25 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don't think so mate. I think it is time these players challenged themselves fully. For too long it has been "This is a development year" which takes of the heat. 

I want Roosy to coach the MFC to at least one final with Goodwin his right hand man

I don't think that will happen, we don't have enough good seasoned players and the Kids are just that Kids and also assumes all of them will develop into players capable of getting us the finals this year. Sadly it will not happen in 2016.

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

I think the title of this thread is a bit wrong.

The transition to Goodwin is not being treated as just a 'handball'. That implies avoidance of responsibility, a quick changeover and letting Goodwin sink or swim.

It should be gradual ... more like a series of transition moves linking from a defensive kick-out for a brilliant goal.

Probably taking the title a bit too seriously mate...

 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I don't think that will happen, we don't have enough good seasoned players and the Kids are just that Kids and also assumes all of them will develop into players capable of getting us the finals this year. Sadly it will not happen in 2016.

Which is exactly the same line that has been dragged out since 2008. And at the end of this season more players will leave with FA to grab that cheap flag.....

No more excuses.

All clubs are running kids. Just depends how hungry they are and the attitude in the head. 

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Which is exactly the same line that has been dragged out since 2008. And at the end of this season more players will leave with FA to grab that cheap flag.....

No more excuses.

All clubs are running kids. Just depends how hungry they are and the attitude in the head. 

Think it's more about average age and experience and the quality of the peak age players. Bit shallow to just say "all clubs are running kids".

 

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Think it's more about average age and experience and the quality of the peak age players. Bit shallow to just say "all clubs are running kids".

 

Not once the ball is bounced, it is all about attitude. Something this has not had for many years. 

We have enough experience and raw talent to have a successful year, if the playing group push themselves harder than they have before. 

The Colin Sylvia's and Brent Moloney's are gone...

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not once the ball is bounced, it is all about attitude. Something this has not had for many years. 

We have enough experience and raw talent to have a successful year, if the playing group push themselves harder than they have before. 

The Colin Sylvia's and Brent Moloney's are gone...

It's not just about attitude, otherwise Jordie McKenzie would have been a superstar.

 

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

It's not just about attitude, otherwise Jordie McKenzie would have been a superstar.

 

Ok Stuie. Just disagree will you

i don't have all afternoon. If we go through this year with the attitude of "We are not quite ready yet" as has been wheeled out for a decade then Roosy's time will be a failure. Yes he has turned over 30 odd players (thank God) but that is only half the job...

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not once the ball is bounced, it is all about attitude. Something this has not had for many years. 

We have enough experience and raw talent to have a successful year, if the playing group push themselves harder than they have before. 

The Colin Sylvia's and Brent Moloney's are gone...

 

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

It's not just about attitude, otherwise Jordie McKenzie would have been a superstar.

 

You have over simplified SWYL's comment Stu. He points out that we have the talent etc but it needs to be combined with the right attitude.

Imagine Col Sylvia with Jordie 's attitude.

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok Stuie. Just disagree will you

i don't have all afternoon. If we go through this year with the attitude of "We are not quite ready yet" as has been wheeled out for a decade then Roosy's time will be a failure. Yes he has turned over 30 odd players (thank God) but that is only half the job...

Mate, I don't disagree with you about what our attitude needs to be, I just disagree that that is all it takes.

We also need talent, experience, good structures and game plans, fitness, a little luck with injuries...

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Mate, I don't disagree with you about what our attitude needs to be, I just disagree that that is all it takes.

We also need talent, experience, good structures and game plans, fitness, a little luck with injuries...

Talent + Attitude = Experience

Jordie did the best he could

Brayshaw and Pretracca with the same attitude can taste September this year...

2 hours ago, Chris said:

A mark of the year nomination or 3!

Two actually but happy for the Pies to get those this year.  I just want us to make the eight!

37 minutes ago, stuie said:

It's not just about attitude, otherwise Jordie McKenzie would have been a superstar.

 

Maybe he will be for Essendon. Him and Bail are both amongst the players the AFL are pushing.

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

I think the title of this thread is a bit wrong.

The transition to Goodwin is not being treated as just a 'handball'. That implies avoidance of responsibility, a quick changeover and letting Goodwin sink or swim.

It should be gradual ... more like a series of transition moves linking from a defensive kick-out for a brilliant goal.

I can understand where you are coming from mauriesy, but I see two types of handball: 

• the first is the is 'old' Melbourne 'get out of trouble' handball ............ otherwise known as the 'absolve yourself of responsibility and put a team-mate under the pump'  handball;
• the second is the 'new' Melbourne 'put the team to advantage' creative handball.  I know these have been a rare events at Melbourne in the past decade, but I'm banking on them being a feature of our game style from 2016 and beyond.  

