Sack Brian Royal!

[rjay 24,182]

In other threads, most posters seem to want Cameron Ling taking he midfield. Either him or bring back Ratts.

Is Brett Lovett solely at Casey, or does he play a role directly for the MFC as well?

Brett Lovett is a part time coach at Casey but one with a really good record in the VFL. Normally I would prefer us to have a full time coach in his position but he brings a lot to the table not the least the respect he seems to get from his players. I'm also a bit biased because he was one of my favourite players, a great reader of the ball and played a big part in our rise in the late 80's.

Would love someone like Ling at the club, who wouldn't? because he has tagged or played with all of the modern great midfielders he knows the tricks that each use. If you get a great midfielder as coach in most cases he would know his tricks but may not be as aware of the others at least in the detail that someone like Ling is.

[Chook 14,647]

We should throw a small fortune at Cameron Ling.

[Nasher 33,246]

I think we should sack Leigh Brown. Goals are what win games and forwards kick goals. We haven't kicked many goals so it must be Brown's fault. Also, sack Jade Rawlings because it's the defenders jobs to stop goals, and the opposition are kicking a lot goals, so it must be Rawlings fault. Yes, sack all the line coaches, and next year if we're no good again, sack all the new line coaches, and do this again every year until we somehow magically find the right combination that lifts us in to the top 4. What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

[Chook 14,647]

I think we should sack Leigh Brown. Goals are what win games and forwards kick goals. We haven't kicked many goals so it must be Brown's fault. Also, sack Jade Rawlings because it's the defenders jobs to stop goals, and the opposition are kicking a lot goals, so it must be Rawlings fault. Yes, sack all the line coaches, and next year if we're no good again, sack all the new line coaches, and do this again every year until we somehow magically find the right combination that lifts us in to the top 4. What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

So you're saying that won't work? I'm confused.

But seriously, forwards kick goals because mids kick the ball to them. Therefore, if our forwards aren't kicking goals and our backs aren't stopping goals, it's really because our midfield sucks.

If one student fails, the student is at fault. If every student fails, the teacher is at fault.

[Stigga 25]

I think we should sack Leigh Brown. Goals are what win games and forwards kick goals. We haven't kicked many goals so it must be Brown's fault. Also, sack Jade Rawlings because it's the defenders jobs to stop goals, and the opposition are kicking a lot goals, so it must be Rawlings fault. Yes, sack all the line coaches, and next year if we're no good again, sack all the new line coaches, and do this again every year until we somehow magically find the right combination that lifts us in to the top 4. What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

Nash don't bother, you'll give yourself a hernia.

Edited August 27, 2012 by Stigga

[nutbean 8,837]

Based on the fact Neeld shaped and coached a premiership midfield at Collingwood. Granted that it was with pretty handy players, he still delivered the message to those players to execute a game plan.

Comms are breaking down somewhere...

ummm I think you may have inadvertently given yourself the answer in your first sentence. Neeld shaped a premiership midfield at Collingwood with "handy players" and then comes to Melbourne.Instead of asking yourself "is the absense of handy players hindering our success" you go with communications must be breaking down.

[McQueen 17,864]

There is nop

ummm I think you may have inadvertently given yourself the answer in your first sentence. Neeld shaped a premiership midfield at Collingwood with "handy players" and then comes to Melbourne.Instead of asking yourself "is the absense of handy players hindering our success" you go with communications must be breaking down.

You missed my point.

Our stoppage and clearance work is appalling. No system.

[nutbean 8,837]

There is nop

You missed my point.

Our stoppage and clearance work is appalling. No system.

I've got a Staffy - no matter how much training I give the little bugger, he just refuses to run like a greyhound.

Edited August 28, 2012 by nutbean

[Range Rover 1,935]

I've got a Staffy

You've got a what!?

[nutbean 8,837]

You've got a what!?

oopps- ok I know what your thinking but the football has all but removed that.

Let me rephrase- I have a staffordshire bull terrier

[Diablo Deemon 220]

I was going to agree with getting rid of Royal but then I did some investigating around key midfield statistics

To round 10

(I included median as it is less affected by extreme values)

Contested Possessions differential average/median = -15.7/-9

Inside 50 differential average/median = -20.7/-17.5

Tackles differential average/median = -7.2/-9

Clearances differential average/median = -7.3/-7.5

Round 11 onwards

Contested Possessions differential Average/median = Ave(with GWS,GC) -7.45, Ave (without) -8, Med(with GWS, GC) -13, Med(without) -16

(We have closed the gap in C/P but been consistently worse over the past 11 rounds than the previous 10. I put this down to fatigue through a season)

Inside 50 differential Average/Median = Ave(GWS,GC) -4.45, Ave(Without) -6.5, Med(GWS,GC) 0, Med (without) -5

(both average and median have drastically improved from the first 10 rounds)

tackles differential average/median = Ave(GWS,GC) 6.27, Ave(without) 6.75, med(GWS,GC) 1, med(without) 0.5

(Massive improvement on tackling in both average and median)

Clearance differential average/median = Ave(GWS,GC) -5.9, Ave (without) -6.25, med(GWS,GC) -4, med(without) -6

(not as drastic improvement but it is there in both average and consistency)

so based on stats and facts its probably fair enough if Royal retains his job.

As much as people perceive he is responsible for our midfield woes he should therefore be accountable for the statistical improvement.

based on the facts if you blame Royal for the failure you blame him for the improvement and should accordingly be reappointed.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Diablo Deemon

[nutbean 8,837]

you can't polish a turd

[Diablo Deemon 220]

you can't polish a turd

...but you can roll it in glitter

[Chook 14,647]

you can't polish a turd

But you can make a diamond out of it. All it takes is pressure and time. Edited August 28, 2012 by Chook

[McQueen 17,864]

I've got a Staffy - no matter how much training I give the little bugger, he just refuses to run like a greyhound.

Trade him in.

[Biffen 12,523]

We should throw a small fortune at Cameron Ling.

He already has a big one .

They call him The King of Geelong"

Because he owns half of it.

[rpfc 27,673]

Based on the fact Neeld shaped and coached a premiership midfield at Collingwood. Granted that it was with pretty handy players, he still delivered the message to those players to execute a game plan.

Comms are breaking down somewhere...

Comms?

Talk about shooting the electronic messenger...

We haven't built a Collingwood-like midfield because we don't have Swan, Pendles, Sidebottom, Beams, etc just lying about...

[Its Time for Another 4,058]

Does anyone know when Royal's contract ends. Is it this season or next. From memory he got a 3 yr contract when Wellman walked. This is the end of the second year. Or am I wrong. I hope so.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,606]

Perhaps it's time we gave him the gig as forward line coach next year?

[McQueen 17,864]

Comms?

Talk about shooting the electronic messenger...

We haven't built a Collingwood-like midfield because we don't have Swan, Pendles, Sidebottom, Beams, etc just lying about...

Okay, so Royal could have coached those blokes under direction from Malthouse and it would've led to the same results?

[daisycutter 28,722]

Trade him in.

or sack the coach

[nutbean 8,837]

or sack the coach

Yes...I think thats the answer...

[nutbean 8,837]

But you can make a diamond out of it. All it takes is pressure and time.

I've been pressuring turds since 64' and I am seeing bupka's - not a diamond anywhere to be found

[nutbean 8,837]

...but you can roll it in glitter

and call it Warrick Capper

[nutbean 8,837]

Okay, so Royal could have coached those blokes under direction from Malthouse and it would've led to the same results?

Apparently we got the wrong assistant from Collingwood we should have got Watters - his team has done much better than ours.