Chip Frawley

[Hannibal 5,814]

The key disadvantages of Frawley being an UFA rather than a RFA are 1) that the AFL may scrap the compensation for UFAs over the next year and 2) that he could go to a club chasing a flag on a below market salary which then reduces our compensation.

Yes, that seems to be the real issue.

[rpfc 28,440]

There are a host of restricted agents who have left and gone to the club of their choice. Goddard, Troy Chaplin, Dale Thomas, Monfries and Crameri are just a recent few off the top of my head.

Restricted, or unrestricted makes no difference in my view. Clubs no longer hog tie a player who wants to go if they're restricted, or unrestricted. They may well try and change their mind, or play hardball, as Essendon did with Crameri and the Dogs, but in the end they didn't stop him.

I'm happy to disagree.

I don't disagree.

I was just arguing whatever leverage we had from him being a RFA is now gone.

[mjt 640]

The key disadvantages of Frawley being an UFA rather than a RFA are 1) that the AFL may scrap the compensation for UFAs over the next year and 2) that he could go to a club chasing a flag on a below market salary which then reduces our compensation.

You would have to be an idiot to take a pay cut at the age of 26 the next contract he signs is the one that sets him up for life RF or URF makes no difference to the MFC.

[daisycutter 29,616]

There are a host of restricted agents who have left and gone to the club of their choice. Goddard, Troy Chaplin, Dale Thomas, Monfries and Crameri are just a recent few off the top of my head.

Restricted, or unrestricted makes no difference in my view. Clubs no longer hog tie a player who wants to go if they're restricted, or unrestricted. They may well try and change their mind, or play hardball, as Essendon did with Crameri and the Dogs, but in the end they didn't stop him.

I'm happy to disagree.

you're probably right in practice

maybe the afl need to ether scrap the differentiation or change the rules for ufa?

the thing i struggle with is the receiving club don't have to give up anything - draft picks or trade players (directly)

Edited March 12, 2014 by daisycutter

[TGR 1,367]

Didn't surprise me that Frawley is not even in our top 10 as far as 2013 or 2014 payments go. The guy is a turnover merchant and is basically a one-position player. I know he had a front-ended contract, but he wouldn't be in my top 10 at the club.

Roos probably rates him at this stage, as he nearly had a coronary when he thought Frawley did a knee on the weekend.

I reckon he will go. Another club will be able to pay him over the odds and guarantee finals in 2015. Depending on the Watts experiment in the midfield in 2014, a Frawley exit might mean that Watts and McDonald become the 2 pillars of an MFC defence IMO. Watts doesn't turn the ball over.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

They would be laughing themselves to sleep.

We paid big money for a guy who cannot get on the park and at best will not until well into the 2014 season if at all.[/quoteMaybe, but who was to know how it would pan out. When Clark signed he was fully fit. Back then we were the winners, trumping Freo at the 11th hour. Wind back the clock and Mitch could be a premiership player at Freo.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Al's Demons

[old dee 23,792]

you're probably right in practice

maybe the afl need to ether scrap the differentiation or change the rules for ufa?

the thing i struggle with is the receiving club don't have to give up anything - draft picks or trade players (directly)

dc lets not forget that free agency is a players union requirement.

It is all about the free movement of players.

If it was not for the AFL putting up some sort of fight we would have total free agency.

The only people that gain from free agency are the rich and powerful clubs and the players

[old dee 23,792]

They would be laughing themselves to sleep.

We paid big money for a guy who cannot get on the park and at best will not until well into the 2014 season if at all.[/quoteMaybe, but who was to know how it would pan out. When Clark signed he was fully fit. Back then we were the winners.

I was just commenting AD on the fact that some one said the Lions would be sad at losing Clark.

Of course it was the right move for the MFC at the time.

The problem is it has turned into a disaster.

And who is happy now.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,782]

dc lets not forget that free agency is a players union requirement.

It is all about the free movement of players.

If it was not for the AFL putting up some sort of fight we would have total free agency.

The only people that gain from free agency are the rich and powerful clubs and the players

And the players' managers.

[old dee 23,792]

And the players' managers.

Sorry I forgot that little lot

[Fat Tony 5,231]

dc lets not forget that free agency is a players union requirement.

It is all about the free movement of players.

If it was not for the AFL putting up some sort of fight we would have total free agency.

The only people that gain from free agency are the rich and powerful clubs and the players

The thing is that all the players won't benefit though. Only the top players will. Eventually the competition will become so inequitable that poor clubs will fold.

The AFLPA, like all unions, will cut off their nose despite their face.

[Deemotivated 550]

I honestly believe Frawley wants to stay but the lure of success and money may lure him out. Careers are short and you'd want to cash in if you can.

