Josh Caddy

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

Not fully sure of f/s picks , trading etc, but where do the bombers stand if they trade their first pick for Caddy does that allow them to take Danniher with their second round pick

[jurrahcane 70]

Swap pick 13 for Josh Caddy. 2 years development and will be very very good.

[mdemonski2 403]

I like getting caDdy with 13. Throw in pettard as well if they want him (a gc boy who we will likely delist anyway). And get gc to agrEe not to nominate viney with pick 2.

Gws tanking to get whitfield at 1 anyway.

Happy with 3, 4, caddy and viney.

[rjay 24,046]

Not fully sure of f/s picks , trading etc, but where do the bombers stand if they trade their first pick for Caddy does that allow them to take Danniher with their second round pick

F/S is done before trade period Pennant, pretty sure another club will bid for Danniher, maybe even us so they will be forced to use their first round pick.

We are in the box position for Caddy if we want him.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Just how good is Caddy?

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

F/S is done before trade period Pennant, pretty sure another club will bid for Danniher, maybe even us so they will be forced to use their first round pick.

We are in the box position for Caddy if we want him.

Cheers for that wasn't certain how it worked

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Just how good is Caddy?

Thats the question.....that i dont think many people know

[The heart beats true 16,485]

Just how good is Caddy?

He looks a player to me. A mix of in and outside. I think he's at a perfect age for us to develop him with out new midfield. I do think he's 3-5 years off his best which is great if he gets there but he needs someone to show him the way. We really need an experienced midfielder that lifts the workload from day one. If we can get someone like that (Boak) and then Caddy and Viney I'm very happy. If it's 3 more young blokes I still have concerns that they don't have enough on field leaders in the middle.

[mdemonski2 403]

He is well worth 13 in my view (especially as it allows us viney in round 2).

Good point re an onfield midfield leader. I think jonesy would be just as good as boak in that respect. Grimes and trenners another year under the belt.

I reckon we are ok but would be ok if we decided on an older free agent for a couple of years eg: a chappy to bring some outside expereince froma successful club into the mix.

[az_tec 41]

gold coast dont want pettard...... they could use him but dont want him they have to delist players to reduce their playing list

josh frasier we be retiring next year they need a ruckman or ruck/forward to help dixon and day

spencer is from qld and would be a great back up but does not have much value and is only a consolation pize for them

the only player they will do a deal for caddy is stef martin

but its is over weighted cause stef is a gun but gc will be very happy and it will be the only way to get them not to bid on viney

but how to stop kevin .......

[jurrahcane 70]

Ouch, I did not know that we cannot trade the "Compensation picks". Is that right??

Here is a good bio on Josh Caddy to date (online search)

Josh Caddy is one of the rising Suns in the AFL and will be one of the hottest properties going during trade month (formerly trade week) if he requests a trade home to Victoria as he did last year. Having captained the Northern Knights in the TAC Cup, Caddy was drafted by Gold Coast at pick 7 in the AFL draft of 2010. He is still in the early stages of development but is already regarded as one of Gold Coast’s most valuable players going forward.

In 2011, the Suns’ inaugural season, Caddy struggled with a navicular bone injury and only managed to play the last two games of the season – the first against Melbourne where got ten disposals in a thirty point loss, and the second against Hawthorn where he garnered sixteen disposals and kicked two goals in a nine point loss. With the Suns not making the finals, Caddy returned home to Victoria to visit his father who was suffering from a heart condition, and informed the Suns’ management that he wished to be traded to Essendon after just one year up north. The Bombers offered pick 19 and a player (reported to have been Cale Hooker) for Caddy hoping that Gold Coast would accept their offer on the grounds of compassion, but the Dons instead saw the Suns emphatically knock their offer back. Several other Victorian clubs were interested in recruiting Caddy, but the midfielder refused to talk to any other club. This led to many questioning how serious Caddy really was to return home to look after his dad if the only club he was willing to talk to was Essendon, and by the end of trade week, no trade occurred and the man who likens himself to Dustin Martin was stuck with the Suns for another year.

After an impressive pre-season and solid NAB Cup, Caddy was named in the starting line-up for the Suns in round 1 and has played every game so far this season. The hard in-and-under midfielder has been used in as a rover by the Suns, and the 19 year old has begun to display the skills he showed when finishing first in the clean hands challenge at the 2010 draft camp. He can also take a good contested mark and is not afraid to take the game on. In round 2 against St Kilda he finished with eight tackles, whilst in round 4 against the Bombers, he kicked a 60 metre goal on the run in a match the Suns nearly won. He can find the ball, as seen by his 27 disposals against the Bulldogs in round 8, although is not being utilised by the Suns as the type of player who accumulates numerous uncontested possessions. Against Geelong in round 15 he pushed forward more and kicked three goals in a fourteen point loss. Despite having played sixteen matches, Caddy is yet to have played in a winning side.

