Zeroing in is definitely how you become premiers

Yeah, I agree. We look like ending up using 73 and 74 on Rookie Elevations which means the Pedersen and Martin deals are measurably worse: Martin for 53 and Gysberts and 63 for Pedersen.

Agree totally - crap negotiation skills on both these deals IMHO.

I hope to be proven wrong but 13 also seems over the odds for Barry, but they know more than me

The Barry deal was the sliding of pick 13 to pick 20 (which we then used to trade for Dawes), assuming you accept pick 3 for Hogan.

Not a bad deal, and hard to break into parts as was bundled with Hogan for pick 3...

Agree totally - crap negotiation skills on both these deals IMHO.

I hope to be proven wrong but 13 also seems over the odds for Barry, but they know more than me

The Barry deal was the sliding of pick 13 to pick 20 (which we then used to trade for Dawes), assuming you accept pick 3 for Hogan.

Not a bad deal, and hard to break into parts as was bundled with Hogan for pick 3...

No probs with the Hogan deal. We did that to get Viney at 27.

We got value.

Agree totally - crap negotiation skills on both these deals IMHO.

I hope to be proven wrong but 13 also seems over the odds for Barry, but they know more than me

I think people have got to realize that Neeld no longer wanted Gysberts and Martin. They targeted Pedersen mid season and got him. They targeted other specific types / players and got them all except Farren Ray. Does it matter that we only got pick 53 for Martin (whom I particularly liked) when the most important thing was to free up space.

No probs with the Hogan deal. We did that to get Viney at 27.

We got value.

On face value, whether it be Toumpas or Wines, it has been an extraordinary off season which will have a significant bearing on the 22 in Round 1 2013.

My great uncles name was Dick....

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I, like a few others would love to have Dean Towers (preferably at pick 49) because I think he will be gone soon after. Good build and multi talented sportsman.

Has only concentrated on footy for the last couple of years. I reckon at 22 has a good upside to him.

Now become picks 48 and 52 thanks to the Crows surrendering their first two picks...

I, like a few others would love to have Dean Towers (preferably at pick 49) because I think he will be gone soon after. Good build and multi talented sportsman.

Has only concentrated on footy for the last couple of years. I reckon at 22 has a good upside to him.

Think he will be gone by our pick 48.

Agree totally - crap negotiation skills on both these deals IMHO.

I hope to be proven wrong but 13 also seems over the odds for Barry, but they know more than me

You're not right about either of these, as per the posts above, but just to add ... there are North supporters think we payed too little for Pederson, and they payed too much for Gysberts.

If Andrew Boston is available i'd love to see us pick him up at 48, he has a great kick and could feature on the outside.

I'd also like us to take a punt on Emmanuel Irra. He may be seen as raw but he has amazing break away speed and a great kick. i reckon if neeld can give him time he could provide some x factor to the team.

If not, Nick Rippon could be a smokie.

I think people have got to realize that Neeld no longer wanted Gysberts and Martin. They targeted Pederson mid season and got him. They targeted other specific types / players and got them all except Farren Ray. Does it matter that we only got pick 53 for Martin (whom I particularly liked) when the most important thing was to free up space.

We still got things back in that deal we will not use - if you barter like that you will starve sooner or later...

It's no big deal, but our fire sale was just that, and clubs knew it.

Would like to see us draft Anthony Bonnadio. Purely based off his highlights video, but he could be a livewire up forward if he can make the most of his speed and defensive pressure.

Nick Rippon is a smokey as previously mentioned. Speedster who accumulates a bit of ball. Could be worth a late pick or a rookie spot.

Interested to see where Matthew Haynes falls.

Interested to see where Matthew Haynes falls.

Not so much a footballer as a terrific athlete. Would be an interesting pick up at 52 ......... but he might be a bit too much of an outside player for Neeld. Can certainly run

Not so much a footballer as a terrific athlete. Would be an interesting pick up at 52 ......... but he might be a bit too much of an outside player for Neeld. Can certainly run

With Haynes I see an Isaac Smith type who probably needs some more time to develop. As Smith has said himself, he wasn't right to be drafted at 18 but few years senior football did the trick. Is he worth picking up in the draft? I think we are in a good position to know as Viney would have the inside info.

Last year he looked like he could have been a top 10 pick this draft but has fallen back.

Could be worth a pick if he is still there at 49 or 53 or whatever the picks are now.