Roos has picked up some nice recruits. thats where the rebuild ends.

Really? Are you that blind to the game style, the resilience that is building, the confidence in the players that is building? It is there, you just need to look for it.

This wasn't apparent already? I'll say we're cellar dwellers with aspirations, but we don't really know how to crawl out just yet.

We may have the aspirations but we do not have the talent by a long shot.

You didn't know that before the saints game? Realistically winning that may mean the difference between 14 or 15 at the end of the year. Either way I would hardly say we are out of the cellar. We are closer to the door though.

Hmm on this improvement plan we will make the finals around 2020.

I gues that gives a number of early drafty picks over the next few years.

Hmm on this improvement plan we will make the finals around 2020.

I gues that gives a number of early drafty picks over the next few years.

you must have made 100 purely negative posts in the last fortnight.. don't you get tired of yourself?

Hmm on this improvement plan we will make the finals around 2020.

I gues that gives a number of early drafty picks over the next few years.

Seriously OD I have to ask, why do you still support the club? Clearly you seem to have zero faith in where we're heading now. If I didn't have at least a little bit of hope and faith in the club then I would have stopped supporting them ages ago. But you still show up after every loss, and I have no idea why

I dunno... maybe we are all overreacting a bit?

I was as shattered as the next guy but when we turned it on on the weekend (albeit in short bursts) we looked as pretty as i've seen us in years. This week and last. There's a lot to like I reckon. Think about the turn around in players we've had in the past year. It's all about consistency in the game and the season. We can all agree the young talent is there. Brayshaw, Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Toumpas, Mcdonald, Viney, Petrecca. Dare I say even Watts.

It's a core group we can really build around. All of those guys (minus petrecca) have shown signs in the last year or two that they can be great. If they can keep developing at the rate they are now then we have the potential to be a very good team.

Keep faith!

Let's judge us at the end of the season. Not round 11.

you must have made 100 purely negative posts in the last fortnight.. don't you get tired of yourself?

stop hunting everyone down, let people be disappointed and angry at the poor looses, you can carry on being satisfied with honourable losses, after all thats what we do best at mfc.

Seriously OD I have to ask, why do you still support the club? Clearly you seem to have zero faith in where we're heading now. If I didn't have at least a little bit of hope and faith in the club then I would have stopped supporting them ages ago. But you still show up after every loss, and I have no idea why

Proof of the pudding is in the eating and right now the eating is crap.

Whatever way you want to paint it the transformation is very slow.

There is no way to defend yesterdays loss.

If it was against a reasonable side fine but the Saints for god sake.

To answer your original question I have no idea now.

Oh hang on I am too stupid to stop.

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stop hunting everyone down, let people be disappointed and angry at the poor looses, you can carry on being satisfied with honourable losses, after all thats what we do best at mfc.

stop being a drama queen with statements like 'we get absolutely pumped' which is obviously an inflated attempt to make everyone wallow in pain as much as possible, which is a stupid thing to come on here and do

just like OD carping on every facet of the club post after post after post

we get it, you wanted to win the game

stop hunting everyone down, let people be disappointed and angry at the poor looses, you can carry on being satisfied with honourable losses, after all thats what we do best at mfc.

Just as you should allow others to have a different point of view.... ? At least be consistent.

Just as you should allow others to have a different point of view.... ? At least be consistent.

We can agree on this one Wiseblood

stop hunting everyone down, let people be disappointed and angry at the poor looses, you can carry on being satisfied with honourable losses, after all thats what we do best at mfc.

Being disappointed and angry at the loss is not mutually exclusive to being positive about the future and accepting of where we are at. I for one am not happy with the loss, was bloody furious straight after, but I can see the light we are striving for and can see the massive improvement Roos has made.

