We need to kick goals. We need players to kick goals. Our forward line does convert. I think Howe as a half forward or deep 3rd forward (like Gunston) would be the go.

He is wasted down back.

Agreed

Give it a go.

And we will get killed off half back. He's probably our laziest footballer. When he goes forward, he has a knack of being even lazier. He's finished. Trade him.

Edited May 20, 201510 yr by AdamFarr

He started there last week and re-confirmed his laziness within the first 15 minutes and was moved back quite promptly. Has low work rate, lacks defensive intent, his leading patterns aren't great and when he does get chances has poor conversion. But he does take a lovely mark every now and then. Has been poor, round 1 aside and should be at Casey this week.

the latest rat to flee the sinking ship

We need to kick goals. We need players to kick goals. Our forward line does convert. I think Howe as a half forward or deep 3rd forward (like Gunston) would be the go.

He is wasted down back.

Howe is a very poor kick for goal, did you think about that in your equation?

Or did you think about the fact that he has played his best footy in the backline?

No, I'm guessing you were sucked in by the speccies like every other "play Howe forward" banger and figured that meant he was a forward.

Howe is a very poor kick for goal, did you think about that in your equation?

Or did you think about the fact that he has played his best footy in the backline?

No, I'm guessing you were sucked in by the speccies like every other "play Howe forward" banger and figured that meant he was a forward.

So is Travis Cloke...

Id like to see him peeling off his man to be 2nd up over the top in the back line, in form. That said using him as a swing man now and then would be worth while

So is Travis Cloke...

If Howe can't jump at the footy, he is next to useless in one-on-one contests. I don't think you could say the same for Cloke.

I think Howe started to address his goal kicking issues last year, before they moved him back, I think he has good kicking technique and it's a confidence thing. I agree however he appears disinterested, not sure if it's all the talk of leaving, but I would think if a player wants to leave, he would be doing himself no favours by playing lackluster football. My view is he is a limited footballer, who goes well when all around are going well. He is not a game changer.

Edited May 20, 201510 yr by Demon_spurs

So is Travis Cloke...

Travis Cloke has played his best footy in the backline? Must have missed that season...

He's an absolutely atrocious set shot of goal. Couldn't even tell you the last time he kicked truly from a set shot, it's that rare.

I think Howe started to address his goal kicking issues last year, before they moved him back, I think he has good kicking technique and it's a confidence thing. I agree however he appears disinterested, not sure if it's all the talk of leaving, but I would think if a player wants to leave, he would be doing himself no favours by playing lackluster football. My view is he is a limited footballer, who goes well when all around are going well. He is not a game changer.

I would agree with this. His kicking certainly improved for a period there (it may even have been 2013), but ultimately he's a footballer with one trick. The high-flyer. (read very limited footballer) If he's not taking hangers, he's doing bugger all else.

Well he did kick 29 goals in 2013.

By recent MFC standards thats a big year in front of the sticks.

How about playing Harry high? We're not getting a great return from his running off half-back and he would add some defensive pressure up forward. Already kicked more goals than Howe this year . . .

Well he did kick 29 goals in 2013.

By recent MFC standards thats a big year in front of the sticks.

Kicked 28.16 and average 1 tackle per game. 1.

Chuck him in the centre clearances and tell him it is his last chance to show he actually wants to be an AFL footballer.

Nowhere to hide.

Yeah, surely someone with his mobility and that clean below his knees should be looking to become a big bodied mid?

Chuck him in the centre clearances and tell him it is his last chance to show he actually wants to be an AFL footballer.

Nowhere to hide.

Might bring his GWS trade value down. But I actually prefer this idea to the move him forward one.

Edited May 20, 201510 yr by AdamFarr

Agree. Just like Frawley in his final season with us.

Has anyone involved at the club actually commented on wanting Howe to stay? Obviously the public line last year about Frawley was that we would've loved him to stay (highly unlikely once pick 3 came into the equation), but I don't remember Roos saying anything positive about Howe so far this year.

Has anyone involved at the club actually commented on wanting Howe to stay? Obviously the public line last year about Frawley was that we would've loved him to stay (highly unlikely once pick 3 came into the equation), but I don't remember Roos saying anything positive about Howe so far this year.

I think Roos would know he's a very limited player, but best not to say anything, otherwise tarnish the potential of a lucrative trade at year's end. To be honest though, I can't see anyone offering up something in the vicinity of pick 7. Still an incredible proposition.

A club with terrible list management would be tricked into paying top dollar for him. After all, he's a well known player in the league's worst team. He's lauded for his marking, but we know his deficiencies (which, sadly, innumerably outweigh the pros).

Play him up forward, but tell him if he doesn't lay x amount of tackles, he will be donning a Scorps jumper next week.