Time to go Mark Neeld

[robbiefrom13 892]

Yes - but it's a qualified yes. Neeld is a big part of the problem, but I'm not convinced he'd be a failure as a coach at a club that wasn't completely dysfunctional. I have some hope that the work he's done may bare fruit for whoever the next coach / admin may be. But for whatever reasons the Neeld plan hit an iceburg, and I can't see how we can come back from that without major change.

Almost thirty years ago it became a given in education that the teacher must find the way to successfully educate every student who comes into their class. This was not a welcome message for a lot of teachers, who felt entitled to have only the "best" classes, and only the "best" students in those classes. Has anybody ever been in a class where the teacher really only aimed at the "top" students? Or who bullied the ones who were not already succeeding? Ever experienced a teacher who used sarcasm and belittling?

If you are only any good with students who barely need a teacher, you are no teacher.

I'm interested to see what a coach who is good with young players struggling for confidence can do with our players. There are such coaches. I hope we get one of them. That's my hope.

Edited June 15, 2013 by robbiefrom13

[diceman 2]

The probablem is that we let GL choose the bloody coach again even though he chose DB.

Thought we could have learnt from our mistake the first time but I think it will be third time lucky TBF.

Fourth time. Lyon helped choose Rohdey for the Bulldogs in 2002.

He may have even bullied Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as chancellor of Germany in '33.

Edited June 15, 2013 by diceman

[robbiefrom13 892]

Fourth time. Lyon helped choose Rohdey for the Bulldogs in 2002.

He may have even bullied Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as chancellor of Germany in '33.

some of the fans are still supporting his choices...

[P-man 13,366]

I have it on good authority that Neeld will be gone within the fortnight.

A fortnight? So potentially right after we play the Dogs and the Saints, two games in which we have a remote chance of being competitive. Are they really going to give him the sack if we put in decent showings against those sides? Of all the times to do it, that would be an odd choice. That said, if we get smashed by those sides, that puts the issue beyond any doubt, surely.

Nothing against you personally, but I'm pretty sick of these "Sack Watch" predictions coming from all corners. They've clearly all been wrong thus far. Even as someone who wants to see him go, this whole thing has taken on a morbid quality which I don't like.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

He made it worse

Not sure I agree with that.

For instance, barring injury, we will have a bullet proof forward line next year. In 2011, I don't think our forward line was even VFL standard.

The midfield was ordinary in 2011. It still is. There are some green shoots there though - a much improved Nathan Jones (under Neeld) and Viney, Kent, Matt Jones and Toumpas all look to be solid mids going forward. Losing Moloney wreaks of poor management though.

In some respects our backline has never quite recovered since we lost Wellman as the backline coach, but I think Garland's improved under Neeld and that our backline is fundamentally sound. Terlich has been a good find - we still need another good running half bank flanker (like Pearce Hanley), but I don't think our backline any worse now than it was in 2011. Losing Rivers was a mistake though, as was recruiting Gillies IMO.

Overall though, I can't see how our list is worse now compared to 2011.

[DemonOX 8,800]

Fourth time. Lyon helped choose Rohdey for the Bulldogs in 2002.

Shite I had no idea dicey.

Thanks for the info

Edited June 15, 2013 by DemonOX

[DemonOX 8,800]

No, wish I did. That is info I was told, same person told me Greg Wells will be President. He wouldn't tell me the person they are speaking to re: coaching position. Time will tell if he is on the money.

Source: ex player.

Did he say if its an experienced one at least????

[DemonOX 8,800]

Garry getting it wrong hurts a bit. But it happens. I understand that even best practice recruiting gets it wrong. What hurts is how quickly he threw his arms up and distanced himself from the whole deal. That was a real rats leaving the ship moment. He could have admitted he screwed it up and I would have forgiven him in a heartbeat, but the game isn't like that, and hasn't been for a couple of years. How do we fix that when the big boys cut and run, or blame others, at the first sign of trouble?

I used to have so much respect for GL, that was until he hired two dud coaches ( three if I include the dogs) and then runs a mile when it goes pear shape. I'm not to blame it wasn't me I was just helping out.

I can not stand the guy(& i am being polite) due to recent events and am unable to watch any of his shows (not that that is a bad thing) or listen to his commentary

To me he is not a part of the solution and therefore irrelevant.

One thing though i bet he will have TIME when the dees start to win and play finals. Funny that.

Edited June 15, 2013 by DemonOX

[titan_uranus 25,043]

A fortnight? So potentially right after we play the Dogs and the Saints, two games in which we have a remote chance of being competitive. Are they really going to give him the sack if we put in decent showings against those sides? Of all the times to do it, that would be an odd choice. That said, if we get smashed by those sides, that puts the issue beyond any doubt, surely.

Nothing against you personally, but I'm pretty sick of these "Sack Watch" predictions coming from all corners. They've clearly all been wrong thus far. Even as someone who wants to see him go, this whole thing has taken on a morbid quality which I don't like.

