I'll be really disappointed if we don't use 40 and 53.

It's easy to get a fresh injection of hope around this time of year with trades and early draft picks, but the fact is the list is very ordinary and the midfield is still a massive hole. A 31 year old Western Bulldogs discard led our B&F after 8 rounds and probably would have won it but for a broken leg.

We look like adding a talented kid into the middle in Brayshaw but he can't be expected to do much in there next year. The other early pick looks like it will be a key forward, Lamumba and Garlett will only provide brief cameos around the contests, and Billy Stretch could get a ride this week at Flemington so I doubt we'll see him in 2015.

We must give McCartney and Roos two more talented, young genuine midfielders with 40 and 53. Taylor is a highly regarded recruiter brought across on what I imagine would be pretty decent money - he should be able to find a couple of decent prospects with these picks.

IMO Tapscott has to go, and given that McKenzie seems to be an extremely popular clubman and really hardworker, it's Evans who has to be paid out for mine.

Who will have to be delisted? If it's Jetta I don't think he is on the senior list. If he is, someone then needs to be delisted and maybe another, for us to use our 4 picks. That is without a DFA or PSD 2.

I wasn't clear before.

If Trengove is to be moved off the Primary List for us to use ND53 or PSD2, he is going to have to be delisted and placed on the Rookie List through the Rookie Draft.

I am assuming Tapscott is delisted to allow ND40.

I wasn't clear before.

If Trengove is to be moved off the Primary List for us to use ND53 or PSD2, he is going to have to be delisted and placed on the Rookie List through the Rookie Draft.

I am assuming Tapscott is delisted to allow ND40.

Agree.

while i want tappy to stay i think they will do a neville jetta with him, Delist him and take him as rookie if available

Hope something happens with our list in the next 24 hours or I will be dissapointed

Hope something happens with our list in the next 24 hours or I will be dissapointed

So will I.

I refuse to believe that there are not better prospects out there, than our bottom of the list players.

I think Tapscott has had his chances, JT we have spoken about and even Evans can be delisted and rookied.

There is another list lodgement before the ND after the October 31 Lodgement on the 13 November.

Players can still be delisted at that point.

That would be Josh Mahoney on the left of screen

Interesting piece in the Herald Sun about Hawthorn forward Sam Grimley:-

Grimley

"HAWTHORN forward Sam Grimley — who shared the VFL goalkicking award with Connors — could still be cut despite having a year left on his contract."

Tick, Tock ..... time is running out

Tick, Tock ..... time is running out

Tapscott is gone. We now have 3 live picks in the draft being 2, 3 and 40.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-31/tapscott-delisted-by-demons

I would still be expecting to have at least 1 if not 2 more changes to occur

Collingwood's Tony Armstrong and Gold Coast's Greg Broughton both delisted but their respective clubs have committed to picking them up in the Rookie Draft.

Then there's Cameron Delaney, delisted by North Melbourne:

North Melbourne delists key defender Cam Delaney

North Melbourne will be forced to pick up key defender Cameron Delaney as a rookie or else pay him out for another year after he was one of eight Kangaroos delisted on Friday.

Delaney, 22, is contracted for 2015. He has been restricted to just six games in four years since joining the Roos, with just one in 2013 and none in 2014 as a result of an ongoing issue with his left big toe. Delaney underwent his second operation to repair the toe.

Fairfax Media understands that Delaney - now a free agent - would be likely to accept deal from another club, but that the significant medical risk attached to him could act as a deterrent.

So let me get this straight. The process is that we can delist a contracted player but pick them up in the rookie draft on the same wage? Meanwhile, other clubs could pick them up ahead of us in that draft or delisted free agency? If this is the case, surely Mckenzie and Evans go to the rookie list ahead of Trengove if there's even a small risk of another club's interference. We know Evans and Mckenzie are done, but even if he's got a long road ahead of him, Trengove still offers something.

So let me get this straight. The process is that we can delist a contracted player but pick them up in the rookie draft on the same wage? Meanwhile, other clubs could pick them up ahead of us in that draft or delisted free agency? If this is the case, surely Mckenzie and Evans go to the rookie list ahead of Trengove if there's even a small risk of another club's interference. We know Evans and Mckenzie are done, but even if he's got a long road ahead of him, Trengove still offers something.

