What do you think the club is doing? Do you think they want us to get flogged, do you think they are trying to run it into the ground, do you think they are not trying to change?

Neeld has a strategy to change this club and its not producing short-term results because its long-term orientated.

He has chopped off the fat, developed some young rookies and brought in some great staff such as Misson and Craig.

Sure he has made some mistakes, particularly with his approach to the leadership group but he is actively trying to change the club so we dont have to be in this same place for a while.

Patience is a virtue, and no one has more patience than a Melbourne supporter.

But I would much rather not win a game for the rest of the season and for once have a long term strategy to get us out of here than be in the exact same spot in 2 years complaining about the exact same thing.

Changing coach wont get us anywhere. We will waste another season with a caretaker, the list will be subjected to another rebuild to fit the new coach, and we will have to go down the exact same road in letting the coach see his strategy through... most likely they will be subjected to the same short term criticism and then we will have to get a new coach 2 years later, and waste another season with a caretaker coach, the list will be subjected to another rebuild to fit the new coach, and we will have to go down the exact same road in letting the coach see his strategy through

Long term performance > short term performance.

"But I would much rather not win a game for the rest of the season and for once have a long term strategy to get us out of here than be in the exact same spot in 2 years complaining about the exact same thing." Huh ???? Sounds like the past couple of decades to me... !!! We have been going down "the exact same road" for a bloody long time me thinks... Sick of it !!!

"But I would much rather not win a game for the rest of the season and for once have a long term strategy to get us out of here than be in the exact same spot in 2 years complaining about the exact same thing." Huh ???? Sounds like the past couple of decades to me... !!! We have been going down "the exact same road" for a bloody long time me thinks... Sick of it !!!

So what, you would rather axe a coach with a long-term strategy?

Since 1965 no coach (apart from Daniher) has lasted more than 5 years.

Bailey lasted 2, and now people are calling for Neeld to go after less than 2 - we are eating through coaches like an American at a all you can eat buffet

A great reflection on our demand for short-term performance than long-term...

Fair dinkum you must be one of the crowd that cheers us off after half time every week!

Unless you haven't noticed, we have been cellar dwellers for 6 years!

Don't worry about the last 6 Yrs where we have finally been motivated to do something about being perennial failures & bridesmaids.

... we are finally wanting to stand up & change into a power club.. this is a great thing. so what if we make some mistakes along the way toward this end.

Its the pursuit of this Goal that IS the very heart of Importance.

.. some a re just embarrassed & don't have the ticka to get to the heart of it, to go the extra distance to fix it, preferring to appear well, rather than be Winners.

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So what, you would rather axe a coach with a long-term strategy?

Since 1965 no coach (apart from Daniher) has lasted more than 5 years.

Bailey lasted 2, and now people are calling for Neeld to go after less than 2 - we are eating through coaches like an American at a all you can eat buffet

A great reflection on our demand for short-term performance than long-term...

No I would not rather sack a Coach with a long term strategy and I have never wanted to or said I wanted to ?? Just like to see at least a Coach with an acceptable and credible long term strategy which in the case of the current Coach doesn't appear to be either...I just want to see us going somewhere we haven't been for a long time. I HATE sacking coaches.... I , like many others want MN to succeed...

I think Neeld has brought a lot of this on himself by either misjudging or misleading the supporters, if he had come out at the start of the year and said he was looking to this year as development and that we would be working on fitness and game plan, it would have been much better than saying, we were much closer than anyone thought.

The above comment and his "we didn't see that coming" comment have shown him to be inept; at least in how to get the message to supporters.

If he didn't know how far off the pace we are then he lacks the judgement to be a top line coach, if he wasn't aware of just how bad our skills are the same applies. Neeld is responsible for his own dilemmas, he's shown appalling judgement and he should think carefully before he makes any more statements; I think we are all sick of the "they've got more games under their belts than we have".

Supporters don't like being lied to, or at least mislead, and he would be better off if he stopped trying to sugar coat it and tell it how it is.

Did you answer my questions as to how the Neeld bashing helps the club?