We were miles behind last place. We have fought up and passed some of the back markers.

stop being a drama queen with statements like 'we get absolutely pumped' which is obviously an inflated attempt to make everyone wallow in pain as much as possible, which is a stupid thing to come on here and do

just like OD carping on every facet of the club post after post after post

we get it, you wanted to win the game

do you always bark like a dog? it is possible to get your point across without thumping your club.

Too many VFL players, my pretty ones.....

Welcome back, RTG

Good to be back jumbo. Good vibes aplenty after yesterday.

Being disappointed and angry at the loss is not mutually exclusive to being positive about the future and accepting of where we are at. I for one am not happy with the loss, was bloody furious straight after, but I can see the light we are striving for and can see the massive improvement Roos has made.

We were miles behind last place. We have fought up and passed some of the back markers.

Gold Coast have been decimated with injuries like no other club. Ablett, O'Meara, Prestia, Swallow, Martin and Bennell were missing and they pushed the top side. Carlton are the only team that we can legitimately say they we are superior to, and they sacked their coach. Hardly a massve improvement.

We have a far better list than we had under Neeld, yet the results are only marginally better.

Gold Coast have been decimated with injuries like no other club. Ablett, O'Meara, Prestia, Swallow, Martin and Bennell were missing and they pushed the top side. Carlton are the only team that we can legitimately say they we are superior to, and they sacked their coach. Hardly a massve improvement.

We have a far better list than we had under Neeld, yet the results are only marginally better.

I'm happy to clutch at straws here but they ran with them in horrible conditions. Freo were awful as well. But I get the drift of what you are saying.

Gold Coast have been decimated with injuries like no other club. Ablett, O'Meara, Prestia, Swallow, Martin and Bennell were missing and they pushed the top side. Carlton are the only team that we can legitimately say they we are superior to, and they sacked their coach. Hardly a massve improvement.

We have a far better list than we had under Neeld, yet the results are only marginally better.

We are also better than Brisbane, and our results are massively improved. Save for a big loss here and there we are in games longer, and have a chance to win many. 2013 we got spanked from pillar to post week in week out.

Our results in terms of wins may not have increased markedly but our competitiveness is massively higher.

People seem to not realise just how bad we were.

Just watched the replay

Best game Watts gas ever played. Now he needs to show he can do it vs a big bodied team down at Geelong

And I laughed at Bomber Thompson saying Hogan looks skinny,

What pains me the most is the inroads we've made in talent, game plan and development count for nothing if there's not a burning desire to win, which was very apparent in yesterday's game

Roos has picked up some nice recruits. thats where the rebuild ends.

It's usually where it starts...

Go right ahead and see it that way old dee. I know you like the negative stuff.

But if you can't see the difference in our side compared to 2012 and 2013 then you're blind.

who won

who won

A nice, shallow response. Cheers.

if you cannot beat the saints you are very ordinary, we may not have been pumped but we sure as hell signalled what we are.

cellar dwellers

lost narrowly to giants - we lost big

beat GC - like us

flogged by pies - we did better

beat dogs - like us

lost to crows - like us

flogged by hawks - like us

you ain't been paying attention old dee. very like us.

I agree

but posted elsewhere that this is a progressive learning point and could be the significant one.

Players now need to buy in to make sure they win these close ones and decrease the poor passages so that we are winning by better margins. They need to improve under pressure and play with greater intensity when required.

I would be gathering them together and saying this is the beginning if you dont want to break yourself to win then leave I would be wanting Howe to sign up now or he is not part of the group going forward he would be expendable and only in the team if all alternatives were injured or when playing a top team and there is a need to rest one of the committed players.

Exactly. There has to be more assertiveness coming from the top. We are far from being a side the opposition fears. And please, no more talking of 'scarring from the past' from our coach.

A nice, shallow response. Cheers.

listen here mr flippant...got news for you. This game is if nothing else defined by wins and losses. NOTHING ELSE . You can grasp at nothing's....like supposed betterments but we actually lost a game we could have won. The week prior we also lost a game we could have won. So what have we really learnt?

Take your shallow and lace it deep perhaps.