I agree.

Wherever this rumour of 'he's gone within the month' started (Caro?), it's completely ridiculous and beggars belief.

If they want to sack him before the end of the season, why wait? They will not have said 'after the next two games he's gone'.

What may have happened, though, is that there may have been a decision along the lines of 'if we're not competitive against St Kilda and WB, then we're sacking him after the WB game'. Which would make a lot more sense than having made a decision already.

If we're as bad against St Kilda and WB as we were against Freo/Hawthorn/Collingwood, that would suggest Neeld is gone no matter what; those two clubs are not very good and no side should be beaten badly by them, especially since we have both games at the MCG, where neither side is any good. If we can muster up two competitive performances, Neeld will surely buy himself the time to see out the rest of the year - if we can compete with WB and St Kilda, then we can compete with GWS, Brisbane and WB (again), which is enough to get us to the end of the year.

[Hardnut 327]

MFC cannot afford to keep MN much longer because MFC runs the risk of both losing good players and not attracting good players at the end of the year, if they keep MN - it's fairly simple really!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Overall though, I can't see how our list is worse now compared to 2011.

for the big names like Clark and Dawes that have been added,N Jones aside, few others on the list in 2011 and still there have gone backwards or at best stagnated. thats where we are worse.

[Grimes is Great 183]

Did he say if its an experienced one at least????

Gave me nothing, sworn to silence, I pestered him all night to.

[Hardnut 327]

At the end of 2011, start of 2012, the MFC list had a lot of young potential combined with some good experienced players - the current list has suffered through the loss of some good players and the dubious recruitment of replacements - MN and Co. have a lot to answer for and their day of reckoning is fast approaching!

[Adam The God 30,407]

I have a gut feeling they'll go with Gary ayres.

God, I hope not. What a monumentally horrid decision that would be. He's a fricken VFL coach who could never get it done at AFL level. I'd prefer Craig to Ayres. At least he's coached at AFL level in the past five years. That would be a non-sensical appointment.

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

Ayres will get the mases through the turnstiles...

And the players up and about...

[Hardnut 327]

God, I hope not. What a monumentally horrid decision that would be. He's a fricken VFL coach who could never get it done at AFL level. I'd prefer Craig to Ayres. At least he's coached at AFL level in the past five years. That would be a non-sensical appointment.

IMO neither Craig nor Ayres would be suitable and neither would even be considered given the current situation and who is actually controlling the future of MFC.

[tonatopia 278]

Really, if Leigh Matthews is interested, we do not need to look elsewhere.

He is the one. A real culture changer and premiersip winner.

He defined the playing attitude with the hawks.

He won collingwoods long awaited premiership with an avg team.

He turned Brisbane into arguably the greatest team in the modern era.

And best of all, he is smart enough to know when his time is up.

Let's get him. All he does is study footy. He is fresh and might really cherish opportunity.

[What 18,810]

Really, if Leigh Matthews is interested, we do not need to look elsewhere.

Exactly.

Thats as far as we need to go.

Get Lethal if hes interested, there nothing else to say.

[DemonOX 8,800]

IMO neither Craig nor Ayres would be suitable and neither would even be considered given the current situation and who is actually controlling the future of MFC.

Surely it wouldn't be Knights.

Fark I hope not.

[Adam The God 30,407]

No, we should actually canvass a number of candidates this time. Not just one or two. We have to hear what a number of potential coaches might provide our list. I'd be pushing really strongly for two or three though. Thoughtful and considered. Hardnut is right. I think the AFL will ensure we get the best coach available.

[DemonOX 8,800]

No, we should actually canvass a number of candidates this time. Not just one or two. We have to hear what a number of potential coaches might provide our list. I'd be pushing really strongly for two or three though. Thoughtful and considered. Hardnut is right. I think the AFL will ensure we get the best coach available.

Is Roos a realistic chance do you think or pie in the sky stuff?

[rjay 25,087]

Gave me nothing, sworn to silence, I pestered him all night to.

It's Eade.

[tonatopia 278]

It's Eade.

Dear god, another wasted decade.

Have they even tried calling Matthews, Roos or choco?

If the mfc fcuk this one up, I will soooooo lose interest in the place.

We can't be that friggin stupid to fcuk it up 3 timed in a row!!!

Eade, what a boring, uninspired decision. God I hope your wrong.

[What 18,810]

Dear god, another wasted decade.

Have they even tried calling Matthews, Roos or choco?

If the mfc fcuk this one up, I will soooooo lose interest in the place.

We can't be that friggin stupid to fcuk it up 3 timed in a row!!!

Eade, what a boring, uninspired decision. God I hope your wrong.

what exactly would be bad about Rodney Eade coaching us?

[Hardnut 327]

I am not in the business of speculating - I believe it will be a very considered decision by the powers concerned - there is no room for error anymore.