Surely the thread title is referring to the second type of handball, and should be left as it is  (lol).

5 hours ago, mauriesy said:

I think the title of this thread is a bit wrong.

The transition to Goodwin is not being treated as just a 'handball'. That implies avoidance of responsibility, a quick changeover and letting Goodwin sink or swim.

It should be gradual ... more like a series of transition moves linking from a defensive kick-out for a brilliant goal.

It can be a no-look behind-the-back flick pass for all I care, so long as Roosy is holding the premiership cup at the time ... 

10 hours ago, stuie said:

Probably taking the title a bit too seriously mate.

Probably taking my post a bit too seriously mate.

For me,  I'd rather the club shut up about the Goodwin transition. He can do all the work behind the scenes but leave Roos as the public face. 

That week reduce the pressure on him next year as rather than "you've had 12 months to prepare" it'll be his first year. 

 

I expect it will be a successful transition but i know how far back this club was and have relatively low expectations for how quickly we will propel upwards.

1 hour ago, deanox said:

For me,  I'd rather the club shut up about the Goodwin transition. He can do all the work behind the scenes but leave Roos as the public face. 

That week reduce the pressure on him next year as rather than "you've had 12 months to prepare" it'll be his first year. 

 

I expect it will be a successful transition but i know how far back this club was and have relatively low expectations for how quickly we will propel upwards.

Goodwin will be under the hammer from Round 1 2017. By then he will have had 2 years under Roos. Far more than most Rookie coaches get. 

He will hopefully thrive with the pressure. 

On ‎21‎/‎01‎/‎2016 at 1:09 PM, poita said:

I'd love to hand off most of my job responsibilities and still be paid many times more than the bloke doing all the work.

I can't believe the unconditional love for Roos around here. He only took the job because we gave him a pile of money too big to jump over, and has hardly embraced the club with open arms like he did at Sydney. Will he finally start using "we" this year, or do we have to endure another 12 months of "they".

I would argue that the quality of recruits has been really poor given the status of the coach. Vince and Cross were good, but there was hardly great demand for their services. Lumumba is a bust and was overpriced. Ditto Melksham. There is certainly nobody approaching an A grader on that list, and we are clearly no closer to being a destination club.

Good luck to Roos - he has been paid a fortune over the journey and can spend this year doing media and whatever else takes his fancy, without forgoing his wage or his title. But I sure as hell hope that his self-appointed replacement knows what he is doing or we will be back here again in 5 years.

I really fear for people like yourself and munga and old dee. When we starting winning more than we lose, what will you do? The negativity from you guys is unrelenting. Maybe our ascent will coincide with North Melbourne's decline and you can follow them in an attempt to get your fill of doom and gloom. It's almost as if you're not happy unless you're unhappy. Roos was hired to do more than simply coach a team. He along with Jackson, Bartlett, Taylor and Mahoney have significantly altered the culture of the MFC. We are a professionally run club with a healthy focus placed on training habits, leadership, competitiveness and a team-first culture. Roos has made these areas his focus. If you can't see where we're going from here, I feel sorry for you. Our CEO is one of the best in the business. Financially we're far more sound with increased footy dept spending. Our coach is a proven architect and shaper of footy club culture. The positivity coming from the player group about Goodwin is incredible. Taylor keeps picking aggressive, skilled, athletic footballers at both ends of the draft. We have elite talent that is on brink of being realized. Now is the time, to buckle up and enjoy the ride. The love for Roos isn't unconditional, but the criticisms are focused on his pay packet, match day performance and contributions to our training sessions. I don't care how much he gets paid if the aforementioned culture is on the improve and we continue to post profits. I could easily find fault with his game day decision making but in the long term I'm more interested in the development of culture and the unearthing of quality footballers. And finally, the direction of most sports with increasing staff sizes is for the head honcho to oversee more and more and provide less hands on attention. Roos is clearly in big picture mode and Goodwin is running the gameplan side of things. And gameplans are honed during training. It makes sense that he is running the show on the training paddock. It seems to me at least that the transition with McCartney overseeing everything is working beautifully. As supporters we're not used to transitions. As Melbourne supporters we're not accustomed to being a part of cutting edge footy dept thinking. This is what it looks like.

