POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[Je Roos Salem 661]

The worst game of footy I've witnessed in a long time. The stoppage game is okay when we are trying to match it with stronger sides but we caused stoppages when we didn't need to!!

We almost let them back in to the game! All we needed to do was kick a couple more goals and bury them but instead we had stoppage after stoppage. Eventually they started to play with a bit more flair and all of a sudden they were within striking distance. The only thing that saved us is that we were more effective at constipating the game.

Daniel Cross is a great judge of the ball in the air, a great pair of hands, courageous and determined. But i don't want him kicking the ball in the back 50!

Dom Tyson is a lazy kick. On numerous occasions his casual up and unders caused turnovers. He needs to address this if he is to reach his potential. Today i wanted to drag him!

Jack Watts was the only one I trusted with the ball in the back 50.

Cross has really upped his kicking rate this year. (162 kicks, 166 handballs compared to 123, 244 last season)

[rpfc 28,383]

The defensive shape of the team was just amazing. The Lions were not allowed to go through the middle and had to adopt these huge switches to Lewis Taylor who is willing but not the most creative with the footy.

Players went back in their shell after HT but, again, so disciplined.

Oh, and this needs to be legislatively addressed, the game needs a push in the right direction. The defensive structures and stoppage explosion is a blight at the minute.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

You can only beat the opposition you're facing. We beat Geelong not that long ago. We're doing ok.

In sport a weaker team can drag you down to their level. It's a fact.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Dont forget Frost.

Didn't Aish get the red vest today?

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Cross has really upped his kicking rate this year. (162 kicks, 166 handballs compared to 123, 244 last season)

I think a lot of that would have to do with him not spending as much time as an inside midfielder

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Ha as soon as i post that they kick 4.2 to zip in 13mins....sheez

Don't worry too much. Richmond started to coast and it showed on the scoreboard. They were obviously looking to their clash with the Weagles.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Didn't Aish get the red vest today?

Aish was subbed on when Hanley came off. I thought he was quite good when he came on.

[Deespicable 2,726]

I have grave concerns over the future of JKH. I'm just not sure he has the tools.

He lack explosive pace, which nowadays is a necessity to make it as a small forward.

I think his only chance now of making it is to go back to defence and become a Jetta clone.

[Deespicable 2,726]

did you actually read what i said? Clearly not. So here it is again for you:

ANB to me is someone i'm just not sold on. Reminds me a lot of Grimes in the way he goes about it. Will need to watch him more before i make any sort of decision on him.

Now to break it down even more for you, I mean in comparison to other youngsters that just look the part already. Never said he wouldn't make it, just said i am not sold on him yet like other youngsters. Which i then followed by saying i will have to watch more of him before making a decision on him, like some other posters do by either calling him a "future star" etc.

So really to say i have him in "my sights" is just absolutely incorrect, because if anything i am allowing him to play more games before i make my mind up about him.

Totally agree that aside from game against Geelong, he is yet to really have much of an impact and compared to other first year players Vanders and Brayshaw, he is a long way back.

But in his defence, is that he has primarily been asked to earn his stripes as a small forward - which ain't an easy gig when you have played midfield most of your life ad don't have explosive speed like Jeffy. But V and B have also had to earn their stripes the same way and look far more accomplished and strong with their body positioning and aerial skills.

Ultimately we won't know how good (or bad) he is until he gets a go in the centre - but that's a hard possy to get game time nowadays with Viney, Vince and Jones first picks and Prestia on his way.

[Coq au vin 755]

I'll take this win anyday. But I'm more worried about the next day when we play with the same mindset but suddenly leak 5-6 goals against a better side. I hope today's win has shown that we've turned the corner. But it must just show that Brisbane really suck.

Last year's game they kicked 6 in a row to end the game

This year they missed several gettable goals. It could so easily have turned pear shaped if not for their inaccuracy. We were very lucky to win despite playing very badly in the second half.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,387]

Jeez some people are never pleased.

