I can understand those who think we need to win every game we can, but at the moment the only thing making me want us to win tomorrow is that my multi is still alive.

either way, I'm not that fussed if we finish last, second or third last. either way it has been a season from hell and wont make much difference.

Whitfield, Grundy, Stringer/Kennedy and Viney sounds ok to me as a compensation for the spoon.

Ok so lets just lie down belly up and watch the sponsors run to our aid....

Now it's sponsors... Aren't they signed on for a few years? Oh [censored], I forgot about the 0 dollar bonus they give us if we beat Gold Coast.

Members, kids, free agents, sponsors, rugby converts, boat people, Ewoks... no one will love us if we win that spoon.

So do you get an actual spoon or not? This is ruining my afternoon.

I think tpm will donate a pair of thai fisherman pants to the club if we finish last

get the whole team to autograph and make a motza on ebay

Its Einstein,,Mr Gump.

I could explain it again and again and you would never understand. Rover has already highlighted it but like most simple issues it passes along the highway over your head.

Yeah right. That says so much Rhino.

You are a twisted little man and you enjoy it.

Range and i are not that far apart and what you think doesn't bother me at all.

Some paranoia here?

Do you really think that Sheedy spends all his waking/working time worrying about the MFC?

no, just his wanking time

Now it's sponsors... Aren't they signed on for a few years? Oh [censored], I forgot about the 0 dollar bonus they give us if we beat Gold Coast.

Members, kids, free agents, sponsors, rugby converts, boat people, Ewoks... no one will love us if we win that spoon.

It all helps Dee, i don't find it funny as you do. The sponsors we got this year were a gift and we were very lucky.

Don't push it.

I think tpm will donate a pair of thai fisherman pants to the club if we finish last

get the whole team to autograph and make a motza on ebay

I laughed.

But I must disagree, Thaipantsman is all about winning, I doubt the spoon is worthy of fishing pants. Maybe some rotten bait.

I'm going to change my tip in that thread to Gold Coast by 1 billion points, just to [censored] off WYL.

Yeah right. That says so much Rhino.

You are a twisted little man and you enjoy it.

Range and i are not that far apart and what you think doesn't bother me at all.

It does bother you. You always take the bait....and you enjoy.

And please dont infer your sad disposition on others. Fools no one.

Range and you are opposed on this. And it would be a worry for Range for you werent that far apart. But on his bad days.

The sponsors we got this year were a gift and we were very lucky.

When you dont understand WYL, melodrama does not hide it.

Its a good point about sponsors. They are a gift, we were lucky and a short term gift at that. You really have had too much sun if you think some cheap irrelevant wins against fellow crap teams somehow glosses a year where the MFC represented something you would be quick to flush away.

I trust the sponsors as part of the gift actually buy the polyester MFC jumpers you speak of.

I laughed.

But I must disagree, Thaipantsman is all about winning, I doubt the spoon is worthy of fishing pants. Maybe some rotten bait.

I'm going to change my tip in that thread to Gold Coast by 1 billion points, just to [censored] off WYL.

you mean winning the wooden spoon isn't "winning"? well blow me down with a feather.

It's time you two agree to disagree and have a footy discussion without abuse at each other.

I can't believe that we should, in anyway or for any purpose, accept defeat. We have been down that track before. It maybe that a win over the expansion clubs doesn't count for much but it's a hell of a lot better than a loss. Strong clubs play their guts out to win every time, regardless of who is on the paddock. We must build a culture of strength. Talking defeat, thinking defeat, not caring about defeat just enhances the poor culture we have.

We as members must demand and expect 100%.

I'm astounded that there are still fans who want to see us lose games after witnessing what that mentality has done to this club. It actually amazes me.

I can't believe that we should, in anyway or for any purpose, accept defeat. We have been down that track before. It maybe that a win over the expansion clubs doesn't count for much but it's a hell of a lot better than a loss. Strong clubs play their guts out to win every time, regardless of who is on the paddock. We must build a culture of strength. Talking defeat, thinking defeat, not caring about defeat just enhances the poor culture we have.

We as members must demand and expect 100%.

Thankyou. At least some people realize what this club should be doing.

Great, so when so many people like myself take their kids to the footy tomorrow and we roll over again I then have to plead with my own children to stick with the club. Even my kids ask why should I barrack for a team that always loses? I couldn't care less about top draft picks I care about winning.

We won't win too many games in the next decade with our current midfield. Your kids won't ever support this current midfield in ten years time. I know it's failed before, but this draft is paramount and receiving pole position will more than likely set us up for the next decade or more.

