Please, please, no more skinny, injured, coulda, shoulda, types.

This guy looks like Hogan v2.

  On 07/11/2014 at 09:42, Moneider96 said:

Collingwood supporter who has good connection to dees says 100% Melbourne will get Mccartin under the assumption that Saints will take Petracca...so don't worry Mccartin fans!

My inside mail says the same thing. If St. Kilda take Petracca, we'll take McCartin.

Personally I think this is a good choice.

I understand we need more midfielders, but of the other potential Pick 3s, none of them are true mids.

Laverde = Half back/forward flanker

Lever = KPD

Weller, Ahern, Duggan = all rated a level below McCartin in overall quality.

If there was another stand out midfield option, I could understand taking them over P-Mac. But there's not - in which case we should go the best available, and that means watching the McCartin and Hogan tag-team rag doll defenders for the next 10 years.

Ah Milli Vanilli man, some brevity and coomon sense.. At LAST!

  On 07/11/2014 at 02:03, picket fence said:

^{But a pretty significant one at that , remember Toumpas came with injury baggage.}

And having type 1 Diabetes isn't "baggage"?

  On 07/11/2014 at 10:07, Vanilla Gorilla said:

My inside mail says the same thing. If St. Kilda take Petracca, we'll take McCartin.

Personally I think this is a good choice.

I understand we need more midfielders, but of the other potential Pick 3s, none of them are true mids.

Laverde = Half back/forward flanker

Lever = KPD

Weller, Ahern, Duggan = all rated a level below McCartin in overall quality.

If there was another stand out midfield option, I could understand taking them over P-Mac. But there's not - in which case we should go the best available, and that means watching the McCartin and Hogan tag-team rag doll defenders for the next 10 years.

No brainer. Bradshaw - pick 2 ; McCartin pick 3. Or vice versa.

That said, Laverde looks set to be a great pick up.

  On 07/11/2014 at 13:47, bing181 said:

And having type 1 Diabetes isn't "baggage"?

He's been managing it all his life. Shouldn't be a big deal.

  On 07/11/2014 at 10:02, jumbo returns said:

Please, please, no more skinny, injured, coulda, shoulda, types.

This guy looks like Hogan v2.

Don't you do that to me.

  On 07/11/2014 at 13:47, bing181 said:

And having type 1 Diabetes isn't "baggage"?

Dale Weightman

Date of birth 3 October 1959 (age 55)

Original team - Mildura Imperials

Debut - 1 April 1978, Richmond v. Carlton, at MCG

Height 170 cm (5 ft 7 in)

Weight 69 kg (10 st 12 lb)

Playing career: 1978-1993 Richmond 274 games 344 goals.

Career highlights:

Richmond Premiership player 1980

Richmond Captain 1988-92

Richmond Best and Fairest 1986, 1987

Victorian Representative 20 times

Victorian Captain 1987, 1988, 1990

All Australian 1985, 1986, 1988

EJ Whitten Medal 1986, 1990

Simpson Medal 1985

Tassie Medal 1985

Richmond Team of the Century

Richmond Hall of Fame inducted 2002

Australian Football Hall of Fame Member

It might be baggage but some players can carry it pretty well.

You would hope we do due diligence on this if we are considering McCartin. I am sure we would have.

McCartin will not do more than Boyd or Patton did their first year, he's not even as highly rated as they were. Anyone here who thinks he will help our structure heaps next year are idiots. Meanwhile, Hogan will, because he has had 2 preseasons, a full season in the VFL, is bigger, stronger, taller, has a MUCH bigger tank for gut running & doesn't have diabetes to 'manage'. Oh, & even though he's not a 'pretty' kick, I'd still back him to slot em over McCartin.

I'd be surprised if McCartin does more in his first year or 2 than Pedo did this year for us actually.

Really, of this years draft, the only certainties to at least impact & play a few games next year are Petracca, Brayshaw & Heeney. Also, keep in my that in an uncompromisd draft, Moore was rated almost as highly as a prospect as McCartin & Wright. So really, is McCartin that much of a 'lock' as a future KPF star? Just because most 'experts' rate him top 3, it's in a weak draft & compromised at the top end imo.

