The last thing this club can afford is another interim coach to take over while we look for another. The one concern that I have is that the problems that the club has goes back per Neeld and most of the current FD. For this reason, the review that Jackson will undertake is critical. A fresh look at things may uncover deeper problems.

"I can only see what I can see on the field'

He doesn't know anything, he hasn't heard anything, he hasn't spoken to any players. He's just guessing, based on what's going on on the field. Same as everyone around here.

Happy to stick with Dawes' version for the moment.

With the difference to everyone hear being that he's a former AFL player.... Might know a bit more than us.

Ox said it looks like from the outstde Neeld has lost the players - lets get our facts right

Haha.. What facts exactly did I quote?

Haha.. What facts exactly did I quote?

Re-read post 1067. You imply the Ox knows what's happening inside the club

Does it even really matter?

Re-read post 1067. You imply the Ox knows what's happening inside the club

Does it even really matter?

Right. So implying something is the same as stating facts?

You're the one who said "lets get our facts right".

Well said Ben. Moloney is another Neeld stuff up.

I have never seen a more soulless and spiritless group of footballers.

There is no doubt that the players don't play for the coach and few players have improved under Neeld. Many have gone backwards. A number of required players have been dispatched poorly from the Club.

Neeld needs to be cut immediately. And the process to move forward with a competent experienced coach recruited through a disciplined and sensible recruitment plan enacted likewise. And no Garry Lyon involved thanks.

I was all for giving Neeld a fair run at it however the game against the lions highlights some more massive flaws in our coaching department.

1. We let Beamer go a genuine hard nut mid, wins contested ball and clearances and he rips us a new one at the weekend. We have a similar player on our Rookie list who is ripping up the VFL at the moment. WTF?

2. At the Press conference after the game he suggested that to loss under 5 goals on the road was a postive? WTF If BL had of kicked straight it would have been a 10 goal loss! 37 scoring shots to 24 is a flogging! Crap like this is not exactly inspiring people to by membership.

That to go along with other gems like "I want us to be the hardest team to play against" We are the easiest team to score against!

Why hasn't anyone asked Garry Lyon and the MFC about the day that they interviewed Neeld for the job, and to see if the presentation he put forward to them to get the coaching job is the same as what is being seen now?

Massive shake up of the football department is needed, Mahoney, Craig, Royal and Rawlings have to go also!

Well said Ben. Moloney is another Neeld stuff up.

I have never seen a more soulless and spiritless group of footballers.

There is no doubt that the players don't play for the coach and few players have improved under Neeld. Many have gone backwards. A number of required players have been dispatched poorly from the Club.

Neeld needs to be cut immediately. And the process to move forward with a competent experienced coach recruited through a disciplined and sensible recruitment plan enacted likewise. And no Garry Lyon involved thanks.

We can't sack him now, who will coach us? From all the training reports everything was going well. Hell one Ben Hur was getting very excited. Then reality strikes. It's not Neeld who blew all those top 20 picks, it's not Neeld that has picked the worst midfield in the comp. You do realise that without a functioning midfield a club has little hope in seeing any improvement. Our backs have gone backwards because the opposition waltz the ball past our midfield with so much ease its ridiculous. Lost the playing group? Where did they go? This is the remains of an ordinary group with a core of about 9 quality players, he'll at least get them fit and make them realise its not easy to be the best.

Right. So implying something is the same as stating facts?

You're the one who said "lets get our facts right".

mate do you just love to argue?

I will spell it out for you....

Bing said - Dawes is a reliable source for what the playing group is thinking

You said - Ox would have something to say about that - he thinks Neeld has lost the players

I said - Ox said in his interview from Open Mike' from the outside it looks like Neeld' has lost the players - it is not a fact Neeld has lost the players - you implied it was a fact Ox knows Neeld has lost the players, it is not a fact

Comprehend?

