- Captain

- Number 2 draft pick

- 4th season

- Injury free

- *MUST FIND ANOTHER GEAR*

It will be interesting to see if he has one ( another gear that is ).

I actually think that with more experienced players in the team in 2013 and less injuries he may not be a fixture in the side.

Hopefully he will improve because IMO he did not deserve a lot of the games he got in 2012

Huge confidence that jacky trengove will one day be a gun, don't think he will reach his peak next year but I reckon he will show why he was selected as the youngest captain ever with a few standout games/quarters.

Huge confidence that jacky trengove will one day be a gun, don't think he will reach his peak next year but I reckon he will show why he was selected as the youngest captain ever with a few standout games/quarters.

Chances are you and the FD are right FG

From my spot in the outer I thought he was not much better than average in 2012 but then he had a large number of mates.

I guess it pays to remember he is just 21,

Seems to be running better at training and has lost some weight, just needs a few extra yards of pace...skill and courage are there in spades.

He was probably regarded as ineffectual in an offensive sense by outsiders last year & some supporters. It was mentioned a couple of times during the 2012 season by Neeld that Trengove was leading the club in many performance indicators inside the FD. I'm not sure why he wasn't moving as well last year but I would have thought it was OP or some sort of injury that he played through. I'm still hoping to see big things from Trengove. In the coming years if he stays injury free he could consistently average above 20 disposals a game. I'm basing that judgement off his early form at the club where he did have quite a few high disposal games for an 18-19 year old.

Chances are you and the FD are right FG

From my spot in the outer I thought he was not much better than average in 2012 but then he had a large number of mates.

I guess it pays to remember he is just 21,

There are a lot of highly rated 21yo's (and under) well ahead of him OldDee. Gaff, Swallow, Martin, Redden,Sidebottom, Fyfe, Greene, Atley, Hannebery, plus a few others ... are all players well ahead of Trengove in terms of their output and development so far.

It's a concern. We should be seeing a player comfortably sitting among that group.

Edited November 27, 201212 yr by NoMoreMrNiceGuy

He was probably regarded as ineffectual in an offensive sense by outsiders last year & some supporters. It was mentioned a couple of times during the 2012 season by Neeld that Trengove was leading the club in many performance indicators inside the FD. I'm not sure why he wasn't moving as well last year but I would have thought it was OP or some sort of injury that he played through. I'm still hoping to see big things from Trengove. In the coming years if he stays injury free he could consistently average above 20 disposals a game. I'm basing that judgement off his early form at the club where he did have quite a few high disposal games for an 18-19 year old.

Regarding his early high disposal games, I'd more put that down to the opposition paying scant attention to a first year player. Two years on, why have his numbers dropped?

There is no evidence the player had or has OP.

There are a lot of highly rated 21yo's (and under) well ahead of him OldDee. Gaff, Swallow, Martin, Redden,Sidebottom, Fyfe, Greene, Atley, Hannebery, plus a few others ... are all players well ahead of Trengove in terms of their output and development so far.

It's a concern. We should be seeing a player comfortably sitting among that group.

I think we have to cut him a little slack

Just about all the players you mention play in reasonable or good teams where they do not have to win games off there own boot.

I suspect in a average to Good side he would be doing a lot better.

It will be interesting to see if he has one ( another gear that is ).

I actually think that with more experienced players in the team in 2013 and less injuries he may not be a fixture in the side.

Hopefully he will improve because IMO he did not deserve a lot of the games he got in 2012

yeah i dont think thats right at all. His KPI's suggest that he got bettar as the year went on and did everything the club asked him to do. He will be a permanent part of our side for a long time.

Doesn't drink or smoke enough

yeah i dont think thats right at all. His KPI's suggest that he got bettar as the year went on and did everything the club asked him to do. He will be a permanent part of our side for a long time.

That could mean one of two things

- He will improve as the Dees rise

-or he will remain the best of a bad lot.

Hope it is the first

ol Jackie boy was forced into a sort of containment role in 12 and performed quite well i thought in a non glamorous way.

Given a much greater degree of support i wouldnt be surprised to see him come out and play with more flair and aplomb. He's a good thinker and reader of play.

Should be a much better season for Trenners in 13.

and...he's got class and style to his game

It will be interesting to see if he has one ( another gear that is ).

I actually think that with more experienced players in the team in 2013 and less injuries he may not be a fixture in the side.

Hopefully he will improve because IMO he did not deserve a lot of the games he got in 2012

When fit, he is one of the first names on the team sheet. He is a fixture in the side and will be for quite some time.

He might not have been the attacking weapon in 2012 that some wanted but I was happy with his performance and I am confident that he will continue to grow and develop.

When you compare him to the other players on our list in the same age bracket, he is easily at the front of the pack.

He was down last year but who does OD think was playing at Casey?

Gifted games my arse.

He fought hard and competed and when he gets his spread back and a little pace you watch him become Lenny Hayes-like.

Two years on, why have his numbers dropped?

There is no evidence the player had or has OP.

From memory of your most recent incarnation you ask questions, but never acknowledge any of the answers, so I'm not sure why you enquire in the first place.

Trengove's role changed last year as he was taught a far more defensive game and definitely lost some speed. He stopped hunting the ball as much while he was defending an opponent, but he's had a year to understand his game better, he'll benefit from being part of a fitter and stronger group, he's trimmed down in my eyes and is definitely running better. He'll also benefit from Viney, Toumpas and Rodan.