Or does it boil down to "I feel angry" and Neeld is the easy target?

I think Neeld, as a first time coach, is learning rapidly and has handled many issues as best as can be imagined. For example Jimmy's death a week prior to him coaching his first game, Liam's machette issues and subsequent family issues, sorting the wheat from the chaff on our list, putting in place the processes and systems to raise to elite the preparation the team has, etc... That said, no one is perfect.

But the question remains, whats your goal in constantly potting your own coach?

the problem with that message is the players hear it as well.

... & they can then subconsciously relax knowing that they are infact in a development phase, & that giving 100% + some isn't as necessary as making certain not to make a mistake.

we need the players to be going flat out to try to extend their abilities under pressure. not plod along, like Melbourne teams have often been doing since around 2002.

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You make a very valid point. The words Development & Rebuild should never be heard by players. The equal subconcious relaxation.

I wish our list played with a desperation to improve skills and decision making, of which i have not seen for a long time.

Remember that Friday Night flogging by Geelong in the rain? (2008?)...We are still at that point 5 seasons later...Re bloody building.

It is a mere excuse.

He said 'I love you Stuie - you're like a little Buddha, only covered in hair'.

The people who fall victim to this line of reasoning are generally susceptible to conspiracy theories, which are generally not aligned to rational, common sense thinking and which are hugely selective in the way in which they 'use' the available evidence.

It's convenient, but it's actually not very insightful. The Schwab situation was complex, and its presenting issues and history make it far, far different to comments being made by the players as to morale within the player group.

Now, I accept the moon landing occurred. However I know people who don't 'believe' it happened - these same people 'believe' 9/11 was some kind of plot by the US government to justify the commencement of the 'war on terrorism'.

And this is why I think, for some here, this anti Neeld stance has become like a religious crusade. IMO it's getting completely irrational. Any information that does not support their anti Neeld crusade is conveniently ignored or discredited.

In this context, I find it ironic in the extreme that a comment has been made about the McLardy/Schwab presser - yet many here have been boxing at shadows for the last couple of days all because of some b.s rumour posted on some b.s blog about Roos being our coach in a few weeks - notwithstanding that ALL of the 'evidence' to date is that Roos wouldn't go near this club with a fifty foot barge pole.

But hey, that's right - we can't 'believe' what Roos has said about his own intentions and various 'on the record' comments he has made over the past couple of years about this club, because such comments are unreliable and probably untrue.

Talk about people who can't think ...

Hmmmm you missed my point Ron... I wasn't talking about the Roos situation at all, I was talking about the credibility of articles put up BY the club FOR the club, like the Frawley one.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

And we have started to address that.....It takes time....You must be Gen y....Wants everything and want it NOW....

You forgot.....and make no input to get it......just deserves it.......

No I would not rather sack a Coach with a long term strategy and I have never wanted to or said I wanted to ?? Just like to see at least a Coach with an acceptable and credible long term strategy which in the case of the current Coach doesn't appear to be either...I just want to see us going somewhere we haven't been for a long time. I HATE sacking coaches.... I , like many others want MN to succeed...

Sorry about that, I got a bit too defensive.

I share your sentiment!

So what, you would rather axe a coach with a long-term strategy?

Since 1965 no coach (apart from Daniher) has lasted more than 5 years.

Bailey lasted 2, and now people are calling for Neeld to go after less than 2 - we are eating through coaches like an American at a all you can eat buffet

A great reflection on our demand for short-term performance than long-term...

Ummm.....bailey got the sack toward the end of his 4th year

Ummm.....bailey got the sack toward the end of his 4th year

That is correct - my mistake.

So in short, the Neeld and co Football Department have been consistent with their messages to the supporter group,

we didn't see that coming

Hmmmm you missed my point Ron... I wasn't talking about the Roos situation at all, I was talking about the credibility of articles put up BY the club FOR the club, like the Frawley one.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

Go F*&K yourself, San Diego. B)

The inept one said in the presser this am that he won't elevate a rookie this week despite Grimes being put on the LTI list. WTF

The inept one said in the presser this am that he won't elevate a rookie this week despite Grimes being put on the LTI list. WTF

With our midfield there is no need to rush angrydee!!!!!!!!