FFS who cares anyway - Neelds fate will be determined by results in the next 17 games

We can't sack him now, who will coach us? From all the training reports everything was going well. Hell one Ben Hur was getting very excited. Then reality strikes. It's not Neeld who blew all those top 20 picks, it's not Neeld that has picked the worst midfield in the comp. You do realise that without a functioning midfield a club has little hope in seeing any improvement. Our backs have gone backwards because the opposition waltz the ball past our midfield with so much ease its ridiculous. Lost the playing group? Where did they go? This is the remains of an ordinary group with a core of about 9 quality players, he'll at least get them fit and make them realise its not easy to be the best.

Firstly, surely Neeld would know the midfield is where it all happens. Then he brings in Gillies, Byrnes, Rodan, Pederson.

Secondly, we are WORSE than last year. Surely after 19 months in charge we should be getting better NOT worse under Neeld if he's any good?

Thirdly, don't be facetious about losing the players, you know what it means, and to joke it off shows you have no answer for it. What did The Ox say about his impression? Think he might know a bit about playing groups and relationships with coaches?

mate do you just love to argue?

I will spell it out for you....

Bing said - Dawes is a reliable source for what the playing group is thinking

You said - Ox would have something to say about that - he thinks Neeld has lost the players

I said - Ox said in his interview from Open Mike' from the outside it looks like Neeld' has lost the players - it is not a fact Neeld has lost the players - you implied it was a fact Ox knows Neeld has lost the players, it is not a fact

Comprehend?

FFS who cares anyway - Neelds fate will be determined by results in the next 17 games

Hahahaha geez mate you are struggling. I never even implied facts. The only implication was that Ox had an opinion on the playing groups relationship with the coach.

How many times have you seen a player come out and bag his own coach? Don't read too much into those kind of articles.

At this point he is gone at season's end.

I don't know why we are dancing on graves here.

It isn't working out and should what we see continue - at the end of the year we will move on to (hopefully) an established coach.

But I see very little reason to have 4 months (!) of caretaker.

It would be akin to a marathon of running on the spot.

(Yes, I know what we have now with a seemingly lame duck isn't much better but I would take a dynamic of blokes trying to save a coach than a coach everyone knows is there until the end of the year.)

At this point he is gone at season's end.

I don't know why we are dancing on graves here.

It isn't working out and should what we see continue - at the end of the year we will move on to (hopefully) an established coach.

But I see very little reason to have 4 months (!) of caretaker.

It would be akin to a marathon of running on the spot.

(Yes, I know what we have now with a seemingly lame duck isn't much better but I would take a dynamic of blokes trying to save a coach than a coach everyone knows is there until the end of the year.)

I think that if Neeld has lost the players, then keeping him is counter-productive.We gain nothing and potentially lose players that we need to keep.

At this point he is gone at season's end.

I don't know why we are dancing on graves here.

It isn't working out and should what we see continue - at the end of the year we will move on to (hopefully) an established coach.

But I see very little reason to have 4 months (!) of caretaker.

It would be akin to a marathon of running on the spot.

(Yes, I know what we have now with a seemingly lame duck isn't much better but I would take a dynamic of blokes trying to save a coach than a coach everyone knows is there until the end of the year.)

I'm a know non-fan of Neeld, but even I say he should stay til CLOSE to the end of the season.

Caretakers are a waste of time, but if we can ditch Neeld a few weeks before the end of the season then we get a head start on recruiting the new guy for next year.

That is of course if having him doesn't effect re-signing some of our important players.

I think that if Neeld has lost the players, then keeping him is counter-productive.We gain nothing and potentially lose players that we need to keep.

Agree, but the problem is none of us knows the true position.

Agree, but the problem is none of us knows the true position.

Yep - we are all going off data that can be interpreted in different ways - all with fair reasoning behind it too. Our only hope is that the Board is competent and well-informed by the right people at FD level.

Yep - we are all going off data that can be interpreted in different ways - all with fair reasoning behind it too. Our only hope is that the Board is competent and well-informed by the right people at FD level.

Understand timD, but that's a lot of hope!

Understand timD, but that's a lot of hope!

