GOODBYE MR. CHIP FRAWLEY

[rpfc 28,758]

I can't help but think that if he were to leave, we will be compensated with an end of first round pick. If this happens, it's a significant loss for us.

The only thing you can look at in regards to compensation is any precedence set in the past, and even then it's still a whole world of grey.

Dal Santo is on around $450k for 3 years. St Kilda received a 2nd round pick

Dale Thomas around $625k for 4 years. Collingwood received a first rounder.

Buddy $10m/9years - 1st rounder

Sylvia approx. $350k a year for 3 years - we received a 2nd round pick (which we all thought was way overs)

Goddard 4 years @ over $3m - first round

Port got a second round pick for Danyle Pearce, but I'm unsure of the dollar value and length of contract.

In theory, anything above $550k a year for 4 years should get see us get a first rounder for Frawley, but I wouldn't be taking that to the bank. Would "finals" teams, remembering that if he is to leave it's to go to a club playing in September, be willing to pay these sort of dollars?

The biggest issue will be our finishing position. If we stay 16th, we get pick 3. Will the AFL want us getting a pick straight after that? As RPFC bolded above, the committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes when the formula produces a materially anomalous result. The question they, and some on here should ask, is Frawley worth Pick 4?

You need to stick to talking about the 'bands' that each of these are in.

Dal Santo got Band 3

Thomas got Band 1

Franklin got Band 1

Sylvia got Band 3

Goddard got Band 1

Pearce got Band 3

Chaplin got Band 3

That makes a lot more sense about what people are worth - the fact that Bands 1, 3, and 5 are tied to a clubs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is an equalisation measure and makes things a great deal fairer to lower clubs losing players.

[beelzebub 23,382]

Frawley has to be band 1...which then goes to round 1 . But is that after pick or end of round ?

The bias will be political....I bet on it

[rpfc 28,758]

Frawley has to be band 1...which then goes to round 1 . But is that after pick or end of round ?

The bias will be political....I bet on it

Band 2 is the pick after the first round.

Band 1

Goddard 27 - $3m/4

Thomas 26 - $2.8m/4

Band 3

Sylvia 27 - $1.05m/3

Dal Santo 29 - $1.35m/3

Frawley would bring:

Band 3: Pick 24 - (Frawley 26 - $1m/4)

Band 2: Pick 20 - (Frawley 26 - $1.8m/4)

Band 1: Pick 4 - (Frawley 26 - $2.6m/4)

I am not sure when one Band jumps to the next Band but my money is on Band 1 and Pick 4, and I was right about Sylvia...

[beelzebub 23,382]

Band 2 is the pick after the first round.

Band 1

Goddard 27 - $3m/4

Thomas 26 - $2.8m/4

Band 3

Sylvia 27 - $1.05m/3

Dal Santo 29 - $1.35m/3

Frawley would bring:

Band 3: Pick 24 - (Frawley 26 - $1m/4)

Band 2: Pick 20 - (Frawley 26 - $1.8m/4)

Band 1: Pick 4 - (Frawley 26 - $2.6m/4)

I am not sure when one Band jumps to the next Band but my money is on Band 1 and Pick 4, and I was right about Sylvia...

dont doubt you. I figure Frawley will go for 2.6m/4 or more

[Deez 298]

if we got band one for sylvia, its really a no brainer for chip. a way more valuable player, and has been a much bigger figure at this club than sylvia ever was.

[beelzebub 23,382]

if we got band one for sylvia, its really a no brainer for chip. a way more valuable player, and has been a much bigger figure at this club than sylvia ever was.

we didnt get band 1 for Sylvia

[Adam The God 30,404]

Still reckon he will stay

I get the feeling he values playing with his mates a lot more than chasing a flag at a rival club

If he wants success he will want it with the MFC, nowhere else

Haven't you been saying he is almost certainly gone, HH?

B59 - who will pay that for Frawley?

Most teams, Billy, IMO.

Edited July 9, 2014 by AdamFarr

[chook fowler 19,525]

Most other free agents at other clubs have already signed. Chip is long gone.

[Deez 298]

we didnt get band 1 for Sylvia

my bad, pick 23.

I remembered it being very generous.

Even so, sylvia only ever really played a small handful of good games, pick 23 was a steal.

should get a band 1 for chip and sylvia gave a band 2.

unless we got lucky with sylvia.

[daisycutter 29,724]

my bad, pick 23.

I remembered it being very generous.

Even so, sylvia only ever really played a small handful of good games, pick 23 was a steal.

should get a band 1 for chip and sylvia gave a band 2.

unless we got lucky with sylvia.

wrong again, sylvia was a band 3

where we finished on ladder meant not much diff between band 2 and 3

[rpfc 28,758]

if we got band one for sylvia, its really a no brainer for chip. a way more valuable player, and has been a much bigger figure at this club than sylvia ever was.

my bad, pick 23.

I remembered it being very generous.

Even so, sylvia only ever really played a small handful of good games, pick 23 was a steal.

should get a band 1 for chip and sylvia gave a band 2.

unless we got lucky with sylvia.

lol

Really?