The following is his bio by Matt Burgan pre-draft 2009:

2 - MELBOURNE - Jack Trengove

DOB: 02/09/91, Height: 185cm, Weight: 82kg

Recruited from: Kybybolite/Sturt (SA)

Draft range: 1-2

Meet Jack Trengove

Although he will be taken at two, Trengove's exceptional performances in the SANFL senior finals showed he is equally deserving of the No.1 tag. In the preliminary final against Glenelg, he was best on ground with 29 disposals. Finals prevented Trengove from attending the NAB AFL Draft Camp, but he followed up at the South Australian state screening with an outstanding beep test: level 15.3. Likened to Collingwood great Nathan Buckley, Trengove has excellent speed, endurance and leadership. He can also play midfield, forward or back.

You'll note that speed wasn't an issue when he was a junior.

I agree that he's super important and needs to become A grade. He needs to become our Trent Cotchin. That's why he was drafted. Interestingly, after his third year Cotchin averaged 18 disposals and after his third year Trengove has averaged 19.

This is a big year for Trengove and I think he'll take a giant stride.

Loads of punters on here were riding Jones off a couple of years ago as being too slow and one dimensional.......not sure where these op are now.

The kid will be allright

Regarding his early high disposal games, I'd more put that down to the opposition paying scant attention to a first year player. Two years on, why have his numbers dropped?

There is no evidence the player had or has OP.

That's why when I wrote the post I said I was not sure, it is merely a speculative comment. I would assume the way he was running & also kicking last year there was some sort of injury.

There are a lot of highly rated 21yo's (and under) well ahead of him OldDee. Gaff, Swallow, Martin, Redden,Sidebottom, Fyfe, Greene, Atley, Hannebery, plus a few others ... are all players well ahead of Trengove in terms of their output and development so far.

It's a concern. We should be seeing a player comfortably sitting among that group.

I wouldn't have thought so, lets judge it at the end of his career. Stalled a bit last season but fair chance he was carrying injury. By the way Trengove sits comfortably with the names you mention if you compare first seasons and which one of those guys is captain of their club?

He was down last year but who does OD think was playing at Casey?

Gifted games my arse.

He fought hard and competed and when he gets his spread back and a little pace you watch him become Lenny Hayes-like.

Prefer not to think about your arse rpfc.

Seriously that is your opinion I have a different view.

I thought he had a number of ordinary games in 2012.

The fact there was no one at Casey to replace him supports my view.

I hope your right, we will see in the year ahead

Edited November 27, 201212 yr by old dee

Prefer not to think about your arse rpfc.

Seriously that is your opinion I have a different view.

I thought he had a number of ordinary games in 2012.

The fact there was no one to replace supports my view.

I hope you right, we will see in the year ahead

How someone can be given games gifted to them without a suitable replacement baffles me...

Unless you think we should run out there with the 10 in form (if that) blokes we do have?

While Trengove didn't have a great year can I point out a few stats.

199 kicks (6th at Melbourne)

190 handballs (2nd at Melbourne)

88 marks (7th at Melbourne)

99 tackles (2nd at Melbourne)

8 goals (12th at Melbourne)

To me these stats suggest they worked on his inside game and his pace wasn't an area of focus. (2nd handballs, 2nd tackles)

Remember he is a 3rd year player in one of the worst clubs in the league. With better players around him his stats would improve and there's nothing to suggest his natural progression won't continue. As Melbourne improve so will Jack

Lets compare his stats to Dustin Martin, the very next pick in the draft. Keep in mind he is rated highly and currently plays in a more successful side

257 kicks (6th at Richmond - 58 more than JT)

190 handballs (6th at Richmond - 9 less than JT)

63 marks (16th at Richmond - 25 less than JT)

60 tackles (7th at Richmond - 39 less than JT)

23 goals (4th at Richmond - 15 more than JT)

JT's stats are comparable with arguable the highest rated player from this draft. While he may have 'looked slow' at times during 2012, he was by no stretch being left behind by his teammates.

Comments above that Trengove is likely to be on the outer in years to come are laughable. He will continue to be one of the first picked for the next 10 years

Edited November 27, 201212 yr by robbo24

Trengove may be quick over 100 or even 20 metres, but where he needs to improve is over the first five metres. No point having a quick top speed if you are always getting caught before you reach it.

How someone can be given games gifted to them without a suitable replacement baffles me...

Unless you think we should run out there with the 10 in form (if that) blokes we do have?

Let your anger subside a little rpfc

I agree with you there was no one to replace him that is my point.

If he displayed the same form at Hawthorn would he have played all the games he did?

There are a lot of highly rated 21yo's (and under) well ahead of him OldDee. Gaff, Swallow, Martin, Redden,Sidebottom, Fyfe, Greene, Atley, Hannebery, plus a few others ... are all players well ahead of Trengove in terms of their output and development so far.

It's a concern. We should be seeing a player comfortably sitting among that group.

A oft overlooked factor when assessing a young mid is who are the other/better midfielders around him?

Many in the list you gave of 21 yr olds that JT should be besting serve in midfields where they are playing as the 4th best midfielder or further out in the pecking order. The higher you play in the pecking order the more attention you recieve from oppositions. For example Sidebottom would have Swan, Pendles, Ball, etcc in front of him. Sidebottom is probably 5th or 6th in the pecking order, and it's easier to perform better with less opposition pressure...

Jack regularly played as our 3rd best mid (after Jones and Grimes) and performed well.