I hold no bitterness about Liam. A lot of underlying issues that we wouldnt understand and like some I'm willing to be a bigger man and move on.

All I can say is what a shame.

Won't help his current case, will have a criminal record, won't play another game of AFL and with his current attitude won't go far in VFL.

The world was in his hands and he threw it all away.

Wel there is one bright spot in this.

He is no longer a Melbourne player.

You beat my by 15 minutes Bbo.

Whats the bet tomorrows headline is

"Former Melbourne Player .............

He won't play another AFL game, and he didn't play for anyone after us, so it will always be "former Demon" or "former tanker", maybe even "former friend of Cameron Schwab..."

i might get kicked for this , but its ok , i was a big liam fan , loved his work , bloody great , and donated cash to the thing , blah blah , but i think us supporters and MFC have learned a big lesson here , ah this is scary , but press on , is it partly our fault ? i mean really you find some dude up the back of bum f#$k who can mark a footy and have good pace etc , and drag them outta there to the big smoke and expect it to be all good , ffs the dude coulnt even speak english , and never seen a beach its just silly now to think back on all of that , i dont givva if hes black ,green , yellow , or whatever , i hope we never go down that track again , maybe look at ireland , but even that might be a worry , DONT EVEN GO THERE WITH REPLIES , sean and jimmy were heroes , ps i hope the fool get whats coming , ok

Well, I think we can safely say that the only club that will touch him now is Collingwood.

Well, I think we can safely say that the only club that will touch him now is Collingwood.

i was thinking gws too, sheedy would love the theatre of the challenge and the opportunity to stick it to us

but the afl would never let its love-spawn do it

So sad when people lose control of their lives. A few years ago LJ was one of football's feel good stories; how much has that changed.

As for the rubbish being written in this post. Condemn the act but please lets have some compassion for the person. Is Liam dealing with the difficulties in his life badly? No doubt. But few of us can comprehend the extent of the challenges he has faced and many would struggle cope just as much.

It's never too late to turn it around Liam. All the best.

So sad when people lose control of their lives. A few years ago LJ was one of football's feel good stories; how much has that changed.

As for the rubbish being written in this post. Condemn the act but please lets have some compassion for the person. Is Liam dealing with the difficulties in his life badly? No doubt. But few of us can comprehend the extent of the challenges he has faced and many would struggle cope just as much.

It's never too late to turn it around Liam. All the best.

your right mate. How quick things change.

Sadly i knew they would when he went back home for that weekend.

i might get kicked for this , but its ok , i was a big liam fan , loved his work , bloody great , and donated cash to the thing , blah blah , but i think us supporters and MFC have learned a big lesson here , ah this is scary , but press on , is it partly our fault ? i mean really you find some dude up the back of bum f#$k who can mark a footy and have good pace etc , and drag them outta there to the big smoke and expect it to be all good , ffs the dude coulnt even speak english , and never seen a beach its just silly now to think back on all of that , i dont givva if hes black ,green , yellow , or whatever , i hope we never go down that track again , maybe look at ireland , but even that might be a worry , DONT EVEN GO THERE WITH REPLIES , sean and jimmy were heroes , ps i hope the fool get whats coming , ok

I fail to see why someone not being able to speak english, nor seen a beach, nor being from "bum f#$K" means they're going to drink and drive? Plenty of beach going, english speaking, city folk have done the same thing...

We could say we were lucky that he reserved his majic moments for us. A shooting star if there ever was. No one quite like him before and perhaps never after. Was like a wet dream that could never come true. And we are the eternal dreamers.

He needs the structure we gave him (or that any AFL club would).

The turps was a big factor in him getting into strife in Alice, too.

Without the conflict in his community he could have been anything.

Sad waste.

So sad when people lose control of their lives. A few years ago LJ was one of football's feel good stories; how much has that changed.

As for the rubbish being written in this post. Condemn the act but please lets have some compassion for the person. Is Liam dealing with the difficulties in his life badly? No doubt. But few of us can comprehend the extent of the challenges he has faced and many would struggle cope just as much.

It's never too late to turn it around Liam. All the best.

Thank you Wise. I was wondering if anyone would behave like a fully functioning member of the human race during this thread and you have.

