Quote where I've said, or even insinuated that ? I even said that I want the club to "fight likes there's no tomorrow".

But I don't bleat and scream like a little girl that we're being victimised. I appreciate that you wouldn't know the difference.

bleating & screaming?

No shallow one i am looking at this issue objectively.

The larger picture of what todays AFL really wants.

You may want the club to fight like there is no tomorrow, but ultimately you will roll over when the price is to your liking.

I would not count on you in the trenches when the heat ramps up.

Your knack of being rude at the end of each post is quite humorous.

Get of ya soap box Ben. Your poo smells just the same as mine.

Quote where I've said, or even insinuated that ? I even said that I want the club to "fight likes there's no tomorrow".

But I don't bleat and scream like a little girl that we're being victimised. I appreciate that you wouldn't know the difference.

Again with the Straw BH !! Your assertion counter must by definition ally the orator with this idea, i.e of being a victim. It's a nonsense and you know very well it's so.

Its not being a victim to stand back and analyse a situation and call foul. Sometimes there are fouls and its not the fault of the recipient and neither is it un-realistic for said recipient to cry foul. It is what it is. This is an attack on what some see as an easy target. many a general hve come unstuck underestimating their adversary or unwittingly realising that the target will see no recourse other than a fight. After the tables are turrned it can be too late.

i sense AD is wary of this and seeks a non-result thus mitigating any fall out to whomever, especialy himself.

We arent vicitms per se...we're targets

Read the piece from the Sun this morning. Very boring article and just repeated the same crap thats been said before. Probably wont find out anything until we answer the so called evidence that has been brought against us.

You may want the club to fight like there is no tomorrow, but ultimately you will roll over when the price is to your liking.

Because I understand why we're being investigated ? Because I understand why other clubs presently aren't ? You wrap those two bits of information together and come up with the above theory ? Or maybe it's because I believe that sanctions against individuals are preferable to sanctions directly against the club. Whatever the AFL decide, I want the club to exhaust all avenues of defence, because I believe that they can't categorically prove we manipulated results as long as Bailey denies any wrongdoing.

Now that I've cleared that up - seriously mate, you're the thickest poster I've ever encountered. You are so dumb I don't know how you walk and breathe at the same time. And no, I'm not being rude.

why you little, you are not actually arguing against what Ben-Hur is saying. He is simply pointing out why things are happening, not what he thinks should be happening.

I can't believe I keep looking at this thread. Surely we need to introduce a maximum post per day limit?

Because I understand why we're being investigated ? Because I understand why other clubs presently aren't ? You wrap those two bits of information together and come up with the above theory ? Or maybe it's because I believe that sanctions against individuals are preferable to sanctions directly against the club. Whatever the AFL decide, I want the club to exhaust all avenues of defence, because I believe that they can't categorically prove we manipulated results as long as Bailey denies any wrongdoing.

Now that I've cleared that up - seriously mate, you're the thickest poster I've ever encountered. You are so dumb I don't know how you walk and breathe at the same time. And no, I'm not being rude.

Yes....I'm afraid you are.....Because other people don't get what you are attempting to say does not mean you can berate them and call them dumb........It just demeans yourself......

why you little, you are not actually arguing against what Ben-Hur is saying. He is simply pointing out why things are happening, not what he thinks should be happening.

I can't believe I keep looking at this thread. Surely we need to introduce a maximum post per day limit?

I don't think BH's and other posters, including myself, are all that far apart on all this. One man's "playing the victim" is another man's "fighting back".

But it would reduce the temperature and the number of posts if BH didn't insult others in a lot of his posts. If he defends his last para in #854 as some sort of ironic joke, he needs to think again. If he means it, he has been reading too many articles by Bolt.

You really want this club to go down don't you Ben. Deep down in the Bowels of your soul you have your fingers crossed.

At least you are honest....i think.

I've questioned your intellect for sometime now and being a person of generous disposition I've given you the benefit of the doubt. But this takes the cake and places you in the very bottom of the normal distribution.

Ben is a bloke who goes to every training session, he posts positive stuff all the time, he defends those in the club against criticism that he supports, he goes to every game and he shows a knowledge of the game you'll never have. And just because he holds a view that doesn't fit with the victim mentality that so many on this board have you say he wants the club to go down.

I say I don't think Schwab is as good as we can do and that I like Caro because she provides information and I'm treated the same way without anyone knowing what I do or have done for the club. Any opinion on here that doesn't go with the victim mentality, the free handout and the unfairly treated groupthink and suddenly you're an agenda driven poster.

I want this club to act in a way on and off the field that demands the respect of the football world. The sad fact of the matter is we have been riddled with drama's and disasters, some of our making and some we couldn't control, which means we are the joke of the footy world. Reality says we are being investigated for tanking and all people here want to do is say 'but it's not fair, what about Carlton". Well, welcome to the real world. Let's just deal with where we are and move forward and work to getting some respect in this competition.

The only way to regain respect is to win, as soon as that starts happening the stigma will vanish, eg, KANGAROOS.

The only way to regain respect is to win, as soon as that starts happening the stigma will vanish, eg, KANGAROOS.

I just happen to think its just as relevant and important to win the off field battles as well. it goes to the whole.