I genuinely do not want to think about it.

At this point he is gone at season's end.

I don't know why we are dancing on graves here.

It isn't working out and should what we see continue - at the end of the year we will move on to (hopefully) an established coach.

But I see very little reason to have 4 months (!) of caretaker.

It would be akin to a marathon of running on the spot.

(Yes, I know what we have now with a seemingly lame duck isn't much better but I would take a dynamic of blokes trying to save a coach than a coach everyone knows is there until the end of the year.)

This is all very rational .

The problem is that it looks more like a bunch of blokes trying to bury the coach.

Either that or they are trying to work for a coach who has NFI and the entire club is (edit: "going") backwards as a result.

It's a horrible mess and something has to give.

Yep - we are all going off data that can be interpreted in different ways - all with fair reasoning behind it too. Our only hope is that the Board is competent and well-informed by the right people at FD level.

Well not all of us are going off. Some of us are unsure where to step.

I think that if Neeld has lost the players, then keeping him is counter-productive.We gain nothing and potentially lose players that we need to keep.

That's a big 'if' and I am not saying that we keep him till October.

If in August we are certain of his fate then we can do it then and reconcile it with any players that were disillusioned.

I just don't think it is as simple as 'the players hate the coach' - some will fight for him and will think we are a rabble for firing him before he even makes it to the half way mark of his contract.

1 month of a caretaker is fine, 2 months if you are sure the decision is made.

But 3 or 4 months of jogging on the spot doesn't help us retain those oh-so-disillusioned players.

We assess at years end.

A season is a long time in footy.

Rounds 17-23, will most likely tell us what we want to know.

Brisbane

Nth Melb

GWS

Frem

Adel

West Bulldogs.

How many does he need to win ?

If we can win 4 ?

Bris, GWS, Adel, Bulldogs. Id be happy with that.

We assess at years end.

A season is a long time in footy.

Rounds 17-23, will most likely tell us what we want to know.

Brisbane

Nth Melb

GWS

Frem

Adel

West Bulldogs.

How many does he need to win ?

If we can win 4 ?

Bris, GWS, Adel, Bulldogs. Id be happy with that.

If he won those 4 I'd get down on my knees and praise God.

I reckon we'll be lucky to win 4 all year.

How many years in a row is it now that we are looking at draft picks after the first game of the season?

Between the years 2006 to now we have not improved one bit, in fact we've got progressively worse. I thought that Neeld and the expanded FD would bring a new standard to the club and they have but it's a new low not high. I don't want to argue about Bailey, he's gone and its pointless getting tied up with comparisons, we are in the [censored] at the moment we need to talk about the future and where we are headed.

I personally think we have to move on from Neeld and if that means Craig or Viney then it should be done. We then need a coach that commands respect, someone like Matthews or Roos, I'd say if we convinced one of those it would give the club some much needed credibility. If we look at replacing Neeld with another untried coach, that's if we replace him, it will be the death of the club.

We need someone at the top who knows how to coach.

If Neeld leaves he'll spend the next 2 - 3 years at whatever new club he goes to trying to poach our players and administration staff. Like he has with Collingwood. (Dawes, Wellingham, Taylor, Leigh Brown, probably Daisy ect)

Neeld had everything going for him when he arrived at this club. He got what he demanded with the football department and then he had to deal with some very sad news with Jimmy passing.

Here is my rub regarding Neeld and the current administration.

At the start of 2013 Neeld had near a full fit list who apparently trained the house down over summer.

This list under Neeld had 12 months grace after Jimmys passing to get itself in shape.

Neeld stated that the tanking dramas had little effect on his summer program.

IMO if Neeld the so-called teacher could not harness this group after the passing of one of the club greats, Then [censored] me!

Instead, the players are performing worse than 2012 and the football department is a total shambles.

This list is weak in mind and ability to perform on the big stage. Neeld is showing no ability on match day to improve performance and supporters are on the brink of giving up. It's serious stuff, it's urgent stuff.