POLL: Are you happy for us to take Viney at pick 3?

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

I always felt we could get viney in teh 2nd round but im pretty certain GC will swap their 1st pick for the u17. this gives GWS the first 2 picks. Whitfield and then the possibility of bidding for viney without the risk of losing their 1st round draft pick should we call their bluff. GC will outbid us for Martin(u17) if they want to.

[DemonDan... 77]

I always felt we could get viney in teh 2nd round but im pretty certain GC will swap their 1st pick for the u17. this gives GWS the first 2 picks. Whitfield and then the possibility of bidding for viney without the risk of losing their 1st round draft pick should we call their bluff. GC will outbid us for Martin(u17) if they want to.

Wouldve thought GC will take Grundy..

Besides, we can offer GWS something they need - experience -

Morton, Joel Mac, Petterd, Bate.. take your pick..

Take 2?

[The Chazz 4,077]

I always felt we could get viney in teh 2nd round but im pretty certain GC will swap their 1st pick for the u17. this gives GWS the first 2 picks. Whitfield and then the possibility of bidding for viney without the risk of losing their 1st round draft pick should we call their bluff. GC will outbid us for Martin(u17) if they want to.

GWS wouldn't get that pick until AFTER the F/S bidding process, so when they walk in to that bidding room, they (GWS) will only have pick 1, and the others (GC) will still have pick 2. Unless they organise a special deal before hand, which I'm again doubtful.

And the other thing, why would GC give up Pick 2, to try and pick up a 17 year old who may be rated between 3-6 in a "normal" draft? They gave up pick 4 for O'Meara, with the massive difference being that O'Meara was considered a potential number 1 pick in a standard draft. The fact that they got him a year earlier and for pick 4 was, in their view, a very good outcome.

As has been said many times in the various threads, our first pick, pick 3, is a long way where we expected it to be, especially back when we convinced Viney to commit to us.

[Dr. Mubutu 831]

Wouldve thought GC will take Grundy..

Besides, we can offer GWS something they need - experience -

Morton, Joel Mac, Petterd, Bate.. take your pick..

Take 2?

GC don't need Grundy. GWS do.

How many games has Josh Fraser played this year as compared to Dean Brogan?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see GC swap pick 2 to GWS for Martin, given the Suns have Jaeger O'Meara to come on to their list next year, and they have to get rid of 2(?) plus the usual three players from their list.

In saying that, it may be a game of 'who blinks first' between MFC and GWS, as Whitfield + Grundy is a combination that will have the management at GWS requiring a change of pants.

[Ouch! 2,258]

A lot of people seem to think that GC will go around again in the mini-draft. I am not totally convinced that they will, There would be a fair amount of pressure on Guy McKenna to get some results in this third year, so deferring a quality player by on trading pick 2 seems a little unlikely to me. (Also need to bear in mind they need to reduce the numbers on their list further too.)

Also I wonder if GWS might use a slightly different approach themselves with regards to the mini draft and perhaps look at trying to getting a package with a mature player in from another club in return for a pick in the mini draft. I am not sure if they will try the same tactic they did this year with Junior, Power and Brogan....

Anyway, just a thought I had...

Edited August 16, 2012 by Oucher

[The Chazz 4,077]

A lot of people seem to think that GC will go around again in the mini-draft. I am not totally convinced that they will, There would be a fair amount of pressure on Guy McKenna to get some results in this third year, so deferring a quality player by on trading pick 2 seems a little unlikely to me. (Also need to bear in mind they need to reduce the numbers on their list further too.)

Also I wonder if GWS might use a slightly different approach themselves with regards to the mini draft and perhaps look at trying to getting a package with a mature player in from another club in return for a pick in the mini draft. I am not sure if they will try the same tactic they did this year with Junior, Power and Brogan....

Anyway, just a thought I had...

That's exactly right Oucher.

Gold Coast have Pick 2 this year, could get Toumpas. Next year, you would expect them to finish at best in the bottom 4, let's just say they finish 15th, they get Pick 3, which they will be able to use to pick up one of the 17 year olds that wasn't picked up in this year's mini-draft (keeping in mind only 2 will get picked up), or better still (for them), the true Number 3 pick!

Makes no sense whatsoever for the GC to use Pick 2 on a mini-draft selection.

[Ouch! 2,258]

That's exactly right Oucher.

Gold Coast have Pick 2 this year, could get Toumpas. Next year, you would expect them to finish at best in the bottom 4, let's just say they finish 15th, they get Pick 3, which they will be able to use to pick up one of the 17 year olds that wasn't picked up in this year's mini-draft (keeping in mind only 2 will get picked up), or better still (for them), the true Number 3 pick!

Makes no sense whatsoever for the GC to use Pick 2 on a mini-draft selection.

That and they used a lesser pick in a weakened draft to secure "potentially' a better player in O'Meara last year.

[olisik 4,060]

I think Bullies will go for a MD with one of there picks (5 or 6)

Hopefully they dont include a 'You need to bid on Viney' clause...

[daisycutter 29,604]

I think Bullies will go for a MD with one of there picks (5 or 6)

Hopefully they dont include a 'You need to bid on Viney' clause...

you keep forgetting...........FS draft is before MD

[Ouch! 2,258]

Actually think you could see some of the higher placed clubs trade a player and a lesser pick and for it to be seen as more valuable in the eyes of GWS this time round.

