Statistical Comparison 2013 - 2014

[rpfc 28,249]

Those of you who have been here a while would remember my old KPI threads...

Well, I could do them until the reading was too depressing.

Anyway, I thought I would add a differential comparison thread for prosterity after Roos' first season; on margin, clearances, I50s, Contested Possies, and Uncontested Possies.

In no way does data give you a full picture of what is happening, but it can illuminate and educate.

2013 Differentials

Clearances: -9.7

Inside 50s: -18

UPs: -56.7

CPs: -23.5

Margin: -56.2

2014 Differentials

Clearances: -4.8

Inside 50s: -11.6

UPs: -6.5

CPs: -1.5

Margin: -28.1

Now these numbers are still pathetic, but the levels have risen across the board to these pathetic levels; the club is coming from that far back...

I was interested to know what has improved other than what my eyes are telling me. We also won 10 more quarters (30) than in 2013.

The last few games were not great, but the improvement was palpable and hopefully it continues into 2015.

[McQueen 17,864]

Wins was up 50% too by memory.

Can't locate the data set I derived this from but I'm pretty sure it's accurate.

[nutbean 8,838]

Those of you who have been here a while would remember my old KPI threads...

Well, I could do them until the reading was too depressing.

Anyway, I thought I would add a differential comparison thread for prosterity after Roos' first season; on margin, clearances, I50s, Contested Possies, and Uncontested Possies.

In no way does data give you a full picture of what is happening, but it can illuminate and educate.

2013 Differentials

Clearances: -9.7

Inside 50s: -18

UPs: -56.7

CPs: -23.5

Margin: -56.2

2014 Differentials

Clearances: -4.8

Inside 50s: -11.6

UPs: -6.5

CPs: -1.5

Margin: -28.1

Now these numbers are still pathetic, but the levels have risen across the board to these pathetic levels; the club is coming from that far back...

I was interested to know what has improved other than what my eyes are telling me. We also won 10 more quarters (30) than in 2013.

The last few games were not great, but the improvement was palpable and hopefully it continues into 2015.

I think a few punters got confused last year in differentiating between "have we improved" and "is the football we are playing good enough".

To answer the unnecessary - the improvement was more than obvious but we have a long way to go.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Wins was up 50% too by memory.

Can't locate the data set I derived this from but I'm pretty sure it's accurate.

I'm not much good at maths to be honest ( though I was in the top 90% of the class in maths in year 9 )

I would say there was a 100% increase in the number of wins this year over 2013.

[McQueen 17,864]

I'm not much good at maths to be honest ( though I was in the top 90% of the class in maths in year 9 )

I would say there was a 100% increase in the number of wins this year over 2013.

There you go, my numbers were wrong after all.

[nutbean 8,838]

There you go, my numbers were wrong after all.

you are 100% right 50% of the time.

[DeeSpencer 25,441]

I'm hoping that with another year of development for Viney and Tyson, plus greater depth in the midfield from both younger and older players that we close the gap on clearances and possessions pretty quickly.

That will tell me we truly are competing and are matching sides physically which is something we haven't done for a long time.

I'd be wrapped if some of those key stats, particularly inside 50's and score differential halved again and if our wins doubled again.

We have to show that our midseason run of form that saw us get 4 wins against Adelaide, Ess, Carl and Rich and close losses to Port and the Dogs twice as well as 3 quarters against the Pies is reproducible rather than the first few weeks and the last month or so.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

stole my thread.. but I was just looking at i-50s and scoreboard.. also comparing us to the average.. not our differential (obviously a very closely related stat)

for against diff afl ave
2013 40.0 58.0 18.0 50.6
2014 40.5 52.1 11.6 50.2

2013 MFC: 9.5 goals, 9.1 behinds, score 66 (score against = 122, margin = 56)
2013 AFL: 13.5 goals, 11.8 behinds, score 92

2014 MFC: 8.6 goals, 8.9 behinds, score 61 (score against = 89, margin = 28)
2014 AFL: 12.5 goals, 11.4 behinds, score 86

2013/2014 AFL Average:
50.4 inside-50
13.11.89

MFC 2014:
40.5 inside-50
9.7.61

2013: 18.0 less inside-50s, 56 point loss
2014: 11.6 less inside-50s, 28 point loss
2015: ?

only thing I would add is that the 28 point margin b/n us and the average is basically all to do with our offense - we concede the average amount but score 4 goals less. If Hogan, Dawes and Garlett can manage 100 between them that margin will theoretically be 0.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Curry & Beer

[daisycutter 29,600]

Those of you who have been here a while would remember my old KPI threads...

