature footballer and leader who was on the spot when most needed.

Dom Tyson was effective without being spectacular. Geez he worked hard.

We frigged around with ball to a chronic level. What is the problem with kicking the ball toward our goals? I would also like to know what Hogan's role is? He works his arse off and takes marks/gains possession all over the ground. Can he do this and be a key forward? I must say that Jack Watts did just this but he has about 100 games hard won experience on Hogan. Jesse seems down on confidence to me and I wonder if lack of role clarity is contributing?

I reckon people see a couple of turn overs or HTBs against Tyson and dismiss him a bit. He is having a terrific second half of 2016. He's matching his 2014, he just needs to start hitting the scoreboard more. But he's one of our best players every week and still people overlook him. For a guy who's only played 67 games (many injury-interrupted), he is a serious talent and we're lucky to have him. I feel he might be a bit like a Scott Thompson or a Sam Mitchell pre-2015, a perennial underrated star. But he's only going to get better and I'm looking forward to it.

Oh and he was best on ground quite easily today. Not flashy, but kept us in the game for three quarters.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Again you start in error...and persist.

We got 4 points in a very undeserved fashion.

Can you say that ? 

 

I did, pages ago.  Just as pretty much everyone else did.  You seemed to have missed that.

[KingDingAling 3,737]

Our midfielders were absolutely disgraceful today. Not only didn't they make full use of Max Gawn, but they consistently burnt Watts on the lead. Pathetic. Thankfully Watts kept trying, and eventually he was rewarded. Will be a much easier game to watch when quality like Petracca and Oliver roam that midfield.