Bullies isn't a ridiculous notion either Olisik. Can see that occuring as well.

[daisycutter 29,604]

#23- Rapt

#3 - Pizzed Off

no middle ground

[olisik 4,060]

#23- Rapt

#3 - Pizzed Off

no middle ground

How about in 2 years with pick #1

[daisycutter 29,604]

How about in 2 years with pick #1

double pizzed

sick of waiting....want it NOW

[Paul Gardner 6]

No, I want Toumpas, Grundy or O'Rourke with our top 2 picks ahead of Viney.

[What 18,810]

No, I want Toumpas, Grundy or O'Rourke with our top 2 picks ahead of Viney.

Would take VIney ahead of all of them.

Viney is an animal that will impact every contest he is at and will have the oppositon living in fear. He will rarely lose a contest and would die for his team mates. To top it off he has very good footskills and is a born leader.

Hes the kind of player the MFC have not had for 15+ years. Reminds me of a mix between Sam Mitchell,/Joel Selwood mixed with the power and aggresson of Byron Pickett/Karmicheal Hunt.

Absolute no brainer at pick 3, but heres hoping we can get him in the 2nd round. What a steal that would be.

[Guest King Cuthbertson]

Only if GWS or GC rate him as a 'genuine' top 2 selection. Under the current rules they're within their rights to bid for him, and land him with pick 1 or 2 if we don't come to the table..

The general impression i'm getting, is that GWS and GC do not rate him at the position, but are determined to push us to spend our first pick, because they rate him top 10, and us as a club....as long term rivals.

It's utterly stupid, and I hope we stick to our guns and only spend what we think he's worth. If there\'s a higher rated player available....then take him.

I'm sick of seeing this club pushed around.

Edited August 31, 2012 by King Cuthbertson

[rpfc 28,263]

I'm sick of seeing this club pushed around.

You and me both.

But being made to slightly overpay for a talent like Viney doesn't make me feel pushed around.

For a short kid, he will make me walk taller as an MFC supporter from 2013 onwards.

[7-UP 107]

out of topic how did those topics from 2007 came back?

[rpfc 28,263]

out of topic how did those topics from 2007 came back?

Two things:

1. A vote in a poll, 'bumps' the poll.

2. Idiots.

[jimmy sandral 6]

I've seen and read enough about Jack Viney these past twelve months to know that he is exactly the type of player and young man that we need.

We know what he can do on the football field. We know he is hard at it and takes no prisoners.

We know exactly what we are going to get which is not what has happened in past years when we hoped we knew what we were getting.

How many of our early draft selections in the past five or six years have lived up to the expectations we had for them?

I'd hate to see us pick up another player who ends up not performing to our level of expectation and then get doubly shafted by seeing Jack Viney perform wonders at another club.

We must use our first pick on him if this is what is required to get him.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,593]

These threads tend to annoy me because people keep getting the basics wrong.

We cant use PICK 4 on a father son because its a compo pick for Scully. Ive probably posted that about nine times now. So its either pick 3 or its second round for Viney.

We WILL take Viney at pick 3 if we have to! I know this for a fact. We WILL take VIney because he is a manchild that is ready to play now, because we have invested time in him and because - unlike all the other top players in the draft - he is emotionally and genetically invested in the club already.

This is a young bloke who has never played an AFL game but who loves the club and is carving it up in the VFL with more disposals than most of the AFL players current languishing them. He is ready to play like Daniel Rich was.

But we DONT WANT to use pick 3 on Viney unless we have to so we are trying to bluff. We are also very interested in Toumpas. Toumpas

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,593]

Toumpas and Grundy look good but unlike the other players in the top rounds Viney has already played against players of AFL standard and he has played solidly at that level. At Casey he looks better than Scully does now.

If we lost Viney (which I know wont happen) for some potential first rounder who fails we will be the laughing stock of the AFL.

Gold Coast wont bid for Viney and Bluey recently said that more draft picks wont help his club - he wants seasoned and experienced players. GWS is the only problem with their pick 1 but if hypothetically some sort of deal could be made (although officially no go - but in a way GWS nominating Viney is a type of draft tampering) we could walk out with Toumpas at pick 3, Grundy or O'Rourke as our first compo at pick 4 and then trade our other compo with Stef Martin to GC for Caddy and use our second round to pick up Viney. best case scenario, but I would shed zero tears if we have to use pick 3 on Viney because he is ahead of most in the draft.

Notice how MFC have been barely mentioning Viney's stats at Casey? Trying to keep it quiet trust me.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

This all a head game that the media have made.

GWS and GC probably aren't either thinking of wasting there first draft picks on nominating Viney.

Both teams have a heap of good young midfielders already at there clubs, why would they want another one for?

All I've heard is a question asked to these coaches "would consider picking up Jack before Melbourne in the draft"?

Well of course there going to say yes, they would considering picking another 20 other players in the draft also.

Keven Shidiey loves stirring the pot so would either listen to what comes out of his mouth half the time, he probably wouldn't either know who there looking at picking in the draft this year.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Don't forget about Danaher who will be going to essendon under the faster and son rule who is meant to be better then Viney and is a top 3 pick Contender.

Why aren't these team considering nominating him for there first pick?

[Hannibal 5,814]

This poll is as useful as a dick with a knot in it.

We will take Viney, wherever we have to, and he is exactly what we need, whether some of you flogs realise it, or not.