Well, I could do them until the reading was too depressing.

Anyway, I thought I would add a differential comparison thread for prosterity after Roos' first season; on margin, clearances, I50s, Contested Possies, and Uncontested Possies.

In no way does data give you a full picture of what is happening, but it can illuminate and educate.

2013 Differentials

Clearances: -9.7

Inside 50s: -18

UPs: -56.7

CPs: -23.5

Margin: -56.2

2014 Differentials

Clearances: -4.8

Inside 50s: -11.6

UPs: -6.5

CPs: -1.5

Margin: -28.1

Now these numbers are still pathetic, but the levels have risen across the board to these pathetic levels; the club is coming from that far back...

I was interested to know what has improved other than what my eyes are telling me. We also won 10 more quarters (30) than in 2013.

The last few games were not great, but the improvement was palpable and hopefully it continues into 2015.

for a better picture you should include at least 2012 (neeld only coached 11 games in 2013) and probably bails' last year 2011

[praha 11,229]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

huh? the bottomline for me is that we halved the deficit in Roos' first year and if we improve the same amount again this year we will finish around the middle of the ladder

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

for a better picture you should include at least 2012 (neeld only coached 11 games in 2013) and probably bails' last year 2011

why? those years aren't relevant, it's a totally different side, coaching staff and admin

[daisycutter 29,600]

why? those years aren't relevant, it's a totally different side, coaching staff and admin

that's ridiculous, it's got nothing to do with whether the players are the same or even the staff

the only thing of interest is whether the team is improving regardless of personnel

i only pointed out that 2013 was an unusual year with a caretaker coach for half a year and more data would be better to get a better base-line of patheticicity

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

why? those years aren't relevant, it's a totally different side, coaching staff and admin

lol it's the team's improvement, it doesn't matter who is on the park

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Sorry Sweet,

But in my opinion the team is those that are on the park

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

that's ridiculous, it's got nothing to do with whether the players are the same or even the staff

the only thing of interest is whether the team is improving regardless of personnel

i only pointed out that 2013 was an unusual year with a caretaker coach for half a year and more data would be better to get a better base-line of patheticicity

um yes and the TEAM consists of the players and staff doesn't it? Why don't we just compare it to the Daniher years then if you don't see the relevance of comparing the same players/staff? Better yet, the Norm Smith era

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

lol it's the team's improvement, it doesn't matter who is on the park

the fact you write 'lol' then write an ignorant, non-sensical statement is pretty lol

[daisycutter 29,600]

um yes and the TEAM consists of the players and staff doesn't it? Why don't we just compare it to the Daniher years then if you don't see the relevance of comparing the same players/staff? Better yet, the Norm Smith era

you seem to have completely missed the point c&b

ah well i can't be bothered talking to a brick wall

[daisycutter 29,600]

Sorry Sweet,

But in my opinion the team is those that are on the park

another one with a comprehension problem

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

you seem to have completely missed the point c&b

ah well i can't be bothered talking to a brick wall

oh really? Explain to us what the relevance is then - 38 players played in 2012 and 24 of them are no longer with us. That's nearly two-thirds. The coaching group is what 75%? new since then? Explain to us in your wisdom what the value is in looking at the stats of their 30 goal losses when looking forward to Roos and 2015

if we had a long-tenure coach and a stable list then it would make sense to look at the stats over a longer period but that's not the reality

[daisycutter 29,600]

see what i mean.................sigh

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

yeah I see that you have no substance to backup your useless point and you don't want to backtrack out of pride which is pathetic

[rpfc 28,249]

for a better picture you should include at least 2012 (neeld only coached 11 games in 2013) and probably bails' last year 2011

I was more looking at year to year improvement but here they are:

2012 Differentials

Clearances: -6.2

Inside 50s: -11

CPs: -12.1

UPs: -41

Margin: -34.6

2011 Differentials

Clearances: -2.3

Inside 50s: -6.1

CPs: -5.5

UPs: -10.8

Margin: -15.5

In 2012, we won 23 quarters and in 2011 we won 30 quarters.

[BAMF 4,298]

yeah I see that you have no substance to backup your useless point and you don't want to backtrack out of pride which is pathetic

You're saying that we shouldnt bother including 2011 and 2012 in the analaysis because the turnover has been too significant.

Yet, you (and Rfpc) are comparing 2013 and 2014. Whats the difference? Between 2013-14 there was a massive turnover of both coaches and players. By your argument we shouldnt even be discussing this topic.

[Trisul 664]

Nice work rpfc, I always appreciate your stats threads. Maybe update your sig to margin reduced by 50%? Margin up 50% doesn't seem quite right.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Trisul