Take the win and look forward to next week. This was Brisbane's strongest side they put out all year and I expect them to get a couple of wins this latter part of the year.

Im expecting them to beat North next week.

[Coq au vin 755]

Hogan's run up to kick for goal is bizarre. He's young enough for a change to be taught to him by a good forward coach or a former star full forward.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,387]

I have grave concerns over the future of JKH. I'm just not sure he has the tools.

He doesn't. He hasn't taken a step forward since being drafted.

Having played a whopping 21 games in his career. Yes he made mistakes but he takes the game on which is what we need. Needs better awareness and to work on his disposal.

Considering how many games we've gifted Grimes 91, Jordie 79, M Jones 48, I would like to see him persisted with. Even if he's the sub.

Edited July 19, 2015 by Al's Demons

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

Hogan's run up to kick for goal is bizarre. He's young enough for a change to be taught to him by a good forward coach or a former star full forward.

He's quite accurate though. Apart from the look of the run up I don't think it would change much else.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

What it shows is that when we're not ascendant in the game we can still dig in, lock it down and force a nil-all draw. Admittedly, we showed it against a team with no credible tall forwards, but tall forwards aren't how Brisbane beat us last time are they? They did it with manic running and goalscoring smalls. We prevented them from hurting us with that today, so I'm happy.

I thought last year they beat us with dominant no-name forwards Close anf McStay?

[Coq au vin 755]

I bet Roos is absolutely spewing we aren't sitting 12th on 7 wins, especially as we tire coming into the end of the season.

I reckon the young kids are knackered and if we don't get over the Saints, we'll struggle to get another win locked away this year.

I disagree with this nonsense about young players being tired. The younger you are the more energy you have. As you get older you get more tired.

[Coq au vin 755]

A win is a win....so why don't I feel entirely ecstatic !!

phew...what a durge of a game

Durge? Cross between turd and dirge?

[old dee 23,787]

In sport a weaker team can drag you down to their level. It's a fact.

Yes BM Lions fans must have hated how a good showing the week before and then that yesterday!

[old dee 23,787]

This was a typical Roos coached side.

Lions kicked four goals

Think about that before we start hand wringing.

The boys are learning all the time.

Jr I think a little further examination will show they kicked worse than us.

You give our defence way too much credit.

[old dee 23,787]

This year they missed several gettable goals. It could so easily have turned pear shaped if not for their inaccuracy. We were very lucky to win despite playing very badly in the second half.

Exactly

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

Jr I think a little further examination will show they kicked worse than us.

You give our defence way too much credit.

Upon further examination I can reveal we both kicked 12 points. Edited July 19, 2015 by Ethan Tremblay

[old dee 23,787]

Upon further examination I can reveal we both kicked 12 points.

So we are as bad as them! it does not alter the fact that a little more accuracy by the lions and it may have been a different ball game.

We are far from a good side yet ET. Improved on last year but far from good.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

So we are as bad as them! it does not alter the fact that a little more accuracy by the lions and it may have been a different ball game.

We are far from a good side yet ET. Improved on last year but far from good.

Couldn't agree more.

Lucky we dominated for half a quarter. A decent/good team would have continued that dominance and buried the opposition.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,387]

Loved Harmes after the hit from lions player in the 3rd it was hard he was hurt but straight up and in . They were gathering momentum and he stood up like many did .

ANB looked like he couldn't find top gear and was a step off his usual pace .

What are you saying? He didn't play for the free like Robinson.

[titan_uranus 24,997]

So we are as bad as them! it does not alter the fact that a little more accuracy by the lions and it may have been a different ball game.

We are far from a good side yet ET. Improved on last year but far from good.

IIRC you didn't buy that argument when we lost to Essendon.

You don't get it both ways. If we were lucky to beat Brisbane because of inaccuracy then we were unlucky to lose to Essendon, and we're still 1-1 over the two games.