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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - CLAYTON OLIVER

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9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You're kidding yourself.  Really, you are.

Jesse Hogan plays in Round 1 no matter what.  Even if he plays in two NAB Cup games and doesn't get a kick, he plays.  

The same goes for a number of other players.  We aren't Hawthorn.  We need our best 22 on the park.  The players might be on 'notice', but any person with half a brain knows that guys like Jones, Vince, Viney, McDonald, Gawn, Garland, Dunn, Salem, Tyson etc. will be playing in Round 1 if they aren't injured.  That's just common sense.

 

7 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

Garbage. There is not even the slightest possibility that N.Jones and Hogan would not be selected for round 1. In fact they would have to go through an extraorfinarily awful and lengthy run of bad form to be dropped. There are 'locks' at every club.

This is what I love about this site, I didn't say Hogan and Jones wouldn't be playing, I said the 'best' 22 will be on the park, that is the fittest and most in form, in the opinion of the coaching panel, not the supporters

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    23 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

    Garbage. There is not even the slightest possibility that N.Jones and Hogan would not be selected for round 1. In fact they would have to go through an extraorfinarily awful and lengthy run of bad form to be dropped. There are 'locks' at every club.

    You don't know anything about football because you don't go to watch training. 

    Watching games isn't the same as training.

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    On 3 December 2015 at 9:43 AM, nutbean said:

    This is absolutely it - You look at the Hawks last year - they wanted big seasons from Roughhead, Mitchell, Lewis, Rioli. Our expectation rose and fell on the back of a 20 year old forward who was in his first year of football.  

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    20 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

     

    This is what I love about this site, I didn't say Hogan and Jones wouldn't be playing, I said the 'best' 22 will be on the park, that is the fittest and most in form, in the opinion of the coaching panel, not the supporters

    No. Wiseblood asked you a direct question and you answered it incorrectly.

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    41 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

    Serious answer - the 22 for Rd 1 will consist of the fittest and most in form players at that moment, as I stated in another post, the players are on notice, you have to earn your spot and perform consistently to keep it.

    You will also notice that on the club website report for the final training session at Maroochydore, Nathan Jones was praised for his improved field running, a best and fairest winner who has had to improve this part of his game to make sure he gets a game

    Your last sentence would allude to that.

    "had to improve this part of his game to ensure he gets a game".

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    20 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

     

    This is what I love about this site, I didn't say Hogan and Jones wouldn't be playing, I said the 'best' 22 will be on the park, that is the fittest and most in form, in the opinion of the coaching panel, not the supporters

    Don't twist your words and meaning around now.  You said that no one was guaranteed a game, and I argued that this notion is ridiculous as we have a number of players who are an automatic walk up start.

    If you didn't say Hogan and Jones wouldn't be playing then you should have said SOME spots are up for grabs, not all.  

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    Not wanting to buy into the arguing Wise, but just interested to pose a thought...

    If, if Hogan came back from the six week break (or however long it was) pre Xmas with terrible skin folds having not done anything in WA and had a lacklustre preseason, would you automatically still pick him round 1? Hypothetical, obviously.

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    Wise and C & B, nothing that Saty said was wrong, controversial, inflammatory, opinionated or anything other than solid contribution. 

    Youve both gone out of your way to create an argument. Sort yourselves out, it's garbage and doesn't add to the conversation.

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    1 minute ago, watchtheeyes said:

    Wise and C & B, nothing that Saty said was wrong, controversial, inflammatory, opinionated or anything other than solid contribution. 

    Youve both gone out of your way to create an argument. Sort yourselves out, it's garbage and does add to the conversation.

    excuse me, there is a discussion going on about whether there is such thing as guaranteed spots in the 22. We are allowed to add our opinion. Saty is wrong on this occasion and we are respectfully arguing why. That's kinda, you know, the whole point of this site, yeah? Telling other people to play by your own personal rules of posting is not my idea of a solid contribution mate.

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    3 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Not wanting to buy into the arguing Wise, but just interested to pose a thought...

    If, if Hogan came back from the six week break (or however long it was) pre Xmas with terrible skin folds having not done anything in WA and had a lacklustre preseason, would you automatically still pick him round 1? Hypothetical, obviously.

    Yes. 

    Leigh Mathews said before the 2004 GF an injured Johno Brown is still better than the next best available.

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    Anyways lets get back to Clayton Oliver who i am genuinely excited to see play this year. Will be very interesting to see if Roosy does a 'Brayshaw' with him see how he goes at VFL level first. Going by the training reports seem to be really impressing so far!

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    8 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

    excuse me, there is a discussion going on about whether there is such thing as guaranteed spots in the 22. We are allowed to add our opinion. Saty is wrong on this occasion and we are respectfully arguing why. That's kinda, you know, the whole point of this site, yeah? Telling other people to play by your own personal rules of posting is not my idea of a solid contribution mate.

    There are differing opinions, not wrong opinions

     

    26 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    Don't twist your words and meaning around now.  You said that no one was guaranteed a game, and I argued that this notion is ridiculous as we have a number of players who are an automatic walk up start.