Having said that if Roos takes up the 3rd year and we can have a competitive year you just never know... If he goes Georgiou gets upgraded.

[old dee 23,792]

I honestly believe Frawley wants to stay but the lure of success and money may lure him out. Careers are short and you'd want to cash in if you can.

Having said that if Roos takes up the 3rd year and we can have a competitive year you just never know... If he goes Georgiou gets upgraded.

You will know he is off when he says " I want to be a demon for life" until then I cling to hope.

[old dee 23,792]

The thing is that all the players won't benefit though. Only the top players will. Eventually the competition will become so inequitable that poor clubs will fold.

The AFLPA, like all unions, will cut off their nose despite their face.

To be honest FT IMO there are too many clubs now.

The talent pool is stretched too far just look at the MFc list.

[Sir Why You Little 37,044]

I honestly believe Frawley wants to stay but the lure of success and money may lure him out. Careers are short and you'd want to cash in if you can.

Having said that if Roos takes up the 3rd year and we can have a competitive year you just never know... If he goes Georgiou gets upgraded.

if Chip is lured out by Ca$h and or $ucce$$ he doesn't want to stay.

You either sign or you walk.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,782]

You will know he is off when he says " I want to be a demon for life" until then I cling to hope.

Gotta love football's truisms...which are anything but. That's in the same category as the President saying that "The coach has the full backing of the Board".

[old dee 23,792]

Gotta love football's truisms...which are anything but. That's in the same category as the President saying that "The coach has the full backing of the Board".

Yes and it amazing how often they turn out to be correct.

Two recent ones for me are Ablett and Goddard, both said it half way through their last seasons and it turned out the decision to leave had well and truely been made at that point.

We all know what the second language of the AFL is

We just chose to ignore it when it suits us.

[Deemotivated 550]

if Chip is lured out by Ca$h and or $ucce$$ he doesn't want to stay.

You either sign or you walk.

You'd stay faithful to your employer who has not provided you the quality workplace and remuneration that other employers can?

I'm sure he wants to stay but I really don't begrudge him furthering his earning potential and his workplace environment.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

I am certain chip is honestly conflicted, he wants to stay but needs convincing

[Sir Why You Little 37,044]

You'd stay faithful to your employer who has not provided you the quality workplace and remuneration that other employers can?

I'm sure he wants to stay but I really don't begrudge him furthering his earning potential and his workplace environment.

no mate. If you want to stay somewhere, you will. That may mean your employer adds a sweetener of course.

But if you need serious convincing it may be better to go.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,782]

Yes and it amazing how often they turn out to be correct.

Two recent ones for me are Ablett and Goddard, both said it half way through their last seasons and it turned out the decision to leave had well and truely been made at that point.

We all know what the second language of the AFL is

We just chose to ignore it when it suits us.

Actually, I don't mind players (and politicians) lying about their own personal decisions. It's their business. As long as it doesn't affect their day job, I couldn't care less if a player is contemplating better offers while denying doing so...or if a US President is cheating on his wife.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

Very poor planning by the club.

Front-loaded his contract so now his pay is outside the top 25%. Top teams will be lining up for him. Can't see how the club will be able to match an offer from top-tier teams like Hawthorn, Swans, Pies, even Dockers who will all have big pay-packer players retiring and will have the room to afford him.

You mean Lions fans are laughing about not having to pay $500,000 for a guy that can't get on the park?

Why couldn't we match an offer? Who else are we paying? Sorry forgot about Mitch, the bloke some people are supposedly laughing at? At a guess he would be on closer to 800k, but how much of his was front loaded.

[old dee 23,792]

Actually, I don't mind players (and politicians) lying about their own personal decisions. It's their business. As long as it doesn't affect their day job, I couldn't care less if a player is contemplating better offers while denying doing so...or if a US President is cheating on his wife.

I tried hard to stay away from politicians but could not.

I does to me if they are championing family values etc.

Edited March 12, 2014 by old dee

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

I was just commenting AD on the fact that some one said the Lions would be sad at losing Clark.

Of course it was the right move for the MFC at the time.

The problem is it has turned into a disaster.

And who is happy now.

Fair call Old Dee. It was me that suggested that. CHIP could leave and do his ACL, no I hope that doesn't happen whatever he chooses but footy can be a cruel game. Gumbleton being a great example.

Our first game is a week away. On the chance he is still genuinely undecided, well we know as a club what we have to do.

[old dee 23,792]

Fair call Old Dee. It was me that suggested that. CHIP could leave and do his ACL, no I hope that doesn't happen whatever he chooses but footy can be a cruel game. Gumbleton being a great example.

Our first game is a week away. On the chance he is still genuinely undecided, well we know as a club what we have to do.

I am amazed we did not pick Gumbleton .

With our injury luck he should have been a certain selection