in comparison to the other skills of the game, goalkicking is one of the easiest to fix. by training with the other forwards, as well as coaching from leigh brown, hogan could easily develop a new routine that would lead to more reliable kicking. if that's the only problem in his game then i don't think we have much to worry about if we pick him up

I don't think it is that easy; it would be great if we could to have a player like Cloke, Riewoldt or Richardson, but they have all suffered from an inability to convert over their careers and it has made them lesser players than Dunstall, Lockett and Carey for example. If it was that easy they would have fixed it.

i guess fix was the wrong word but a definite improvement could be made

When was the last truly reliable spearhead though? Lloyd? Even Franklin can be iffy in front of goal but I'm not going to turn my nose up at him or even Cloke or Riewoldt for that matter. No player is perfect and this guy can clearly hit the scoreboard even if he may have issues with accuracy at times. I want a big pack busting forward though who is ready to go from day one. They don't grow on trees so we have to strike while the irons hot. Otherwise we can sit here debating their merits while they to out and start kicking arse for another team.

I will be extremely disappointed of the club doesn't make a play for this kid and decides to use the pick on Grundy. I would rather have Patton than Kreuzer.

When was the last truly reliable spearhead though? Lloyd? Even Franklin can be iffy in front of goal but I'm not going to turn my nose up at him or even Cloke or Riewoldt for that matter. No player is perfect and this guy can clearly hit the scoreboard even if he may have issues with accuracy at times. I want a big pack busting forward though who is ready to go from day one. They don't grow on trees so we have to strike while the irons hot. Otherwise we can sit here debating their merits while they to out and start kicking arse for another team.

I will be extremely disappointed of the club doesn't make a play for this kid and decides to use the pick on Grundy. I would rather have Patton than Kreuzer.

I would rather have Cotchin then Kreuzer or Patton which is why we should take O'Rourke instead

The thing, well a few things worry me about Hogan. Has he played any senior level football this year? I know he is in his first year at 18's level but Toumpas played in a senior premiership in the SANFL at that age. Is he really that good? question mark on his kicking for one thing and this is not easily fixed. Should we really risk a high draft pick on him? what can we get from this years draft that may be as good or better and a year advanced? Stringer, Toumpas, Macrea, Membrey etc.

beautiful kick of the ball.

Ultimately the club will decide whether he's worth pick 3. If they do, you'll have your answer.

His weakness is kicking for goal, but last weekend he kicked 4 goals straight in a preliminary final. Also, his field kicking is good. So if a player's field kicking is good I'm confident they'll be able to work out a couple of technical issues when it comes to goal kicking.

I wouldn't worry that he hasn't played against men, The men are thankful. I've read varying reports that he's 193 or 194cm and 93 or 97 kilos. Either way it doesn't really matter, as he'll run out in round 1, 2014 as a big agile aggressive unit approaching 100kg and ready to go.

Jack Darling is 19 and just kicked 50 goals. Jeremy Cameron is 18 and just kicked 30 in the worst team in the AFL. Hogan will be 19 and ready to go. If he's a star CHF at 21 you won't give a rat's toss bag that he didn't play in 2013.

I would rather have Cotchin then Kreuzer or Patton which is why we should take O'Rourke instead

If Viney is in the second round you'll be able to have both.

Ultimately the club will decide whether he's worth pick 3. If they do, you'll have your answer.

His weakness is kicking for goal, but last weekend he kicked 4 goals straight in a preliminary final. Also, his field kicking is good. So if a player's field kicking is good I'm confident they'll be able to work out a couple of technical issues when it comes to goal kicking.

I wouldn't worry that he hasn't played against men, The men are thankful. I've read varying reports that he's 193 or 194cm and 93 or 97 kilos. Either way it doesn't really matter, as he'll run out in round 1, 2014 as a big agile aggressive unit approaching 100kg and ready to go.