One of my professions is sports coaching. I was coaching yesterday at a school who had their footy jumper day. We had a group of 22 kids. Not one of them was Melbourne. This is an affluent school too. That trend will continue unless we draft quality mids, like we've never seen in my twenty-five year life. I know it seems hopeless now, but it's really not as bad as it may seem. Fix the midfield over the next year or so, acquire another tall forward to help out Clark and we're well on our way.

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We won't win too many games in the next decade with our current midfield. Your kids won't ever support this current midfield in ten years time. I know it's failed before, but this draft is paramount and receiving pole position will more than likely set us up for the next decade or more.

One of my professions is sports coaching. I was coaching yesterday at a school who had their footy jumper day. We had a group of 22 kids. Not one of them was Melbourne. This is an affluent school too. That trend will continue unless we draft quality mids, like we've never seen in my twenty-five year life. I know it seems hopeless now, but it's really not as bad as it may seem. Fix the midfield over the next year or so, acquire another tall forward to help out Clark and we're well on our way.

Point taken. But we will get good high picks anyway, even if we do win some games this year.

Point taken. But we will get good high picks anyway, even if we do win some games this year.

I understand where you're coming from WYL, but the higher the draft pick, the less likely you are to stuff it up.

We won't win too many games in the next decade with our current midfield. Your kids won't ever support this current midfield in ten years time. I know it's failed before, but this draft is paramount and receiving pole position will more than likely set us up for the next decade or more.

One of my professions is sports coaching. I was coaching yesterday at a school who had their footy jumper day. We had a group of 22 kids. Not one of them was Melbourne. This is an affluent school too. That trend will continue unless we draft quality mids, like we've never seen in my twenty-five year life. I know it seems hopeless now, but it's really not as bad as it may seem. Fix the midfield over the next year or so, acquire another tall forward to help out Clark and we're well on our way.

So in your "professional" capacity, do you coach teams to win, or do you take the badminton approach and deliberately knock a few into the net to gain some supposed advantage?

We won't win too many games in the next decade with our current midfield. Your kids won't ever support this current midfield in ten years time. I know it's failed before, but this draft is paramount and receiving pole position will more than likely set us up for the next decade or more.

One of my professions is sports coaching. I was coaching yesterday at a school who had their footy jumper day. We had a group of 22 kids. Not one of them was Melbourne. This is an affluent school too. That trend will continue unless we draft quality mids, like we've never seen in my twenty-five year life. I know it seems hopeless now, but it's really not as bad as it may seem. Fix the midfield over the next year or so, acquire another tall forward to help out Clark and we're well on our way.

You're right - we must pick correctly, but we must shift heaven and earth to get Cloke.

Marketing, respect, strategy, support, (the right) publicity, coupled with Viney and a big year from Mitch and we're on the way.

I understand where you're coming from WYL, but the higher the draft pick, the less likely you are to stuff it up.

Just like last time hey. We have stuffed many a high draft pick already and the players we already have get sacrificed.

So in your "professional" capacity, do you coach teams to win, or do you take the badminton approach and deliberately knock a few into the net to gain some supposed advantage?

If I was on contract to for three years and my team wasn't up to it, I'd experiment and see what my cattle could do. If one or two of them prove to be highly efficient in a position, then there'd be less need to look elsewhere. If you simply don't have the cattle you could into damage mode. This involves attempting to limit damage.

And as for the "badminton approach", no. The argument has never been that the players are tanking. It's that the coaches or admins are. I truly believe we've been so ordinary this year, because a) we're not up to it B) our fitness is not up to standard and c) injuries have taken their toll.

You're right - we must pick correctly, but we must shift heaven and earth to get Cloke.

Marketing, respect, strategy, support, (the right) publicity, coupled with Viney and a big year from Mitch and we're on the way.

Agree in some respect. But we need a midfield otherwise Cloke will be both redundant and ordinary. That said, we have shown in numerous games (particularly in the second half of the season) that we are capable of creating inside 50s, but have lacked a target.

If I was on contract to for three years and my team wasn't up to it, I'd experiment and see what my cattle could do. If one or two of them prove to be highly efficient in a position, then there'd be less need to look elsewhere. If you simply don't have the cattle you could into damage mode. This involves attempting to limit damage.

And as for the "badminton approach", no. The argument has never been that the players are tanking. It's that the coaches or admins are. I truly believe we've been so ordinary this year, because a) we're not up to it B) our fitness is not up to standard and c) injuries have taken their toll.

So should Melbourne go flat out to win every remaining game or not?

I understand where you're coming from WYL, but the higher the draft pick, the less likely you are to stuff it up.

Jesus Christ.

That's worked wonders for us thus far hasn't it?

I'm more worried about our developing of players than our drafting.