Two midfielders are injured and no Magner. Genius!

Two midfielders are injured and no Magner. Genius!

Did you answer my questions as to how the Neeld bashing helps the club?

Or does it boil down to "I feel angry" and Neeld is the easy target?

I think Neeld, as a first time coach, is learning rapidly and has handled many issues as best as can be imagined. For example Jimmy's death a week prior to him coaching his first game, Liam's machette issues and subsequent family issues, sorting the wheat from the chaff on our list, putting in place the processes and systems to raise to elite the preparation the team has, etc... That said, no one is perfect.

But the question remains, whats your goal in constantly potting your own coach?

Perhaps you should have a read through my post as you obviously haven't read it yet and then come back to me.

Summary: Expect criticism if you mislead your supporters. My goal is to support a competitive club and I don't at the moment.

I've said it before to someone else; what's your tipping point?

With our midfield there is no need to rush angrydee!!!!!!!!

Two midfielders out injured and no Magner. Sheer genius!

Two midfielders out injured and no Magner. Sheer genius!

Would be nice to get an explanation as to why but that is probably asking too much.

Neeld would want to be confident otherwise it could be the last game he coaches.

I believe MN is totally inept as a coach, but don't see any point in sacking him now.

My tipping point (a good question imo) was reached v GWS despite the last quarter

It will be well over it if we lose tomorrow but, unless a coach with real gravitas is available, I don't see any point in switching deckchairs. A new one is needed and the club should start looking for one for next year.

And if MN proves me wrong over the next 16 games, I'll be rapt.

Interesting take on the coaching palaver from Demonland's favorite journo. I have to say she makes a pretty good argument.

Seems to be channeling Baghdad Bob.

I'm perplexed as to the objective of those looking to undermine Neeld through this ongoing campaign of rumour and innuendo.

If Neeld fails to perform as coach then the appropriate steps will be taken at the appropriate time (i.e. either at the end of the season or at the end of his contract). For the MFC do otherwise (i.e prior to those points) would be amateurish and raise more questions about the capacity of those in charge of the MFC than it would resolve.

Given this, what is the point of giving Neeld anything other than our unqualified support?

How does it serve the MFC, the players who take the field weekly, the FD and Coaches, etc... to have a section of their supporters highlighting every failing (real or perceived), making up or honing in on any rumour of division or the coach being sacked? How is it helping us win games of footy?

I totally reject the accusation of 'undermining' MN - I react to what I see and if I think that requires urgent action I will say so - there is no point in waiting until the end of a contract just because that contract exists!

Two midfielders are injured and no Magner. Genius!

James Magner is not up to AFL standard.

Simple.

I'm not trying to convince you that mark Neeld is The Man.

I'm trying to convince you of the horrid Culture mostly since 1965, that has eaten away at the Clubs ability to become a Power Club once again...

Neeld is doing the right thing to Smash the holders of this woeful weak culture.... so to be able to microscopically inject the new DNA nucleus into that Split Cell, to Clone a healthy new Attitude, with strong fighting, never backup DNA...

I know its unpalatable to many supporters to think of their Hero's as 'being a carrier', of the old infected degrading Virus.

but this is what happens around a defeatist club of over 40 Yrs...

..... look at the Saints, the Doggies, the Roos to a large extent, are still trying hard to break the old cultures of nearly a 100 years of struggle.... the Swans changed, thru the relocation helping to change the outside part of its culture, with a totally new supporter base, yelling & cheering for the boys.

We all have to change & adopt a new way of thinking about how we, support & or hinder our players, by how we go about it in our contact with, or gameday supporting of the team onfield.

If, Neeld goes, we must have another coach to carry on what Neeld Is doing re the culture, or we lose this chance maybe forever.

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I thought we had already agreed on the post 1965 culture.

We disagree on whether MN is the person to change that culture - I have seen nothing to convince me that he is.