9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just finished watching the Geelong game from last year on Fox. Just thought id make a few notes what I personally think of the future an beyond for some players.

For starters I thought this game was a glimpse into the future on how we are going to play a physical and aggressive nature in the coming years. Blokes like Gawn Brayshaw Viney Jones led the way with this.

Brayshaw: Will be a star this kid, I have no doubt that with another pre season under his belt we will see him grow in confidence and by the end of the year he will be a starting on baller. Is a brute around the contests and did not shirk a contest at all.

Viney: A star and completely owned that [censored] Selwood. A beast around the stoppages who will explode this year. Future leader and has some serious angry pills going on

Gawn: Will be known as the game that saved Gawns career. What he showed was seriously mouth watering and from all training reports and the big rev up by Roosy I have no doubt he will be in AA calculations barring injury.

Stretch: Goes about his business quietly but has a lot of class and poise. Don't think I have ever seen him waste a disposal and against the cats he just showed so much maturity and calmness. I rate this kid highly due to his willingness to spread hard an use his running ability.

Dawes: I'm such a hard critic of this bloke but he was very good. He hustles and bustles through contests and showed good leadership. Problem with him is that he doesn't take enough marks of kick goals.

Neal Bullen: Little terrier who will be a good in and under midfielder/half forward. An interesting player who I draw comparisons to Rory Sloane due to his competitive streak and toughness. Will be one to watch in 2016

Vince: Star

Tyson: One of his better games with his clearance ability and class. A bigger and fitter Tyson in 2016 will be exciting to watch.

This game we were also without Hogan Salem Vandenberg Garland Kent Frost Trengove. Add Petracca Oliver Bugg Kennedy Harmes who all have aggressive and competitiveness traits in them and we are going to really push sides this year in the top end.

Unfortunately, all that was goodness and light from that performance was negated by some of the other games that followed, notably the thrashing we received at the hands of the Doggies and a couple of the other stronger sides and also four defeats (St Kilda x 2, Essendon and the humiliation from Carlton) at the hands of teams that finished below us. I acknowledge that there might have been some excuses for those displays but unless we address the inconsistency and overcome it, that glimpse into the future will not be as rosy as the result of the Geelong game might have indicated.

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Gawn: Will be known as the game that saved Gawns career.

It didn't "save" his career. He was always next in line to Jamar who was on his last legs (Spencer has never been a long term first ruck option), that game simply highlighted what some of us knew he could do.

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Unfortunately, all that was goodness and light from that performance was negated by some of the other games that followed, notably the thrashing we received at the hands of the Doggies and a couple of the other stronger sides and also four defeats (St Kilda x 2, Essendon and the humiliation from Carlton) at the hands of teams that finished below us. I acknowledge that there might have been some excuses for those displays but unless we address the inconsistency and overcome it, that glimpse into the future will not be as rosy as the result of the Geelong game might have indicated.

Happens with all young developing sides WJ. The Geelongs, Hawthorns and Port have all gone through this stage. I have absolute faith in the coming years we will start to win the games we are suppose to once our young team starts to mature and grow in experience. Will happen this year as well.

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

but unless we address the inconsistency and overcome it,

How would you do that?  Are you suggesting we are not addressing them?

Surely suggesting that unless we overcome our inconsistency things will not be as rosy as the result of the Geelong game might indicate is self evident.  It's like saying unless we improve we'll be no better.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Does anyone know where I can find last years round 4 Richmond  game online somewhere ? Wouldn't mind watching the birth of Christ again 

Edited February 7, 20169 yr by JV7

18 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

How would you do that?  Are you suggesting we are not addressing them?

Surely suggesting that unless we overcome our inconsistency things will not be as rosy as the result of the Geelong game might indicate is self evident.  It's like saying unless we improve we'll be no better.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

I thought what he was getting at would have been evident to 99.9% of the population.

But that's just me.  Carry on.

Just now, JV7 said:

Does anyone know where I can find last years round 4 Richmond  game online somewhere ? Wouldn't mind watching the birth of Christ again 

It should be on YouTube - I believe the highlights are there plus a few of the full quarters were uploaded as well.

24 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I thought what he was getting at would have been evident to 99.9% of the population.

But that's just me.  Carry on.

That's what surprises me. Jack usually makes pertinent comments and if this is one I've missed it.

What do you think he was saying?

35 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Does anyone know where I can find last years round 4 Richmond  game online somewhere ? Wouldn't mind watching the birth of Christ again 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, Baghdad Bob said:

That's what surprises me. Jack usually makes pertinent comments and if this is one I've missed it.

What do you think he was saying?

As you said in your previous post he makes a point that is rather evident, but I think what he is trying to say (and correct me if I'm wrong WJ) is that until we address the inconsistency on the field then wins like the Geelong one will quickly become meaningless.

I think we all know we would certainly be trying to address this over the off season with a change in game plan and such, but it's one thing to do it there.  We need to translate that to match day.  Beating Geelong is fantastic, and I'm sure we all hope we can have those results again this year, but those wins won't mean anything in terms of our development as a club until we can also then eliminate the poor losses like we had last year.

