So Frawley hasn't worked hard? Where's your evidence?

They're not trained monkeys, they're humans. Staying motivated in that environment would have been a struggle for anyone. You can stamp your feet and sound as ruthless as you like, but your view seems completely detached from that fact.

Where am i stamping my feet?

It's not me that has put off contract talk even though the club has employed the best coach in the land.

Where am i stamping my feet?

It's not me that has put off contract talk even though the club has employed the best coach in the land.

So just to confirm, you offer no emotional attachment to the players, you just expect results, but Frawley is not entitled to the same right to make decisions without emotion?

Finals and success is what players want. He is one player. He can't produce finals footy on his own. If the team is incapable of that, he will have put in 7 good years trying to get them to that point, and would be well within his rights to go elsewhere where that is a reality.

Where am i stamping my feet?

It's not me that has put off contract talk even though the club has employed the best coach in the land.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, WYL. Chip is an integral part of this club's short term future and to see him walk at the end of the year would be a real disaster.

You and I both know that.

I should emphasise that I'm very much hoping he stays and I don't underestimate his value. Fullbacks like Chip don't come along all the time. I do however think it will take significant improvement for him to stay, and I can understand why.

Looking forward to us improving and seeing Chip resign mid-year.

No issues with him putting off talks at all. I'd do the same.

If he went .it would indeed be unfortunate but hardly a disaster.

To be honest I cant see him going. I think he'll enjoy the revitalised club and play with renewed vigour.

But hes only one player. People get far too wrapped up in individual players for mine.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, WYL. Chip is an integral part of this club's short term future and to see him walk at the end of the year would be a real disaster.

You and I both know that.

i don't want him to go, but i am disappointed that this issue will again hang over the season. It is Chips call. But i also know Whorethorn have a big hole in there cap after Franklin departed.

If I was to make a tip I don't think he'll go either. But he will be in very high demand and some tempting offers will be waved in front of him.

So just to confirm, you offer no emotional attachment to the players, you just expect results, but Frawley is not entitled to the same right to make decisions without emotion?

Finals and success is what players want. He is one player. He can't produce finals footy on his own. If the team is incapable of that, he will have put in 7 good years trying to get them to that point, and would be well within his rights to go elsewhere where that is a reality.

not disagreeing with the above.

After 186 i do not hold emotinal ties to the players like i used to.

Ha! Vintage WYL.

Doesn't even know what he's angry about

Ha! Vintage WYL.

Doesn't even know what he's angry about

well aware of it actually.

I have no issue with him holding off contracts talks. He would be stupid to re-sign with us. Why would you. The only thing that worries me is this whole coaching succession plan and if we can get someone next year. Chip has had what 7 coaches since his first season and he knows roos is going to go whenever he does. Also Chip has been in the backline where the ball practically lived in the past few season.

But FA will screw us over if we dont start winning and get some momentum around the team.

The only thing is if a hawthorn who are cashed up, geelong or collingwood come after him. Then we dont stand a chance.

But I thought watts was gone so what would I know. But I hope he stays

If I was to make a tip I don't think he'll go either. But he will be in very high demand and some tempting offers will be waved in front of him.

Correct. Freo have Dawson and McPharlin. Dawson is a foot soldier and McPharin's in his final year. West Coast, Glass...ready to go. Hawks...Lake.

There are so many, I could keep going, but I'm no fast typist. Every club will dangle a carrot.

If holding onto JW was a litmus test for this Club, then Chip's signature now becomes paramount.

The CEO spruiked about selling 'hope.' It needs to go further than that.....

Where am i stamping my feet?

It's not me that has put off contract talk even though the club has employed the best coach in the land.

Roos, while I am over the moon we got him, is a means to an end, not an end. Many thought the same thing about the number 1 draft picks of 2008/09. We need to judge the club on the results it produces, not the potential of the tools it has that may produce those results.

Roos, while I am over the moon we got him, is a means to an end, not an end. Many thought the same thing about the number 1 draft picks of 2008/09. We need to judge the club on the results it produces, not the potential of the tools it has that may produce those results.

