Respectfully, I disagree.

The system already overcompensates lower teams and under compensates higher teams because the picks are handed out after ladder position. The formula in theory works to establish the band, which is consistent across all teams, and then the team's ladder position modifies to be better or worse because it is tied to another pick.

If Daisy gets band 1, it's because he would have been on huge money at Collingwood and a huge offer from Carlton. I wonder if 'time spent injured' figures at all into their formula. Maybe they do have an 'injury prone' modifier or something that will reduce his value. But who knows? The AFL isn't known for its transparency.

RE what the players are paid, how does it take it into account when UFAs leave? Sylvia left to chase success, not money. Same with Rivers. Moloney left because he wanted out due to personality clash not because of money, in years pay he would have probably been traded.

None of those players would be getting the sane con wisher they would at Melbourne. But for a player like an Ablett or a Franklin, or a Daisy, who have had success they were moving for money.

Is it fair that FA compo only compensates teams who's players leave for money and not teams whose players leave for success?

Personally I think the formula should be a combo of what they are currently being paid, what they will be paid, and best and fairest takes for the past 2-4 years, weighted. I have no problem with age paying a small part, but it should only play a a part at the excrement ends ie a 26 year old leaving with 5 years left his more than a 31 year old leaving. 27 shouldn't get more than 28. Perhaps the cut off is 29 and over for age related impact.

Personally I think compo needs to stay. The pillars of the draft and salary cap and trading mean that clubs get assets (picks and players) and if they can lose them for nothing once they got a certain age they will be at a disadvantage.

Poor on field clubs will become feeders for top clubs and no more.

But back to Viv!

I was told emphatically that this trade would be announced... But it hasn't been...

Anyway he fits the category of emerging and potentially talented young midfielder struggling for opportunities at a top midfield side.

Do you know many years we have offered him?

Unfortunately no more info.

Do you know many years we have offered him?

FWIW I was chatting to Bleasey the other day and he reckons we are a fair chance to get him. Reckons 3 years

Is it fair that FA compo only compensates teams who's players leave for money and not teams whose players leave for success?

Exactly.

The system is flawed, but that's how it works apparently.

Maybe Hardtack's notion of the AFL bringing in other considerations does have merit. The problem there of course is that it's the AFL doing the considering. I guess it'd be fine if they were a well-run, consistent, transparent organisation. Clearly they are not.

FWIW I was chatting to Bleasey the other day and he reckons we are a fair chance to get him. Reckons 3 years

Both eastern rangers boys too aren't they??

Both eastern rangers boys too aren't they??

I think Michie played for the Oakleigh Chargers

That he did.

(Oakeigh chargers)

But both Vic Metro, fwiw.

Michie drafted 2 years after Blease, though.

That he did.

(Oakeigh chargers)

So the blokes played 1 AFL game yeah? Whats with all the excitment ?

What I think people need to remember is we are in a position where we just have to trust the new regime at the club. We have to back the judgement of Paul Roos and the people he is in charge of to make the best decisions possible on behalf of the club. Prior to PJ and then Roos coming on board we were in a world of trouble. Perhaps as bad as we have been since the merger situation. We have nothing left but to have faith in the people and the club NOW and hope they get it right. Of course this does not mean we can't have an opinion but geez, just roll with it!

How many Swans supporters would have thought the recruitment of Richards, Kennedy or Mattner was a good idea at the time? How many of them backed Roos in when he plucked Shaw from the Pies? Michie is a risk but one that I am willing to take, because Paul Roos is. Call it blind faith if you like, but what other option do we have?

I've herd this guy is pretty good when not injured but not sure if 3 years is a good idea. Maybe start with 1 then see how his injurys are to prove him self for a contract extension.

I've herd this guy is pretty good when not injured but not sure if 3 years is a good idea. Maybe start with 1 then see how his injurys are to prove him self for a contract extension.

He wouldn't bother leaving for a one year deal. Would need to be two minimum

He wouldn't bother leaving for a one year deal. Would need to be two minimum

Do you know him?

Do you know him?

i don't know if he does but common sense says he's 21, played almost a whole WAFL season last year of great footy. Freo would offer him 2 years so we need to give at least that. 3 wouldn't be silly. Smarter than 4 for Vince

Considering we put a D grader in Pederson on 3 years, I have no issue taking a punt on Michie for the same term.

Considering we put a D grader in Pederson on 3 years, I have no issue taking a punt on Michie for the same term.

If we use that decision as a precedent to guide our future contract negotiations, we're in a world of pain.

In addition to fork's post, we also have TV & JT involved in recruiting, and based on last year we picks 2 mature blokes who hasn't even played a single AFL game.

Those 2 came 3rd and 4th in the Bluey.

Imagine what we might be able to do with a kid who's played 1 game already...

This guy is worth a 4th round pick.

Has played one game in three years.

We are so desperate for mids aren't we that we get all gobsmacked over this guy...shows just where we are at as a club

We are so desperate for mids aren't we that we get all gobsmacked over this guy...shows just where we are at as a club

It seems we will always be paying overs for anyone. That is our lot.

i don't know if he does but common sense says he's 21, played almost a whole WAFL season last year of great footy. Freo would offer him 2 years so we need to give at least that. 3 wouldn't be silly. Smarter than 4 for Vince

I doubt that the WAFL would be as strong as the VFL. So playing 'great' football there, but failing to get a game with Freo, is much like Magner and other regular VFL standard players on our list. I'd take it with a grain of sand. I can't get excited about Michie. Hope I'm wrong!

WAFL footy is just as good as VFL. Viv would get a walk up start into our lineup.

We are so desperate for mids aren't we that we get all gobsmacked over this guy...shows just where we are at as a club

Yes, it does.

And your contempt for making these moves shows you probably don't have the stomach to be involved in turning it around.

Moves like this are what it will take, unless you have a better solution.