Jack Darling is 19 and just kicked 50 goals. Jeremy Cameron is 18 and just kicked 30 in the worst team in the AFL. Hogan will be 19 and ready to go. If he's a star CHF at 21 you won't give a rat's toss bag that he didn't play in 2013.

You are right there Ben, interesting month or so ahead for us.

You are right there Ben, interesting month or so ahead for us.

The other thing to remember, is that the club will only bid pick 3 for Hogan if they believe he's going to be an out and out gun. A star. They won't do it if they think he'll be Tippett good, but because they think he'll be Jono Brown at his peak good, or Riewoldt good.

And for that type of player waiting a year is nothing.

The other thing to remember, is that the club will only bid pick 3 for Hogan if they believe he's going to be an out and out gun. A star. They won't do it if they think he'll be Tippett good, but because they think he'll be Jono Brown at his peak good, or Riewoldt good.

And for that type of player waiting a year is nothing.

Well worth it.

lets just hope that this 18 month pre-season doesn't turn into a 30 month preseason

in comparison to the other skills of the game, goalkicking is one of the easiest to fix. by training with the other forwards, as well as coaching from leigh brown, hogan could easily develop a new routine that would lead to more reliable kicking. if that's the only problem in his game then i don't think we have much to worry about if we pick him up

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Papers now saying GC keen on Jack Martin and won't give pick 2 for Tippett. If true it would seem they are unlikely to bid for JV. GWS can still do a deal for Hogan with us and then JV slips to 23. Here's hoping.

Papers now saying GC keen on Jack Martin and won't give pick 2 for Tippett. If true it would seem they are unlikely to bid for JV. GWS can still do a deal for Hogan with us and then JV slips to 23. Here's hoping.

Not only that, but could give us Toumpas at 4

Not only that, but could give us Toumpas at 4

Toumpas and Hogan at #3 #4 would be perfect

Not only that, but could give us Toumpas at 4

Is that assuming GWS take Grundy at #2? Because otherwise there's no reason they wouldn't take Whitfield & Toumpas.

Is that assuming GWS take Grundy at #2? Because otherwise there's no reason they wouldn't take Whitfield & Toumpas.

The fact that they need more in the ruck division is a pretty good reason....

Especially if they lose Giles which seems likely.

Is that assuming GWS take Grundy at #2? Because otherwise there's no reason they wouldn't take Whitfield & Toumpas.

Yes - I also said 'could' not 'would'

The fact that they need more in the ruck division is a pretty good reason....

Especially if they lose Giles which seems likely.

They won't lose Giles. If a bloke who is small and didn't get a Brownlow vote is worth $1.2million a year, a 7 vote Ruckman who is the only big bodied one at the club, is worth his price of $300k. Of course the problem could be that the small guy has used up all the salary cap room. What a pity if true.

The Draft Combine had Jesse weighing in at 97.4 kilos. He also has a hand span of 24.8 centimetres, which is 0.3 less than ruckman Brodie Grundy.

The Draft Combine had Jesse weighing in at 97.4 kilos. He also has a hand span of 24.8 centimetres, which is 0.3 less than ruckman Brodie Grundy.

He'd make a good boxer with that reach, for a big solid lad.

Thats Les Darcy like reach!

The Draft Combine had Jesse weighing in at 97.4 kilos. He also has a hand span of 24.8 centimetres, which is 0.3 less than ruckman Brodie Grundy.

struth....that is one big kid!!!

Above is a picture of Hogan Vs Grundy.

He'd make a good boxer with that reach, for a big solid lad.

Thats Les Darcy like reach!

What? 24cm and HAND span are not good nor have FA to do with a boxers reach.

What? 24cm and HAND span are not good nor have FA to do with a boxers reach.

Thought it was a wing span chief.

Thought it was a wing span chief.

So you thought 24.8 cm was the wingspan of a grown man, let alone a KP footballer, and also thought that'd be a great reach for a boxer?

Edited October 6, 201213 yr by Demonland