Just ask Eddie !!

Reality says we are being investigated for tanking and all people here want to do is say 'but it's not fair, what about Carlton". Well, welcome to the real world. Let's just deal with where we are and move forward and work to getting some respect in this competition.

Some of us believe that part of 'dealing with it and moving forward' is to use the fact that it is we are not being treated fairly to our advantage. That is not 'playing the victim'. Standing up to this is important in winning respect. Winning games would also help!

I just happen to think its just as relevant and important to win the off field battles as well. it goes to the whole.

Just ask Eddie !!

Yes i couldnt agree more, some of our supporters must be sick of the off field battles, Energy Watch, Liam and the Tanking crap,i just hope we win a few games this year.

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Bing I live in Perth with those Dogs and I am in my 40's, to me they will forever be known as Meth Coast

Edited January 7, 201312 yr by Pennant St Dee

answer the question i put to you.

Nice dodging so far mjt.

You have only surfaced here in the last couple of months unless of course you are using an alias.

My alias is Why You Dribble, lol

Exactly,

Libba was advised to STFU if he knew what was was good for 'im.

I was expecting Mclean to get the same but .... No.

Dale Lewis was the swans player who was told to keep his mouth shut in regards to the player drug use.

and thats what makes it very interesting,,,, along with his contract renewal & his apparent elevation as the team spokesman re Judd captaincy no less.

he must have that go-ahead of the clubs hierarchy?

I've questioned your intellect for sometime now and being a person of generous disposition I've given you the benefit of the doubt. But this takes the cake and places you in the very bottom of the normal distribution.

Ben is a bloke who goes to every training session, he posts positive stuff all the time, he defends those in the club against criticism that he supports, he goes to every game and he shows a knowledge of the game you'll never have. And just because he holds a view that doesn't fit with the victim mentality that so many on this board have you say he wants the club to go down.

I say I don't think Schwab is as good as we can do and that I like Caro because she provides information and I'm treated the same way without anyone knowing what I do or have done for the club. Any opinion on here that doesn't go with the victim mentality, the free handout and the unfairly treated groupthink and suddenly you're an agenda driven poster.

I want this club to act in a way on and off the field that demands the respect of the football world. The sad fact of the matter is we have been riddled with drama's and disasters, some of our making and some we couldn't control, which means we are the joke of the footy world. Reality says we are being investigated for tanking and all people here want to do is say 'but it's not fair, what about Carlton". Well, welcome to the real world. Let's just deal with where we are and move forward and work to getting some respect in this competition.

Knew you would be back soon Fan, just finished another cross examination from the AFL investigators have we..

I do not mind what you think of me Fan,,,Personally i think it is very ordinary that you are a moderator on this site, but that is for another day.

I have no problem with the MFC being investigated per se, but i think it is disgraceful others have been given the Gold Pass to caqrry on when there crimes were worse.

I am not crying nor should the MFC...I am angry. The MFC is expendable in the eyes of the AFL, others are not.

The amount of times Benny goes to training is irrelevent btw.

Edited January 7, 201312 yr by why you little

We wrote the original rules.

I think we as a club should be hired as the major paid consultant.

to Re write the rules so that none of this BS could ever raise it's head again.

The new rules would be all encompassing including drafting, umpiring, playing rules, GF entertainment etc..

Hang on isn't that what the AFL is commissioned for.

I just can't believe the amount of stuff ups in the last 10+ years by this wonderful overpaid commission.

My alias is Why You Dribble, lol

.Has that taken you all day to think of?

Glad you can laugh at such Top Shelf Humour...

why you little, you are not actually arguing against what Ben-Hur is saying. He is simply pointing out why things are happening, not what he thinks should be happening.

I can't believe I keep looking at this thread. Surely we need to introduce a maximum post per day limit?

No. Ben is telling me what is happening...which i already know.

I am saying it is being run as a sham that could have been stopped.

Large difference.

If you don't wish to read the post. Don't

Turn it off.

I just happen to think its just as relevant and important to win the off field battles as well. it goes to the whole.

Just ask Eddie !!

This is what irked me about the Neeld-Mifsud episode.

Neeld was exhonerated & that was the end of it.

I just felt that it was never finished. It should have been pursued to the point of a full apology to all parties.

We are seen as an easy mark & it goes a long way in explaining why we are pursued and others not.

I don't call this a victim mentality when it is so obvious that we are being singled out on this issue.

We need to fight any adverse finding & show that we are not prepared to be the whipping-boy at someones whim.

I do not mind what you think of me Fan,,,Personally i think it is very ordinary that you are a moderator on this site, but that is for another day.

You are so stupid it's mindboggling.

You are so stupid it's mindboggling.

Is it true you are a moderator? (A genuine question, but if the answer is yes, then you can take it as a criticism.)

You are so stupid it's mindboggling.

Do elaborate why not...i am all ears.

You are so stupid it's mindboggling.

you shouldn't post fan when your mind is boggled - LOL

You are so stupid it's mindboggling.

You are being childish.....my grandchildren know better than you........I don't mind your posts as they give a different view on things but to resort to this rubbish posted above is petty,boorish,and frankly beneath childish....Grow up.....