  On 08/11/2014 at 01:19, Redleg said:

Dale Weightman

Date of birth 3 October 1959 (age 55)

Original team - Mildura Imperials

Debut - 1 April 1978, Richmond v. Carlton, at MCG

Height 170 cm (5 ft 7 in)

Weight 69 kg (10 st 12 lb)

Playing career: 1978-1993 Richmond 274 games 344 goals.

Career highlights:

Richmond Premiership player 1980

Richmond Captain 1988-92

Richmond Best and Fairest 1986, 1987

Victorian Representative 20 times

Victorian Captain 1987, 1988, 1990

All Australian 1985, 1986, 1988

EJ Whitten Medal 1986, 1990

Simpson Medal 1985

Tassie Medal 1985

Richmond Team of the Century

Richmond Hall of Fame inducted 2002

Australian Football Hall of Fame Member

It might be baggage but some players can carry it pretty well.

You would hope we do due diligence on this if we are considering McCartin. I am sure we would have.

Can you find us an example closer to McCartin's size & weight? Cause I don't remember Dale ever looking like he had as high skin folds as McCartin. Paddy's also said he's had blackouts before not managing it correctly.....

  On 08/11/2014 at 07:05, thevil1 said:

Can you find us an example closer to McCartin's size & weight? Cause I don't remember Dale ever looking like he had as high skin folds as McCartin. Paddy's also said he's had blackouts before not managing it correctly.....

Nathan Bassett was not quite as big as McCartin (190 and 88) but was diagnosed as type 1 in 1997. He managed over 200 games and made All-Australian.

  On 08/11/2014 at 07:05, thevil1 said:

Can you find us an example closer to McCartin's size & weight? Cause I don't remember Dale ever looking like he had as high skin folds as McCartin. Paddy's also said he's had blackouts before not managing it correctly.....

Its diabetes... He's not a lepper.

I've played footy, cricket, raced motorcycles and raced in marathon mountain bike events with type 1 and its only skill that stopped me doing anything professionally NOT diabetes.

Being a professional athlete is the perfect environment for micro managing T1D. Great fitness, nutrition and medical staff watching your every move.

His diabetes is less of a impediment to his personal future playing success at AFL level compared to drafting a kid with a previous hip, knee or shoulder injury.

  On 06/11/2014 at 10:50, picket fence said:

Agree and as I have said before The midfield issues are being addressed ! We also have a better Half Back and Half Forward line to play.

Can I ask this when did we last have a KPF with a bit of Mongrel?? Think probably Nieta and Schwarta! That's it

So we have a chance to grab a kid who has got Mongrel in spades, Takes contested Grabs, Kicks well for goal and is agile!!

PLUS HE MODELS HIS GAME ON TOM HAWKINS AND JON BROWN !!

SHEEIT I'D TAKE HIM JUST FOR HIS AMBITION ALONE!! WHO ELSE IS SO BOLD!?

Forget Lever and Leverde for reasons provided above! we already have enough of these already !

BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS ENOUGH TRUE KPF

If we overlook this kid and someone else takes him and he makes an immediate impact Then several things will happen

I will hark back to the shizen recruiting that saw Ollie Wines become an overnight sensation

I will seriously question our recruiting staff and

I will struggle to continue to support an administration that has got it wrong YET AGAIN!!

Demonland will also go into a complete meltdown!

Meltdown come on down! Played golf today with my mate and he has CATEGORICALLY said we will be taking LEVER (i did it in capitals for you who can't read so well!). So there you go!

What a website this Demonland is. I know it can detereorate when people like me start putting in their 2 bobs worth,

but to come on today and see the information offered by Redleg and Warren Dean (I loved that guy) I can't help myself.

I really appreciate it. I would never expect such incisive and clear information from my newspapers. I'll keep checking every now and then till the 27th Nov.