9 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

I really fear for people like yourself and munga and old dee. When we starting winning more than we lose, what will you do? The negativity from you guys is unrelenting. Maybe our ascent will coincide with North Melbourne's decline and you can follow them in an attempt to get your fill of doom and gloom. It's almost as if you're not happy unless you're unhappy. Roos was hired to do more than simply coach a team. He along with Jackson, Bartlett, Taylor and Mahoney have significantly altered the culture of the MFC. We are a professionally run club with a healthy focus placed on training habits, leadership, competitiveness and a team-first culture. Roos has made these areas his focus. If you can't see where we're going from here, I feel sorry for you. Our CEO is one of the best in the business. Financially we're far more sound with increased footy dept spending. Our coach is a proven architect and shaper of footy club culture. The positivity coming from the player group about Goodwin is incredible. Taylor keeps picking aggressive, skilled, athletic footballers at both ends of the draft. We have elite talent that is on brink of being realized. Now is the time, to buckle up and enjoy the ride. The love for Roos isn't unconditional, but the criticisms are focused on his pay packet, match day performance and contributions to our training sessions. I don't care how much he gets paid if the aforementioned culture is on the improve and we continue to post profits. I could easily find fault with his game day decision making but in the long term I'm more interested in the development of culture and the unearthing of quality footballers. And finally, the direction of most sports with increasing staff sizes is for the head honcho to oversee more and more and provide less hands on attention. Roos is clearly in big picture mode and Goodwin is running the gameplan side of things. And gameplans are honed during training. It makes sense that he is running the show on the training paddock. It seems to me at least that the transition with McCartney overseeing everything is working beautifully. As supporters we're not used to transitions. As Melbourne supporters we're not accustomed to being a part of cutting edge footy dept thinking. This is what it looks like.

I'm not sure about having a crack at fellow posters for expressing their views Goodvibes, but I reckon the bolded part of your post is 'spot on'.  Hopefully all Demonlanders will be 100% aligned to that view by the end of 2016.

Dear Mr Sir Why You Little… Yo mentioned" the playing group push themselves harder than they have before" The leadership group must install a system involving consequences for p.ss weak performances.The supporters deseve it and demand it. If players are not consistent they need to be punished by being drop to the reseves for several weeks. We have to cut  out the crap that spews out of some players mouth. Only the Captain should be allowed to comment on the teams performance after a match.

26 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

I'm not sure about having a crack at fellow posters for expressing their views Goodvibes, but I reckon the bolded part of your post is 'spot on'.  Hopefully all Demonlanders will be 100% aligned to that view by the end of 2016.

I don't want to speak on behalf of Goodvibes, and he is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he is having a crack at expressing their views - more that he feels sorry for them that their views are constantly negative, which they are.

They are always negative though.  It's rare to see them enjoying anything about the club which is a shame.

Good post as well Goodvibes, agree with all of it.

53 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

I'm not sure about having a crack at fellow posters for expressing their views Goodvibes, but I reckon the bolded part of your post is 'spot on'.  Hopefully all Demonlanders will be 100% aligned to that view by the end of 2016.

You're right. There's no need to highlight specific posters and I'm not usually in the habit of having a crack at fellow posters but I'm in a pretty positive place about my football team and whilst I agree that questioning aspects of our operation is healthy, I can't understand how so many can spend the majority of their posts finding negatives at a time when they're is so much to be positive about. My other team (Sheffield Wednesday) are also in a really positive place and it's amazing how many Wednesday supporters on their Demonland equivalent are so incessantly negative. I'm not sure if that can simply be put down to human nature or whether it goes with the territory for any team (and their supporters) that have gone through a sustained period of disappointment.

26 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

You're right. There's no need to highlight specific posters and I'm not usually in the habit of having a crack at fellow posters but I'm in a pretty positive place about my football team and whilst I agree that questioning aspects of our operation is healthy, I can't understand how so many can spend the majority of their posts finding negatives at a time when they're is so much to be positive about. My other team (Sheffield Wednesday) are also in a really positive place and it's amazing how many Wednesday supporters on their Demonland equivalent are so incessantly negative. I'm not sure if that can simply be put down to human nature or whether it goes with the territory for any team (and their supporters) that have gone through a sustained period of disappointment.

Anybody who has Sheffield Wednesday as a second team would have to read Lion and Tiger Comics

12 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anybody who has Sheffield Wednesday as a second team would have to read Lion and Tiger Comics

Can't say I ever have willmoy. What's the link?

11 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

Can't say I ever have willmoy. What's the link?

Back in the 50's I loved reading about the success of SW a down team that used to be in the before Premier league