[Deez 298]

wrong again, sylvia was a band 3

where we finished on ladder meant not much diff between band 2 and 3

Sorry bruv, it was a second rounder at 23, which as you highlighted, doesn't really seem to differ in picks to a band 2, as it was after our second round pick, i wonder then would a band 2 have given us a pick after our first round?

lol

Really?

of course. at least suggest why you don't think so. How can anyone know what your point of view is?

Frawley has been an integral part of our team for a long time, had roos not switched things around and implemented everything he has, frawley would still be a major contributor commanding the back line.

So based on importance to current club, we should get substantial compensation for him.

I recall 'the value of the player at current club' being factored in to the compensation?

I could be wrong, but I think thats considered.

Has anyone got access to or knows where to find the compensations systems procedures?

[jackaub 1,402]

Who cares Ho Hum if he stays or goes we have to deal with it dont we?

[beelzebub 23,382]

Has anyone got access to or knows where to find the compensations systems procedures?

Afaik they arent in the public domain....theyre very shhh secret squirel !!!

[picket fence 17,495]

Time to call Frawley in and demand an answer! Does he or does he not want to play with us next year. Give him a week, pitch our offer to him and hammer him for a decision.

No more of this I'm still making up my mind bulltish. The fact he must surely know what other offers are out there. SO WEIGH IT UP SON AND LET THE FOOTY WORLD KNOW!

Either he is in or out! Time for us to show some gonads in our negotiations! He knows, why aint he saying???

Well ?

[Undeeterred 3,124]

When you have no negotiating power, you don't go all crazy and demand resolution. That's the surest way to get a big F-off.

[The Chazz 4,077]

You need to stick to talking about the 'bands' that each of these are in.

Dal Santo got Band 3

Thomas got Band 1

Franklin got Band 1

Sylvia got Band 3

Goddard got Band 1

Pearce got Band 3

Chaplin got Band 3

That makes a lot more sense about what people are worth - the fact that Bands 1, 3, and 5 are tied to a clubs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is an equalisation measure and makes things a great deal fairer to lower clubs losing players.

Ah, ok. So clearly I think we will get a "Band" 2.

Happy now? Same shite different smell in my opinion.

Now, if you don't mind, can you please go and annoy someone else? Thanks in advance.

[beelzebub 23,382]

I dont think it really matters that much. The end of season isnt too far away. The club will know when it needs to .

We're frustrated , but does it matter. Im sure Chip pretty well has his mind made up one way or the other.

what is...is. What will be ...will be

the club will survive either wayt

[picket fence 17,495]

Our negotiating power is" The best interests of the club". We are well into planning for 2015. Every club is!

No man is an island and no man is greater than the strength of a team operation.

That is our negotiating power. Now James we will pitch our best offer to you, You surely know what else you have been offered elsewhere. We, like all clubs are heavily into planning for 2015. Is what we are offering beside money enough for you to stay?

Are you in or out?

Edited July 9, 2014 by picket fence

[Deespicable 2,886]

Maybe his band could be the Chipmunks!

Based on what manager's and clubs are saying he'll be on around $700K a year - so I think that makes him band 1 and we get a good bargaining Chip for Roosy with a likely pick 5.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

You clearly don't understand negotiations.

His negotiating power is that he can do whatever he likes and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it, so we best keep him happy. 'The best interests of the club' is not negotiating leverage, it is merely a begging, whiny request for him to please be nice to us.

Chip has all the cards and the club sensibly recognises this. Issuing ultimatums in this scenario is plainly the silly thing to do.

[beelzebub 23,382]

iM sure if nothing is known shortly Paul will have a lil mano a mano

im happy to leave it up to them, as if I could do or impose my ideas as such.lol

it really doenst matter

[picket fence 17,495]

You clearly don't understand negotiations.

His negotiating power is that he can do whatever he likes and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it, so we best keep him happy. 'The best interests of the club' is not negotiating leverage, it is merely a begging, whiny request for him to please be nice to us.

Chip has all the cards and the club sensibly recognises this. Issuing ultimatums in this scenario is plainly the silly thing to do.

Da ya reckon?? Whinny request be buggered. do you think he knows what he is doing in 2015?

If he does and goes why doesn't he say????

If he stays why doesn't he say!?

I'll tell you why because the moment he says I'm going puts the club in an interesting position selection wise!

So here's the negotiations pitch. Tell him if he stays we can do some ah creative things with his contract!

If he gives us a decision in the negative we still will play him as per normal for the rest of the year.

Win for us because we know and Roosy can start planning for next year and he still gives value on the field

Win for him because he still gets a game pending form!

Win/Win

There... and you thought all sport was full of cut throats with only selfish intentions at play!!

Edited July 9, 2014 by picket fence

[Sir Why You Little 37,121]

I reckon the club already know. But AFL rules are the rules.

[picket fence 17,495]

I reckon the club already know. But AFL rules are the rules.

Yeah I reckon so as well!