And your contribution too Deemotivated. It really is amazing to find this sort of contribution (and information re diabetes for instance). Ok , i'll admit it, I'm nearing 70yrs.

So I don't read it every day but the expert opinion here is a welcome blessing for an average supporter. I'll say no more.

  On 08/11/2014 at 08:28, Late Draft Pick said:

What a website this Demonland is. I know it can detereorate when people like me start putting in their 2 bobs worth,

but to come on today and see the information offered by Redleg and Warren Dean (I loved that guy) I can't help myself.

I really appreciate it. I would never expect such incisive and clear information from my newspapers. I'll keep checking every now and then till the 27th Nov.

Thanks LDP glad to know the info is of use.

  On 07/11/2014 at 21:07, Moneider96 said:

He's been managing it all his life. Shouldn't be a big deal.

I agree.

And nor should Toumpas's anticipative hip surgery.

  On 08/11/2014 at 18:21, bing181 said:

I agree.

And nor should Toumpas's anticipative hip surgery.

So you think the risk of diabetes is as uncertain as that? Pretty sure the former is a lot easier to manage to predict....

  On 08/11/2014 at 08:25, Demoneyes said:

Meltdown come on down! Played golf today with my mate and he has CATEGORICALLY said we will be taking LEVER (i did it in capitals for you who can't read so well!). So there you go!

My mail says the same.

Golf is a good example of making use of Levers - definitely another sign

I wonder if the Dees still hold hope of McCartin going at 1 and Petracca dropping to us. I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

And if that were to happen, would the Dees go Petracca & Lever? I definitely would

  On 08/11/2014 at 21:00, Roosy said:

And if that were to happen, would the Dees go Petracca & Lever? I definitely would

Glad your not on our recruiting team then.. Why on earth would we draft lever instead of Brayshaw if Petracca fell to us at pick two?

Well I would be prettty confident if Mccartin is there at 4 he goes to GWS. Boyd gone, Patton out for 2015 and Cameron may be carrying a bad ankle. They could even go the double and take Wright as well.

I still think the saints will take mccartin pick 1, quality key forwards are hard to find and if they don't take him I'm fairly sure we will.

  On 08/11/2014 at 21:17, juzzk1d said:

Glad your not on our recruiting team then.. Why on earth would we draft lever instead of Brayshaw if Petracca fell to us at pick two?

If I was on the Recruiting team we would have had a shot at a premiership by now jizzed1d. I have a very good track record of picking players throughout the years.

I'm entirely within my rights to say that I like other players more than than Brayshaw in the draft and time will tell whether I'm correct about it. Being a good recruiter means you have the capacity to look beyond the general consensus, casting an eye into the future to see what these kids will be like. Brock McLean was a good mature bodied ball getter as a 18 year old and look how how he turned out. I see Brayshaw as a similar type to Mclean, without the same aggression and these type of players can be secured low in the draft every year without fail. My choice is to look for superstar potential at pick 2 & 3 and not simply looking for a safe bet.

Safe bets won't win you premierships Jizzed1d.

It is interesting that posters are saying they have contacts who are telling them MCartin and Lever for 3.

One or both of these groups will be wrong. Is it possible the club is sending out some contradictory signals? If so I wouldn't know why.

  On 08/11/2014 at 22:00, Roosy said:

If I was on the Recruiting team we would have had a shot at a premiership by now jizzed1d. I have a very good track record of picking players throughout the years.

I'm entirely within my rights to say that I like other players more than than Brayshaw in the draft and time will tell whether I'm correct about it. Being a good recruiter means you have the capacity to look beyond the general consensus, casting an eye into the future to see what these kids will be like. Brock McLean was a good mature bodied ball getter as a 18 year old and look how how he turned out. I see Brayshaw as a similar type to Mclean, without the same aggression and these type of players can be secured low in the draft every year without fail. My choice is to look for superstar potential at pick 2 & 3 and not simply looking for a safe bet.

Safe bets won't win you premierships Jizzed1d.

Who did you have picked for us back in 2003 if not McLean and Sylvia?