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

As you said in your previous post he makes a point that is rather evident, but I think what he is trying to say (and correct me if I'm wrong WJ) is that until we address the inconsistency on the field then wins like the Geelong one will quickly become meaningless.

I think we all know we would certainly be trying to address this over the off season with a change in game plan and such, but it's one thing to do it there.  We need to translate that to match day.  Beating Geelong is fantastic, and I'm sure we all hope we can have those results again this year, but those wins won't mean anything in terms of our development as a club until we can also then eliminate the poor losses like we had last year.

Yes, that's what I thought he was saying, in fact it's pretty much what he said.  Perhaps there's more to it though.  Saying unless we improve we won't get better is pretty self evident. Jack usually has some substance to his posts so I thought I'd missed something.

 

47 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Does anyone know where I can find last years round 4 Richmond  game online somewhere ? Wouldn't mind watching the birth of Christ again 

That was one of the highlights of the season for me. Had no voice the next day. Hope history repeats itself again this year. Nothing like beating the Tigers.

Just now, Baghdad Bob said:

Yes, that's what I thought he was saying, in fact it's pretty much what he said.  Perhaps there's more to it though.  Saying unless we improve we won't get better is pretty self evident. Jack usually has some substance to his posts so I thought I'd missed something.

 

I don't think you've missed something, possibly it's more in the interpretation.

It's easy to see the Geelong win, for example, as proof we have improved... but then have we?  If we back that up with embarrassing losses to both Essendon and Carlton, can we truly say we have become a better side?

7 wins says we has, but until we back up a terrific win by beating sides we SHOULD be beating, then we can't keep coming back to those wins as a bastion of improvement.

1 hour ago, Baghdad Bob said:

How would you do that?  Are you suggesting we are not addressing them?

Surely suggesting that unless we overcome our inconsistency things will not be as rosy as the result of the Geelong game might indicate is self evident.  It's like saying unless we improve we'll be no better.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

We have coaches to address that.

Do you disagree that we have to addres inconsistency?

17 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

We have coaches to address that.

Do you disagree that we have to addres inconsistency?

Of course we have to address it.  I'm with you, it just seemed pretty self evident.  I also think we need to address our skills, our game plan, our fitness, our recovery, our training loads, our development, our competitiveness, our resilience, our list management, our leadership, our medical management and our rotation policy just to name a few. But I think that's self evident also.

But you picked inconsistency out especially and I'm wondering why.  Do you think the coaches aren't addressing it?

 

14 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Of course we have to address it.  I'm with you, it just seemed pretty self evident.  I also think we need to address our skills, our game plan, our fitness, our recovery, our training loads, our development, our competitiveness, our resilience, our list management, our leadership, our medical management and our rotation policy just to name a few. But I think that's self evident also.

But you picked inconsistency out especially and I'm wondering why.  Do you think the coaches aren't addressing it?

 

I think you misunderstand my point which was that the Geelong game highlighted our inconsistency because of the events that followed.

I wasn't commenting on whether the coaches were addressing the issue - that should be self-evident. It's what they're paid for. Nor was I suggesting that I have the prescription for eliminating or minimising inconsistency but my guess is that if you deal properly with all of the aspects bolded above and mentioned by you then, along with the natural improvement, experience and maturity of your list, then you'll go a long to resolving a problem that's hounded us for the best part of a decade.

26 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Of course we have to address it.  I'm with you, it just seemed pretty self evident.  I also think we need to address our skills, our game plan, our fitness, our recovery, our training loads, our development, our competitiveness, our resilience, our list management, our leadership, our medical management and our rotation policy just to name a few. But I think that's self evident also.

But you picked inconsistency out especially and I'm wondering why.  Do you think the coaches aren't addressing it?

 

I think one of the ways we are looking to address our inconsistency is by filling the team with competitive beasts giving consistent efforts.

20 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I think you misunderstand my point which was that the Geelong game highlighted our inconsistency because of the events that followed.

I wasn't commenting on whether the coaches were addressing the issue - that should be self-evident. It's what they're paid for. Nor was I suggesting that I have the prescription for eliminating or minimising inconsistency but my guess is that if you deal properly with all of the aspects bolded above and mentioned by you then, along with the natural improvement, experience and maturity of your list, then you'll go a long to resolving a problem that's hounded us for the best part of a decade.

I think that rather than the Geelong game highlighting our inconsistency it highlighted our potential.  We'd been beaten by the Power, the Pies and the Saints in the previous three weeks and then we jump out of the box and beat the Cats.  That was a mighty effort.  We then lost the next few. I'd say the Cats game was an anomaly rather than highlighting our inconsistency because we won only one game out of the about 7 or 8 only beating the Lions in a terrible game during that period.  We were consistently awful really.

I'm just not quite sure why you are highlighting a negative out of our best win.  Unnecessarily critical I would have thought.  Each to their own.