Crap like this is one reason why I go on the 'Land sometimes and shake my head. The amount of vitriol that is thrown about here is amazing. This is a situation with no winners and it seems some people are more than happy to dance on the grave of a desperate and troubled young man. Walk a mile in his shoes before you start running off at the mouth. The act was irresponsible but keep in mind what that community is going through before you belch out your digital diarrhea.

I fail to see why someone not being able to speak english, nor seen a beach, nor being from "bum f#$K" means they're going to drink and drive? Plenty of beach going, english speaking, city folk have done the same thing...

you cant understand that i was suggesting you cant drag someone out of the stone age and just plonk them in a new strange place , and expect it to be all good , ah i give up ,

This might sound strange, but I really feel for the guy. He's the first player from his civilization, which is borderline ancient, to play AFL and he's tried to combine two alien worlds. He was lauded as a tribal leader on "men's business", but at the same time was beholden to his own tribal laws (moreso), which in part is why he's in the mess he's in, as laws such as payback for an initiated man mean much more than our "modern laws" and civil expectations. It's impossible to judge Jurrah from the cornerstone of the lives we lead.

It's too complex for me, but I feel compelled not to judge a guy whose world has caved in around him. And as much as most will lay the blame at his feet, he's in unusual circumstances and much of it has been out of his control. I expect arguments on the last sentence and I'm usually the first to state that every man is the architect of his own destiny, but I readily accept that Jurrah's circumstances can't be understood by 99% of those reading this forum.

you cant understand that i was suggesting you cant drag someone out of the stone age and just plonk them in a new strange place , and expect it to be all good , ah i give up ,

I don't think they just "plonked" him in the city and told him to fend for himself mate.

Thank you Wise. I was wondering if anyone would behave like a fully functioning member of the human race during this thread and you have.

Crap like this is one reason why I go on the 'Land sometimes and shake my head. The amount of vitriol that is thrown about here is amazing. This is a situation with no winners and it seems some people are more than happy to dance on the grave of a desperate and troubled young man. Walk a mile in his shoes before you start running off at the mouth. The act was irresponsible but keep in mind what that community is going through before you belch out your digital diarrhea.

how about leaving the sob story bit aside and give a good swift kick up the clacker , so to speak !

Ben Hur has learnt compassion and empathy.

I agree entirely .

It's his choice to leave the Club

It's his life to p!ss up if he chooses .

Still sad to watch but at least he showed some magic that we may never have seen if we didn't give him a go.

Nobody died so its not yet a tragedy .

He didn't kill anyone either.

Yet.

ffs the dude coulnt even speak english

awesome point, especially , coming , from , someone , who , writes , like , this

awesome point, especially , coming , from , someone , who , writes , like , this

pfft....

Barn Dee has his own dialect.

Walk a mile in his shoes before you start running off at the mouth. The act was irresponsible but keep in mind what that community is going through before you belch out your digital diarrhea.

Bollocks. Is he a man or a child? Is he responsible for his own actions or not? And how do the problems in his community absolve him from obeying the law or even maybe just having a bit of decency about how he left the club?

Oh he had us fooled well and good. All this noble warrior persona and how he was on a mission for the tribe and stuff like that turned out to be so much rubbish. He's just another selfish empty head with a drinking problem who has wasted the only talent they were given. I don't see why we shouldn't call it for exactly what it is.

I don't think they just "plonked" him in the city and told him to fend for himself mate.

i know that they did not do that , he had massive support , nice home , looked after , taken here there and everywhere , pandered after , but really dudes like you and me know how it all works , have done since little kids , yes ? but it a very big step to come to this world as a 20 year old and be expected to kinda , just fit in , , its cool bro , , aint gunna happen , and thats how it is ok , , mate !

pfft....

Barn Dee has his own dialect.

yes , i do , coz im , slow . ok . blame , my parents , im disab.led , ok ,

It makes me sad. If Jimma was still with us i bet Liam would be as well.

It makes me sad. If Jimma was still with us i bet Liam would be as well.

i doubt that big time wyl

im, very sorry sort of , not tho

i doubt that big time wyl

i don't.