Evans and McKenzie offer way more than Trengove IMO

They both have two good feet, that is a hell of a start.

I'll be really disappointed if we don't use 40 and 53.

It's easy to get a fresh injection of hope around this time of year with trades and early draft picks, but the fact is the list is very ordinary and the midfield is still a massive hole. A 31 year old Western Bulldogs discard led our B&F after 8 rounds and probably would have won it but for a broken leg.

We look like adding a talented kid into the middle in Brayshaw but he can't be expected to do much in there next year. The other early pick looks like it will be a key forward, Lamumba and Garlett will only provide brief cameos around the contests, and Billy Stretch could get a ride this week at Flemington so I doubt we'll see him in 2015.

We must give McCartney and Roos two more talented, young genuine midfielders with 40 and 53. Taylor is a highly regarded recruiter brought across on what I imagine would be pretty decent money - he should be able to find a couple of decent prospects with these picks.

IMO Tapscott has to go, and given that McKenzie seems to be an extremely popular clubman and really hardworker, it's Evans who has to be paid out for mine.

So because McKENZIE is a good bloke crap footballer we keep him. It's because we have so many NQR players on our list like him, Matt Jones, Terlich, Riley, etc we will never get better.

Evans and McKenzie offer way more than Trengove IMO

They both have two good feet, that is a hell of a start.

Mckenzie might have 2 good feet but he can't kick with either of them.

So because McKENZIE is a good bloke crap footballer we keep him. It's because we have so many NQR players on our list like him, Matt Jones, Terlich, Riley, etc we will never get better.

I wouldn't put Riley in there. I liked what I saw with him later in the season especially after coming off a broken leg

So let me get this straight. The process is that we can delist a contracted player but pick them up in the rookie draft on the same wage? Meanwhile, other clubs could pick them up ahead of us in that draft or delisted free agency? If this is the case, surely Mckenzie and Evans go to the rookie list ahead of Trengove if there's even a small risk of another club's interference. We know Evans and Mckenzie are done, but even if he's got a long road ahead of him, Trengove still offers something.

No one will take JT with his injury and hefty contract.

I wasn't clear before.

If Trengove is to be moved off the Primary List for us to use ND53 or PSD2, he is going to have to be delisted and placed on the Rookie List through the Rookie Draft.

I am assuming Tapscott is delisted to allow ND40.

I thought you'd be arguing for his delisting because after trying to trade him to Richmond isn't he "finished" with us?

Why keep him on the list?

When will the rest of the dead wood be cleared out?

When will the rest of the dead wood be cleared out?

re "dead wood"... Jetta says HI!

I thought you'd be arguing for his delisting because after trying to trade him to Richmond isn't he "finished" with us?

Why keep him on the list?

It's my cardboard stalker...

You are not quoting me are you, as you admitted you are quoting a paraphrased post from Deestroy All.

But if you don't think that the relationship between club and player has changed, just look at the recent article on the afl website about Trengove realising more than ever before it is a business.

Has the relationship changed irrevocably? No.

But we were trying to offload him a ND he wanted to go and that is quite the rubicon.

It's my cardboard stalker...

You are not quoting me are you, as you admitted you are quoting a paraphrased post from Deestroy All.

But if you don't think that the relationship between club and player has changed, just look at the recent article on the afl website about Trengove realising more than ever before it is a business.

Has the relationship changed irrevocably? No.

But we were trying to offload him a ND he wanted to go and that is quite the rubicon.

So would you delist him?

So would you delist him?

He might be of more use on the PL as I just explained in another thread as an injured player that will allow any RL player to play from Rd1.

If Newton arrives we would need to delist a contracted player to use ND40. I would delist Evans or McKenzie and then pass on ND53 and use RD2 on a player targeted with ND53 (there will only be about 15 live selections difference between those two). I would draft Evans or McKenzie with RD20 and tell Tapscott that footy can be tough sometimes.

There are a few ways to go and each avenue has its pitfalls and pluses.