In keeping with the rules the AFL established for them, Gold Coast must have reduced their senior playing list from 46 players to 42 by the third and final list lodgement this year on November 29. On top of the four players they already have to cut to reduce their numbers at the end of this season, the Suns have to cut at least another three players to be allowed to participate in the 2012 NAB AFL Draft, and another player to allow for the pre-listed Jaeger O’Meara to move on to the senior list. If they wish to upgrade any of their four rookies then even more players must be cut. If the Suns wanted to trade to bring anyone to Metricon Stadium or have more than three picks in the draft, further cuts would be required. As it currently sits the Suns have 27 players contracted beyond this season including Ablett, Rischitelli, Bennell and Swallow. Despite looking to clear room, the Suns are still very much desperate to retain Caddy, although must realise that he could walk for nothing in the pre-season draft if he wanted (Caddy has not played enough football to be a free agent). This could also backfire on Caddy as it is almost certain that Gold Coast and GWS will have pre-season picks earlier than Essendon or any other Victorian club.

Not long after his trade to Essendon collapsed, Caddy told the Gold Coast media that he could see himself being with the Suns forever, but as we know from previous situations with certain 20 year olds that front the media, what a player says and what a player does can be two very different things. With the Suns and Bombers unable to strike a deal last year with pick 19 and a player on the table, the chances of them working out a deal this year are even slimmer as the Bombers’ first round pick is being used under the father-son rule to acquire Joe Daniher. This means that the Bombers will either have to offer one of their top 10 players, or both of the clubs have to use a third club to do a three-way trade. Due to how many players the Suns have to delist they are not keen on a player exchange. It is believed that the Suns are most keen on regaining some of the compensation picks should they be forced to give up Caddy, but are content with early draft picks.

With a deal between Essendon and Gold Coast looking unlikely, Caddy may have to open up his options and allow other Victorian clubs to approach him if he really is desperate to be home with his father. Geelong is known to be looking for a young hard at it midfielder as they prepare for when their ageing midfielders retire, and although Travis Boak is their first priority, should he not leave Alberton the Cats may well try and target Caddy. Geelong remains the only Victorian club to hold a compensation pick, which puts them in the best position in terms of negotiating with the Suns. The Demons are another club also looking for skilled midfielders and have money to splash to try and lure Caddy to AAMI Park, although there is some doubt as to whether the Demons can offer anything to the Gold Coast in return for Caddy as they have already activated both of their compensation picks for this season and once they are activated they cannot be traded. The Demons first pick (most likely pick 3) may also be end up being used to acquire father-son recruit Jack Viney, although the Demons are hopeful that GWS and Gold Coast won’t bid the first or second pick in the draft for him just to force Melbourne to use the third pick in the draft for the youngster. This would then allow the Demons to recruit Viney for a pick in the early 20’s and leave pick 3 available. Even if this did eventuate, it would not help the Demons get Caddy as there is no way the Dees would consider parting with pick 3 for Caddy. The Blues may also have a look at recruiting Caddy as they will be able to free up money if they decide to delist Brock McLean who is commanding a decent salary and was a big flop for Carlton until a few weeks ago. If Lenny Hayes retires at the end of this year, then the Saints may also make a bid for Caddy, although funds are tight at the Junction Oval. Richmond may also take a look at him whilst Kangaroos could also be a suitor to Caddy as his grandfather played for North Melbourne and the Suns player is said to have been a mad Kangaroos fan.

So what will become of the Josh Caddy? An article in The Age a few weeks ago reported that Gold Coast would be willing to trade off one of its young ruckmen (although not Zac Smith) along with Caddy if a club was willing to offer a very good draft pick or an elite player. The Suns are also short of key defenders and would accept a trade that saw them get a decent player in that area. As it currently stands there are no solid key defenders on the market and thus will make it even harder for Caddy to leave. If Caddy does what he did last year and refuse to talk to anyone but Essendon, he will almost certainly find himself stuck at the Suns again. With trade week now going for a month, clubs will have more time to work out a deal but if Gold Coast and Caddy do not shift their stance, this could become very ugly.

[az_tec 41]

oh this is assuming the tippet deal doesnt get through because if they get tippet they dont need another ruck or forward

[rjay 24,046]

gold coast dont want pettard...... they could use him but dont want him they have to delist players to reduce their playing list

josh frasier we be retiring next year they need a ruckman or ruck/forward to help dixon and day

spencer is from qld and would be a great back up but does not have much value and is only a consolation pize for them

the only player they will do a deal for caddy is stef martin

but its is over weighted cause stef is a gun but gc will be very happy and it will be the only way to get them not to bid on viney

but how to stop kevin .......

They have a kid called Smith who will be a top line ruckman, I wouldn't think it's high on their list and if it is they will have first shot at Grundy.

