Jump to content

Caroline Wilson's descent into gutter journalism

Featured Replies

The only way I can see anything happening to us is if the AFL investigators have a Denis Denuto law degree.

I'm not worried, but it is annoying that it has dragged on for so long and encourages these negative articles.

The AFL integrity investigation is diminishing the integrity of the AFL.

 

The one thing that annoys me about the current administration is their reticence to get on the front foot and defend the honour of the club. Now that the article is in print and its contents are being discussed on the airwaves I want them to categorically deny that tanking ever took place and that Melbourne will vigourously defend any suggestion to the contrary. Some will say that they can't comment because it's a current investigation, or that it won't matter anyway, but they can most certainly declare the club's innocence and willingness to fight these suggestions.

I'm absolutely certain that Kennett or Maguire would be denying these suggestions and defending thie club to the hilt in the same circumstances. Get on the front foot and defend your club. And do it now.

In many ways I agree with you .But we need to be very careful before putting the AFL off-side.

There is no doubt that Eddie and Co would making all sorts of statements about legal challenges etc etc.Perhaps this just another example of a competition increasingly dominated by the power clubs? The fact is that our survival depends on the continued goodwill of the AFL - and Collingwood's does not.

I would plead guilty on the terms that we would be stripped of our Pick number 4 in the 2007 draft.

About to tear into you and then realised '2007'. Sadly 5 years too late.

 

what was Smith's stance by way of curiosity, cheers.

What did he say?

It is on the SEN podcast this morning with KB, comes in half way at about the 4 min mark. In a nutshell he believes the AFL was at fault and in denial about tanking in the competition and it would be hypocritical to take action against Melbourne. Hope the link works. Cheers.

KB is joined by Patrick Smith

thanks rjay

thats the essence. The AFL cant actually commit anyone to the sword as its a situation of their own doing and encouragement ( essentially )

They handed over guns and bullets and suggested you go "play"..


I heard two minutes of Patrick Smith in the car. The two things he said was that MFC only worked a system that the AFL themselves put in place. The other thing he said was in response to a caller and he said if the AFL went the MFC they cannot stop there and must then do the same to other clubs.

This could well go to court. The AFL set the rules. Too many grey areas.

Tanking did happen. But the AFL put their head in the sand during those years.

 

I don't think people know what "tanking" means.

it's merely a word.

The action took place.

It is on the SEN podcast this morning with KB, comes in half way at about the 4 min mark. In a nutshell he believes the AFL was at fault and in denial about tanking in the competition and it would be hypocritical to take action against Melbourne. Hope the link works. Cheers.

KB is joined by Patrick Smith

almost looks like somethings been yanked... no podcast avail ( not when I just looked )

it's merely a word.

The action took place.

But it can be used with different meanings. "Tanking" meaning to experiment with players and put others in for surgery is quite different to "tanking" meaning to deliberately lose so someone's bet is rewarded. I'm not suggesting the latter has occurred in our game but it has happened in other sports most famously with the Chicago White Sox when Arnold Rotstein bet on the outcome...and rewarded players for "tanking".

it's merely a word.

The action took place.

There is your major contradiction in one. Without defining the word then how can you can determine guilt or innocence.

Did our coaching staff put a higher price on experimentation than on winning - yes

Did the players try to lose games - no

Did the coaching staff try to lose games - ahhhh - try and prove that one

and therein lies your problem

almost looks like somethings been yanked... no podcast avail ( not when I just looked )

Just tried it 'BB' and it worked for me, maybe give it another shot.

Just tried it 'BB' and it worked for me, maybe give it another shot.

you may have some link in cache.. currently that podcast shows nothing in time length etc...it doesnt run..its empty

30-10-12

KB is joined by Patrick Smith ()

Edited by belzebub59


This is not about what we , or other clubs did that was supposedly right or wrong.. This is about a handful of "nose out of joint sh!theads" pushing a barrow.