    If you didn't say Hogan and Jones wouldn't be playing then you should have said SOME spots are up for grabs, not all.  

    I haven't changed or twisted my words, I still stand by my opinion that finally we have reached a stage with the squad that nobody can be guaranteed a spot and you will have to earn it, hopefully both Nathan Jones and Jesse Hogan will be injury free, fully fit and in top form to be included in the 22 for the first game

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    3 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

    Ah hairsplitting the great internet sport.

    Be Like Bill.

    do you realise that you are currently reading a football discussion forum? Is there something else you were expecting to find other than people exchanging opinions?

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    Of course I do Curry; but sometimes watching a thread devolve into a case of school yard "he said - he said" point scoring and finger pointing does not really add much to the experience.  

    This just seems like point scoring and hairsplitting for the sake of it.  But you give it your best shot;  I am sure that you don't need my permission.

    "......Closes laptop and does something useful with his life"

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    26 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Not wanting to buy into the arguing Wise, but just interested to pose a thought...

    If, if Hogan came back from the six week break (or however long it was) pre Xmas with terrible skin folds having not done anything in WA and had a lacklustre preseason, would you automatically still pick him round 1? Hypothetical, obviously.

    Is that a realistic hypothetical though, mate?  It sounded like a few players returned from the 6 week break before pre-season a little underdone, but would the modern footballer turn up with terrible skin folds these days?  They might not do everything asked of them, or play basketball and injure themselves, but you would have to do plenty of terrible things not to get picked if you're Hogan.  Roos himself even suggested that, even though he is disappointed with the injury Petracca sustained, he is still well and truly in the running to play Round 1.  That tells us plenty.

    I wasn't looking to start an argument and derail the thread in this case, more that the idea that every spot is up for grabs is ludicrous and we all know it.  We need to play our best players each and every week.  

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    15 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

    There are differing opinions, not wrong opinions

     

    I haven't changed or twisted my words, I still stand by my opinion that finally we have reached a stage with the squad that nobody can be guaranteed a spot and you will have to earn it, hopefully both Nathan Jones and Jesse Hogan will be injury free, fully fit and in top form to be included in the 22 for the first game

    Don't want to turn this into a [censored] sling contest but if Paul Roos can continue to play Nathan Jones with a busted neck all year then I'm pretty sure he will be in his round 1 side regardless of he is 80% fit..

    Look at our round 1 side last year. We had a very healthy list and we still played Kent Vanden Brayshaw who all had interrupted pre season's and had to play couple of games at Casey first. 

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    It's all about the sniff of a game, knowing that you think you're better than the older, more experienced blokes already in the team

    but never quite getting the opportunity to prove it so you try and do it at a pleasant Sunday morning. Not a good result!

    A good coach will just keep giving you the scent.....

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    24 minutes ago, watchtheeyes said:

    Wise and C & B, nothing that Saty said was wrong, controversial, inflammatory, opinionated or anything other than solid contribution. 

    Youve both gone out of your way to create an argument. Sort yourselves out, it's garbage and doesn't add to the conversation.

    Rubbish.  I had an opinion that differed and responded in kind.  I wasn't rude about it.

    Your post, however, added nothing to the conversation either, so go ahead and sort yourself out.

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    23 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

    Ah hairsplitting the great internet sport.

    Be Like Bill.

    Have you seen the one of Uma Thurman doing the rounds on FB. 

    "Uma killed Bill..."

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    If training form gets you a spot in our round 1 side then Terlich, Matt Jones and Jack Grimes will be playing..

    I do not want that.

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    5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Don't want to turn this into a [censored] sling contest but if Paul Roos can continue to play Nathan Jones with a busted neck all year then I'm pretty sure he will be in his round 1 side regardless of he is 80% fit..

    Look at our round 1 side last year. We had a very healthy list and we still played Kent Vanden Brayshaw who all had interrupted pre season's and had to play couple of games at Casey first. 

    Nathan Jones had a bulging deformed disc in his neck that could be managed,  but  we hardly had any midfield replacements who were fit banging the door down at Casey.

    Even though we had a healthy list we now know Roos' opinion of some of the midfield 'talent' we had on our list at the start of last season.

    Now we have what we have all been crying out for for the last couple of seasons, real depth, true some of it is still unproven, but at least it will keep the 'locks' honest

    Oliver being one of those unproven

     

     

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    Nathan Jones would be the first player picked IMV and rightly so!

    Why this thread was sabbotaged beats me.

    I agree with Dazzle Man the thread is about Clayton Oliver and if he turns out to be half as good as chunky I will be reasonably pleased.

    As good or better, I will be rubbing my hands with Glee!

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    2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Nathan Jones would be the first player picked IMV and rightly so!

    Why this thread was sabbotaged beats me.

    I agree with Dazzle Man the thread is about Clayton Oliver and if he turns out to be half as good as chunky I will be reasonably pleased.

    As good or better, I will be rubbing my hands with Glee!

    If he's only half as good as Jones I'll be devastated.

    If he's as good as Jones I'll be disappointed.

    I fully expect Oliver to be a better player than Jones.  We need him to be a better player than Jones.

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