[PeterJames 46]

A mate of mine is a Gold Coast recruiter. not the head guy but more of a scout. He said they are looking to load up on experienced guys again as there first lot failed. Krakour, Brown Brennan etc. So Petterd may be in the mix for them. We are going to offer 13 no doubt, at the Presidents lunch against Gold Coast I'm pretty sure Melbourne invited his family to the day.

[az_tec 41]

and how long you gonna wait for smith yer sur e hes good but his body let him down this year after having such a big impact last year and in the games hes played this year hasnt looked as good

will gorrringe be upto it yet(lead ruck) or would b.grundy a first year be up for that next year should smith go down

sure martin isnt high on their list but k.tippet is or a player of such calibre is...of our options there we dont have many of value

stef martin is the only player to get a legitimate trade for caddy

gc caint afford another s#!% season and have to be serious next year they need another seinor ruck

[Hannibal 5,814]

the Demons can offer anything to the Gold Coast in return for Caddy as they have already activated both of their compensation picks for this season and once they are activated they cannot be traded.

I believe the author is incorrect. Compensation picks can be traded, but must be used by the club they're traded to in the year they're activated.

[old55 21,643]

the only player they will do a deal for caddy is stef martin

I'd trade Martin for Caddy.

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

and how long you gonna wait for smith yer sur e hes good but his body let him down this year after having such a big impact last year and in the games hes played this year hasnt looked as good

will gorrringe be upto it yet(lead ruck) or would b.grundy a first year be up for that next year should smith go down

sure martin isnt high on their list but k.tippet is or a player of such calibre is...of our options there we dont have many of value

stef martin is the only player to get a legitimate trade for caddy

gc caint afford another s#!% season and have to be serious next year they need another seinor ruck

and if Caddy wants out the longer trade week goes they will get pick 13 and a player, Clark came for pick 12 and is far more proven than Caddy.

they can beat their chest all they want if the kid wants to come home than take what is on offer sorry you cant have Martin and really if it takes 2 players who we are going to delist anyway plus pick 13 than do that, but Suns aren't getting Martin

[az_tec 41]

and if Caddy wants out the longer trade week goes they will get pick 13 and a player, Clark came for pick 12 and is far more proven than Caddy.

they can beat their chest all they want if the kid wants to come home than take what is on offer sorry you cant have Martin and really if it takes 2 players who we are going to delist anyway plus pick 13 than do that, but Suns aren't getting Martin

carlton stkilda richmond or the dogs can all beat that offer

[monoccular 16,407]

and how long you gonna wait for smith yer sur e hes good but his body let him down this year after having such a big impact last year and in the games hes played this year hasnt looked as good

will gorrringe be upto it yet(lead ruck) or would b.grundy a first year be up for that next year should smith go down

sure martin isnt high on their list but k.tippet is or a player of such calibre is...of our options there we dont have many of value

stef martin is the only player to get a legitimate trade for caddy

gc caint afford another s#!% season and have to be serious next year they need another seinor ruck

Hi az_tec - if you look carefully at your keyboard, at each end of the bottom line is a key usually labelled either "SHIFT" or marked with an up arrow. This enables small letters to become big ones, like This! It tends to makes sentences easier to read, especially when there are a lot of names aka "proper nouns".

[az_tec 41]

Hi az_tec - if you look carefully at your keyboard, at each end of the bottom line is a key usually labelled either "SHIFT" or marked with an up arrow. This enables small letters to become big ones, like This! It tends to makes sentences easier to read, especially when there are a lot of names aka "proper nouns".

meh.... your dollars at work in the public education system

feel free to re edit

[old55 21,643]

but Suns aren't getting Martin

Martin is surplus IMO. He's hopeless forward. Jamar is #1 ruck and Spencer is his depth. Clark is forward-ruck and that's why we need to solve the extra key forward problem. There's no way Jamar, Martin, Clark and another key forward are all in the 21. Fitz is ahead of Martin forward.

[Redleg 38,045]

I believe the author is incorrect. Compensation picks can be traded, but must be used by the club they're traded to in the year they're activated.

Correct.

[Pennant St Dee 11,481]

Martin is surplus IMO. He's hopeless forward. Jamar is #1 ruck and Spencer is his depth. Clark is forward-ruck and that's why we need to solve the extra key forward problem. There's no way Jamar, Martin, Clark and another key forward are all in the 21. Fitz is ahead of Martin forward.

Not saying he is a must keep just saying Caddy is not worth pick 13 + Martin, Martin has other trade value with Collingwood & Hawthorn looking for other ruck options

[H_T 2,941]

Martin is surplus IMO. He's hopeless forward. Jamar is #1 ruck and Spencer is his depth. Clark is forward-ruck and that's why we need to solve the extra key forward problem. There's no way Jamar, Martin, Clark and another key forward are all in the 21. Fitz is ahead of Martin forward.

Yep agree on surplus. I'd do Martin p13 for Caddy.