 

12 minutes ago, Big Kev said:

I think one of the ways we are looking to address our inconsistency is by filling the team with competitive beasts giving consistent efforts.

So Kev you're disagreeing with Jack who says it's the coaches that must overcome our inconsistent play and that we are doing it through list management. Actually you're probably saying it's both which I agree with.

 

2 hours ago, JV7 said:

Does anyone know where I can find last years round 4 Richmond  game online somewhere ? Wouldn't mind watching the birth of Christ again 

JV - I go to AFL smart replay, all games from last season are online. Has handy markers below the vision where you can skip to goals etc. worth also skipping to hoges' first goal against GCS in round 1 (3Q), lovely passage of play.

Not sure which game it was - but watching Paul Hopgood - I don't remember him being that good but he was really really good in the game they replayed

1 hour ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I think that rather than the Geelong game highlighting our inconsistency it highlighted our potential.  We'd been beaten by the Power, the Pies and the Saints in the previous three weeks and then we jump out of the box and beat the Cats.  That was a mighty effort.  We then lost the next few. I'd say the Cats game was an anomaly rather than highlighting our inconsistency because we won only one game out of the about 7 or 8 only beating the Lions in a terrible game during that period.  We were consistently awful really.

I'm just not quite sure why you are highlighting a negative out of our best win.  Unnecessarily critical I would have thought.  Each to their own.

 

So Kev you're disagreeing with Jack who says it's the coaches that must overcome our inconsistent play and that we are doing it through list management. Actually you're probably saying it's both which I agree with.

 

Exactly my point. The Geelong game was a glimpse into the future with the potential we have led by the likes of Brayshaw Gawn Viney Stretch ANB and Tyson. All these guys made solid contribution in the Geelong game and watching it the 2nd time i was blown away how Stretch Brayshaw ANB played like 100 game veterans instead of first year players. They did not once look out of their depth unlike poor Jimmy Toumpas who really did just looked way out of his depth.

Lets not forget we didn't have Hogan Petracca Vandenberg Kent Frost Garland Salem and even Trengove. 

I thought WJ comment was odd as we all should be well aware that young developing side will all have consistency problems along the way. While its easy to say we got thrashed by the doggies we also defeated Richmond and Western Bulldogs beforehand who both played finals footy. Just shows we are not far off also.

I also think we underestimate how big of a toll injuries to key players like Viney Kent Tyson Trengove Vandenberg Salem and to lesser extent Petracca who all missed big chunks of footy during the year which affected enormously to some our performance. When all 7 players are fit and firing i have no doubt we could have won alot more games.

The game against Freo in 97 was actually a joy to watch. Hopgood a surprising standout as nutty mentions but also..

Viney senior attacking the ground ball like his life depended on it in a BOG display

Robbo ("from the Tassie Mariners..") playing in his third game and aweing the commentators with his clean hands and goal sense

Junior impressing in just his fourth game leading Drew Morphett to observe, "this boy can really play"

Ooze's exquisite skills

Shaun Smith doing what he does - a hanger in the goal square, 3 kicks for 3 goals

Wiz kicking six, the sixth being a goal on the run from the boundary which was the best of the lot, leading Morphett to mourn that "he'd have kicked ten if he hadn't spent 30 minutes on the bench!"

Jimmy Stynes getting in the ear of a young Jeff White after he misses a goal, White of course is playing for the opposition but not for long 

Was a great stroll down memory lane.

 

 

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

It should be on YouTube - I believe the highlights are there plus a few of the full quarters were uploaded as well.

I downloaded the full game off Youtube a few months back

13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exactly my point. The Geelong game was a glimpse into the future

Yes I agree.  We were consistent last year.  We lost very regularly.  The Geelong and second Collingwood game were, as you say, a glimpse into the future.

1 hour ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I think that rather than the Geelong game highlighting our inconsistency it highlighted our potential.  We'd been beaten by the Power, the Pies and the Saints in the previous three weeks and then we jump out of the box and beat the Cats.  That was a mighty effort.  We then lost the next few. I'd say the Cats game was an anomaly rather than highlighting our inconsistency because we won only one game out of the about 7 or 8 only beating the Lions in a terrible game during that period.  We were consistently awful really.

I'm just not quite sure why you are highlighting a negative out of our best win.  Unnecessarily critical I would have thought.  Each to their own.

 

So Kev you're disagreeing with Jack who says it's the coaches that must overcome our inconsistent play and that we are doing it through list management. Actually you're probably saying it's both which I agree with.

 

I agree Bob, and with you as well dazzle.  The Geelong game was an excellent insight into the potential of this team when things click.  We were missing some key players as well that day which just goes to show how well we can play.  It had been a long time since we had a win like that one.

The weeks after that, however, highlighted that inconsistency.  If we could go out and roll the Cats like that, why couldn't we then win games against Carlton?  Or Essendon?  All of it together shows that we are still an inconsistent, but improving, side.

If we get it all to click on a regular basis then we will be a damn good football side.