Carro has just joined the pushers and I now no longer rate her at all. Shes ventured into revisionist perspectives to suit her cause. And worse.. shes f*#cked up facts. lol and trampled on logic !!

There is your major contradiction in one. Without defining the word then how can you can determine guilt or innocence.

Did our coaching staff put a higher price on experimentation than on winning - yes

Did the players try to lose games - no

Did the coaching staff try to lose games - ahhhh - try and prove that one

and therein lies your problem

i didn't say it could be proved. But it did happen.

A court of law would rip the AFL apart. Herein lies their problem.

I hear you but I am of the exact opposite opinion. The AFL are still saying nothing - it is the media beating the drums. Don't give it more oxygen. There is plenty of time to defend the club IF the AFL come out and start making unsavoury noises. I am still of the firm opinion that there are two factors that will make this a non event - firstly, tanking is purely subjective (unless there is something in writing or someone who was privvy to the strategy willing to say " we threw" games) for tanking to be proven there needs to evidence that we actually threw games - such a fine line between list management and tanking. Secondly, if the AFL wants to take us down then they are obIiged to go at least 4 other clubs which I am sure they are reticent to do.I am happy with the "nothing to see here - lets move on" approach.

I can see what youre saying and in a perfect world id agree but we're dealing with some knobs who wont abide by reason , logic or common sense. Thye are agenda driven, a multiplicity thereof but some congruence of efforts.

Theyre like scrub fires. These you need to step on..and step on until the fires tire.

Some might suggest instead of confronting we need to 'turn ' them but id counter they are like a rabid dog with bone, they are incessant and beyond reasonable discussion or nurturing.

Feral comes to mind lol

Schwab, McLardy and Connolly. Better start making arrangements to clear your offices.

I wonder what the recently departed former leadership group have to say about all this?

thought we were to have a break from you and what your full of ?

i didn't say it could be proved. But it did happen.

A court of law would rip the AFL apart. Herein lies their problem.

A few months ago you wanted us 'to take our punishment and get on with it' and now it can't be proved?

We didn't tank.

We experimented with players, we sent them off early for surgery, and we culled seasoned pros in an attempt to better position ourselves in the future.

The AFL know that any allegations of tanking is frought - which is why AD says that tanking is only when plaeyrs are instructed to lose.

Being instructed to experiment isn't tanking.

Being instructed to send players off for season ending surgeries isn't tanking.

Being instructed to replace Whelan, Wheatley, Brown with Martin, McNamara, and Cheney isn't tanking.

We did not tank.


Schwab, McLardy and Connolly. Better start making arrangements to clear your offices.

I wonder what the recently departed former leadership group have to say about all this?

I reckon they would say you're a troll, just like the rest of us do.

A few months ago you wanted us 'to take our punishment and get on with it' and now it can't be proved?

We didn't tank.

We experimented with players, we sent them off early for surgery, and we culled seasoned pros in an attempt to better position ourselves in the future.

The AFL know that any allegations of tanking is frought - which is why AD says that tanking is only when plaeyrs are instructed to lose.

Being instructed to experiment isn't tanking.

Being instructed to send players off for season ending surgeries isn't tanking.

Being instructed to replace Whelan, Wheatley, Brown with Martin, McNamara, and Cheney isn't tanking.

We did not tank.

Finally some friggin logic about this whole thing.

I'm glad someone understands what tanking is and isn't.

I heard two minutes of Patrick Smith in the car. The two things he said was that MFC only worked a system that the AFL themselves put in place. The other thing he said was in response to a caller and he said if the AFL went the MFC they cannot stop there and must then do the same to other clubs.

How about that. Spot on Mr Smith. I'll never entertain criticism of you again

 

The one thing that annoys me about the current administration is their reticence to get on the front foot and defend the honour of the club. Now that the article is in print and its contents are being discussed on the airwaves I want them to categorically deny that tanking ever took place and that Melbourne will vigourously defend any suggestion to the contrary. Some will say that they can't comment because it's a current investigation, or that it won't matter anyway, but they can most certainly declare the club's innocence and willingness to fight these suggestions.

