I concur,

IMO they have chosen the path leading to the smallest penalty. In so doing they have opened the door to potentially massive claims from the players & Worksafe. Time will tell. One thing I am certain of, they are going to cop a whack at some time.

Well you would think any entity in their situation would do the same, whether you agree with their stance.

I would have thought that this approach would have mitigated somewhat the risk of massive claims and Worksafe. If they had come out and fallen on their sword and taken full responsibility and accountability for their sins then the lawyers would be lining up to sue them.

They wont and havent escaped censure. However to date it could have been far worse. But there is still more to come and they will have little influence over that.

As far as EFC's plan and audit procedures is concerned its already been established through the Ziggy report and the ASADA interim report that there has been a systemic failure of governance at the club. Poor or absent reporting lines, unclear roles and responsibilities with no line of sight of operations with no formalised reporting up the chain with inadequate record keeping. EFC's failings are symbolic of what has happened in a number of major corporate governance disasters especially in the financial services industry. In short its clear they did not keep tabs and as a result elements within the club have been extremely reckless.

This is all true. However I wouldn't conclude that this general lack of governance means they kept no records of the actual program.

This is all true. However I wouldn't conclude that this general lack of governance means they kept no records of the actual program.

I am not claiming nor concluding that at all. Given what we do know about the governance failings at EFC it is plausible that record keeping was poor slapdash and not performed at all in some cases.

Despite the incessant chestbeating of some posters that there were records and they must have been destroyed, we are still yet to estanlish that. Its certainly still a possibility but as I said before the discovery of such practices would put this investigation on a far more serious path.

I bet Dank kept records of what he was doing though. Even if they were seperate.

I bet Dank kept records of what he was doing though. Even if they were seperate.

A Witch Doctor might not bother with record-keeping but a somewhat-qualified Sports Scientist hopefully would.

It is hardly credible that data relating to an extensive injection regime was not recorded in specific individual detail.

It would be most-unprofessional and heading towards the criminal not to do so.

Dank would also keep his own records purely so he knew what stock he needed to purchase.

However primative those records maybe.

Well you would think any entity in their situation would do the same, whether you agree with their stance.

I would have thought that this approach would have mitigated somewhat the risk of massive claims and Worksafe. If they had come out and fallen on their sword and taken full responsibility and accountability for their sins then the lawyers would be lining up to sue them.

They wont and havent escaped censure. However to date it could have been far worse. But there is still more to come and they will have little influence over that.

With no records kept and and the acceptance that substances were administered, what defense do the EFC have to future claims from players claiming problems as a result of the unknown substances? The EFC can hardly say we did not give you x y or z. Or at the dosage you had you could not possible have that side effect. Pandora and her box will open.

I cannot see this mitigating the risk for EFC I think it will exaggerate the risk.

What possible defense could they mount. We don't know what they were administered or how much and based on our complete lack of records......woops.......

The year is 2053 the son of player X I'll call him Goter, he finds that he is infertile as a possible result of a sperm defect from his father who played for EFC he is seeking damages. It could happen.

Its no more a stance than your claims. And you have little substantive to back it up.

As far as EFC's plan and audit procedures is concerned its already been established through the Ziggy report and the ASADA interim report that there has been a systemic failure of governance at the club. Poor or absent reporting lines, unclear roles and responsibilities with no line of sight of operations with no formalised reporting up the chain with inadequate record keeping. EFC's failings are symbolic of what has happened in a number of major corporate governance disasters especially in the financial services industry. In short its clear they did not keep tabs and as a result elements within the club have been extremely reckless.

And EFC have not adopted as stance they have done no wrong. They have mea culpaed on a number of issues as stated but have not accepted that they deliberately and intentionally exposed the players to a doping program. And the lack of governance framework at the club has meant that individuals like Hird and Reid were not formally responsible. Their position does not wash with anyone who is not a fanatical Essendon supporter.

Essendon realise there have been substantial failings on their behalf. They just dont accept that the outcomes were a deliberate plan to run a doping system.

Of course they do. They wanting a cutting edge program. I don't think anyone suggests they deliberately sought to go over the line (wherever that line is) but make no mistake they were pushing hard to ensure they had an edge on the competition.

Sometimes when you walk on a line you cross over it. They clearly did. The 'oops we didn't mean to go over it' doesn't wash. Even Ziggy (their guy) said it was an 'experiment'. They set out to push the boundary and failed...

Throw the book at them....

On the question of whether Essendon/Dank kept records of thousands of injections of players under their drugs programme, the words of the S & G song come to mind:-

"All lies and jests

Still a man hears what he wants to hear

And disregards the rest "

and from Danks....... the Sound of Silence !!

2+2=4 I have no evidence to support my answer but I know it is true.

No offence - but what the .......? You could be the Hun chief footy writer with that sort of logic.