FAREWELL JEREMY HOWE

[Adam The God 30,539]

He's currently on 98 games.

He will get to 100 by season's end.

The sooner we all accept this, the saner we'll all be.

What's your point?

[ManDee 7,236]

He's currently on 98 games.

He will get to 100 by season's end.

The sooner we all accept this, the saner we'll all be.

What's your point?

If the mother of his children has guts and determination perhaps a father son in years to come.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,450]

He's currently on 98 games.

He will get to 100 by season's end.

The sooner we all accept this, the saner we'll all be.

Well I didn't know that, now it makes sense.

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

What's your point?

Even if his leg fell off, he'd be named on the field next week.

I don't like it, but to quote a former coach: "It is what it is."

[rpfc 28,837]

The roles he plays, or attempts to play, both forward and back could be filled by players in the first team that would earn less than $600k together...

I can understand the desire to keep him, but literally at half or what he is asking, I can't understand it for anymore than that.

That backline needs another Salem, and that forward line needs to work out how to leave Hogan one out. Neither need Jeremy Howe.

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

The roles he plays, or attempts to play, both forward and back could be filled by players in the first team that would earn less than $600k together...

I can understand the desire to keep him, but literally at half or what he is asking, I can't understand it for anymore than that.

That backline needs another Salem, and that forward line needs to work out how to leave Hogan one out. Neither need Jeremy Howe.

I can't. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[ManDee 7,236]

Jeremy Howe contact talks,

Thanks for coming in Jeremy, it's like this, you play like you are not interested so our offer is we have a position at Casey and we are prepared to pay on a performance basis ie. you don't perform and we don't pay. Do you have anything you'd like to add? No, good we will play you until seasons end and say in public that you are a required player and we want you at the club. Then we will trade you to any fool that will have you or onto the rookie list OK. Thanks for coming in Jeremy on your way out could you send in the witches hat err.. Dawsey?

Edited August 24, 2015 by ManDee

[SaberFang 7,151]

Didn't think he was going to reach 100 games before year's end, but round 23 is actually his 100th match.

Suddenly I can understand why he hasn't been dropped all year.

[rpfc 28,837]

I can't. Anyone care to enlighten me?

...at AFL average salary.

Average salary for an average player.

I mean that in the nicest way possible - he is an average player, and paying average players who don't play above average roles, above average salaries is bad list management.

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

...at AFL average salary.

Average salary for an average player.

I mean that in the nicest way possible - he is an average player, and paying average players who don't play above average roles, above average salaries is bad list management.

Is it possible for a player to have a heavily performance-based contract? From what I can see, there's no longer a salary cap floor, so what's to stop a club lodging a contract as: this is the maximum amount we will pay this player, which will fit under the cap? (other than the obvious player unlikely to sign caveat)

[Adam The God 30,539]

Didn't think he was going to reach 100 games before year's end, but round 23 is actually his 100th match.

Suddenly I can understand why he hasn't been dropped all year.

Would someone care to explain the references to Howe's 100th? Who cares? What's the suggestion here?

[Demon Disciple 12,313]

Would someone care to explain the references to Howe's 100th? Who cares? What's the suggestion here?

Any potential F/S chances.

[SaberFang 7,151]

You can only bid on sons of former players if their father played 100 matches for their club.

Gotta think long-term I guess.

[Adam The God 30,539]

Lol. We're kidding right? We think that the FD are playing Howe so that we'll have access to his spawn? I have a headache.

[DeeSpencer 26,091]

Lol. We're kidding right? We think that the FD are playing Howe so that we'll have access to his spawn? I have a headache.

Be silly to drop him now and leave him 1 or 2 short.

I think we are playing him because his best games still contribute heavily to us winning. A couple of times this year it's been forward. Most of the time it's been by taking a lot of intercept marks and providing good rebound from down back. He had a huge impact in several of our games this year.

Unfortunately about every 2nd week he's been completely useless, making terrible decisions and weak efforts.

[Little Richard 6,265]

Lol. We're kidding right? We think that the FD are playing Howe so that we'll have access to his spawn? I have a headache.

His spawn may have two heads, or two sets of hands. It's a gamble really, though an extra set of hands may come in handy clunking a few marks at full forward.

[grazman 7,499]

Lol. We're kidding right? We think that the FD are playing Howe so that we'll have access to his spawn? I have a headache.

Yeah absolutely.... because you know Howey is MFC through and through.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,450]

Do we know where he's going?

[SaberFang 7,151]

Most recent article fro the Hun (about our play for Lynch) says Gold Coast are leading the chase at the moment.

[What 18,810]

Most recent article fro the Hun (about our play for Lynch) says Gold Coast are leading the chase at the moment.

That would be good for us, might be able to get back one of their talented mids in a deal

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,450]

Well we would like something of worth in return.

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

Well we would like something of worth in return.

You've got to give up something of worth to get something of worth.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,450]

You've got to give up something of worth to get something of worth.

Yeah, fair point.

[dpositive 1,767]

Yes agreed. So let's do a break down of a typical list. Salary estimates based on 2015 AFLPA CBA. Google it for details.

Cap $9.9 million

4 rookies: total $220K

4 1st year draftees: total $260K

4 2nd year draftees: total $280K

4 on minimum base payments: total $324K

Total for 16 players: $1.1 million

Match payments listed as $3500 per game min for min salary players. 2nd year draftees can earn up to $5100 per game. For others it is negotiable. Let's assume $5000 average, which is probably under estimating.

Yearly match payments: $2.5 million

Total so far: $3.6 million

Near and fairest bonuses? Let's assume 300K for ease.

So the remaining 24 players have $6 million between them.

The average salary of the remaining player is then $250K.

Let's assume the top 5 get $700K.

Then the average remaining salary is $131K.

Even if we change it to 4 rookies, 8 draftees and 10 minimum salary instead. Inc match payments and b&f: $4.4 million for 22 players leaving $300k for each of the remaining 18.

Or $155K each of the top 5 get $700K each.

So tell me again why Howe should earn $550,000 or more?

Thanks for that DO

I have said in another thread that the problem with our payments is that our team is nowhere near the performance level of other teams and it is crazy that players are getting equivalent payment. On some basis these players should be paying us.

While it is true that players are worth what the market will pay and a player like Howe does bring some different attributes and may be worth more in a team that can utilise his inconsistent brilliance, or can get some greater value than we think he is worth then you trade. We do need to be smarter with our payments and get some performance improvements from it.

Although every survey in the past showed that money is not the major driver of performance.

Security, stability, work independence and flexibility are usually the main factors of job satisfaction. Non monetry reward fame and recognition are also key factors.

There is a chicken and egg argument but money isnt always the main issue.

[jnrmac 20,205]

Thanks for that DO

I have said in another thread that the problem with our payments is that our team is nowhere near the performance level of other teams and it is crazy that players are getting equivalent payment. On some basis these players should be paying us.

While it is true that players are worth what the market will pay and a player like Howe does bring some different attributes and may be worth more in a team that can utilise his inconsistent brilliance, or can get some greater value than we think he is worth then you trade. We do need to be smarter with our payments and get some performance improvements from it.

Although every survey in the past showed that money is not the major driver of performance.

Security, stability, work independence and flexibility are usually the main factors of job satisfaction. Non monetry reward fame and recognition are also key factors.

There is a chicken and egg argument but money isnt always the main issue.

Its simple. You have to pay the money. you don't have a choice.

We are just getting crap value