Roos has got a lot more credentials than 17 year old draft picks.

Brian Lake's premiership with Hawthorn is evidence enough for Chippa to wait and see what happens.

Roos has got a lot more credentials than 17 year old draft picks.

It's the same mindset however. We have gotten a commodity/staff member/business opportunity and now all will be right with the world. The same thing, unrealistically, was thought when Neeld got here. We need to stop thinking that all will be fixed based on one appointment whose results haven't come to fruition yet.

I believe that Roos will most likely be an improvement. However, I cannot say 100% that is the case and my final verdict on him will come after 2 years. I hate to say it WYL but you are setting yourself up for a ridiculously hard fall if this appointment bombs out. I hope it doesn't (in fact I don't think it will) but if it does, I can see you on here giving the 'Roos regime' a good scalding for it's 'blunders' all the while ignoring how you declared his appointment 'Mission Accomplished'.

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It's the same mindset however. We have gotten a commodity/staff member/business opportunity and now all will be right with the world. The same thing, unrealistically, was thought when Neeld got here. We need to stop thinking that all will be fixed based on one appointment whose results haven't come to fruition yet.

I believe that Roos will most likely be an improvement. However, I cannot say 100% that is the case and my final verdict on him will come after 2 years. I hate to say it WYL but you are setting yourself up for a ridiculously hard fall if this appointment bombs out. I hope it doesn't (in fact I don't think it will) but if it does, I can see you on here giving the 'Roos regime' a good scalding for it's 'blunders' all the while ignoring how you declared his appointment 'Mission Accomplished'.

Mate if Roos and PJ fail to improve this club the whole club is in danger.

I have never once said it is mission accomplished.

THE HARD WORK STARTS NOW.

But is a player like Chip 100% up for the cause?

I wonder about that.

We have no control over what is going to happen.

If he stays great, if he goes who would blame him?

It's going to be a long season.

Even with your posts blocked, you're flooding my screen with your emotional crap.

Mate if Roos and PJ fail to improve this club the whole club is in danger.

I have never once said it is mission accomplished.

THE HARD WORK STARTS NOW.

But is a player like Chip 100% up for the cause?

I wonder about that.

It almost seems like you expect Chip to feel that way. If he sees that there is a cause there worth fighting for, I'm sure he is up for it. That's the whole point of what he is doing now.

The stuff with Roos and PJ you mention is dicing with exactly what I was talking about. Have you ever considered the possibility they just might fail? I'm sure that they, without dwelling on it and maintaining confidence in their own abilities, probably have considered that possibility.

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It almost seems like you expect Chip to feel that way. If he sees that there is a cause there worth fighting for, I'm sure he is up for it. That's the whole point of what he is doing now.

The stuff with Roos and PJ you mention is dicing with exactly what I was talking about. Have you ever considered the possibility they just might fail? I'm sure that they, without dwelling on it and maintaining confidence in their own abilities, probably have considered that possibility.

of course i have thought of it. Nothing in this mad world is concrete. But if the next few years do fail i will not be bagging out Roos or PJ because i know how they operate.

Lets just see how hard Chip goes late in the season shall we once the sharks start doing circles to see if he is 100% committed to improving the MFC or not.

I hope he is.

Best Full Back in the AFL? Really. It's been a while since the 2010 season. Chip had a solid year back then...

His only 25 and still has the qualitys to be the best again.

It would be hard to give it your all week in week out when your playing for a bottom sides.

But anyways that's just my opinion as I said in my first comment.

Same comments by different posters... Over and over again... Maybe Chip should take control of this thread and put it on hold also?

of course i have thought of it. Nothing in this mad world is concrete. But if the next few years do fail i will not be bagging out Roos or PJ because i know how they operate.

Lets just see how hard Chip goes late in the season shall we once the sharks start doing circles to see if he is 100% committed to improving the MFC or not.

I hope he is.

You are still missing the point. He is doing what any logical person in the same situation would do. It is not cause for blowing your lid.