I'm absolutely certain that Kennett or Maguire would be denying these suggestions and defending thie club to the hilt in the same circumstances. Get on the front foot and defend your club. And do it now.

Neither Schwab nor Mclardy should be at the club now. Connolly should walk as well. This club is still run by amateurs at the top.

If Melbourne were to cop a whack, Carlton would too. I can't see it happening.

and Richmond & Collingwood.

The Tiges didn't want the points either. Thats why the out of positioning became so obvious. & so it was who would list the management harder.

Don't forget the Hawks trading players out, getting lowly picks, & then trading those outsourced players back in later for a flag tilt. What sort of trade draft tampering was that?

Players whistling dixie are the women scorned of the current afl predicament.

Maybe we were all too open & honest about a draft situation on these boards which led to an honesty uncomfortable by the governing authorities.

Maybe they'd prefer the whole truth was kept like a mushroom.


Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Featured Content

  • PREVIEW: Carlton

    Good evening, Demon fans and welcome back to the Demonland Podcast ... it’s time to discuss this week’s game against the Blues. Will the Demons celebrate Clayton Oliver’s 200th game with a victory? We have a number of callers waiting on line … Leopold Bloom: Carlton and Melbourne are both out of finals contention with six wins and eleven losses, and are undoubtedly the two most underwhelming and disappointing teams of 2025. Both had high expectations at the start of participating and advancing deep into the finals, but instead, they have consistently underperformed and disappointed themselves and their supporters throughout the year. However, I am inclined to give the Demons the benefit of the doubt, as they have made some progress in addressing their issues after a disastrous start. In contrast, the Blues are struggling across the board and do not appear to be making any notable improvements. They are regressing, and a significant loss is looming on Saturday night. Max Gawn in the ruck will be huge and the Demon midfield have a point to prove after lowering their colours in so many close calls.

    • 0 replies
  • REPORT: North Melbourne

    I suppose that I should apologise for the title of this piece, but the temptation to go with it was far too great. The memory of how North Melbourne tore Melbourne apart at the seams earlier in the season and the way in which it set the scene for the club’s demise so early in the piece has been weighing heavily upon all of us. This game was a must-win from the club’s perspective, and the team’s response was overwhelming. The 36 point win over Alastair Clarkson’s Kangaroos at the MCG on Sunday was indeed — roovenge of the highest order!

    • 4 replies
  • CASEY: Werribee

    The Casey Demons remain in contention for a VFL finals berth following a comprehensive 76-point victory over the Werribee Tigers at Whitten Oval last night. The caveat to the performance is that the once mighty Tigers have been raided of many key players and are now a shadow of the premiership-winning team from last season. The team suffered a blow before the game when veteran Tom McDonald was withdrawn for senior duty to cover for Steven May who is ill.  However, after conceding the first goal of the game, Casey was dominant from ten minutes in until the very end and despite some early errors and inaccuracy, they managed to warm to the task of dismantling the Tigers with precision, particularly after half time when the nominally home side provided them with minimal resistance.

    • 0 replies
  • PREGAME: Carlton

    The Demons return to the MCG as the the visiting team on Saturday night to take on the Blues who are under siege after 4 straight losses. Who comes in and who goes out?

    • 222 replies
  • PODCAST: North Melbourne

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 14th July @ 8:00pm. Join Binman & I as we dissect the Dees glorious win over the Kangaroos at the MCG.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

    • 29 replies
  • POSTGAME: North Melbourne

    The Demons are finally back at the MCG and finally back on the winners list as they continually chipped away at a spirited Kangaroos side eventually breaking their backs and opening the floodgates to run out winners by 6 goals.

      • Like
    • 253 replies